7.62x25 Tokarev is obviously a good handgun round...Why isn't it more popular?
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Buck Nekkid
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I sent them an email about it a while ago, never received a response.
woad_yurt
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7.62x25 = 9mm???
Someone above said that 7.62X25 is in the same power class as 9MM. What??!!! Just the sound alone is a tip-off that there is a major power difference. If I go to the range and shoot a 9MM, I just shoot and go home. If I shoot my CZ52, folks always come over and ask "What is that thing? I heard you from all the way over there...." If there's any doubt, buy some Wolf 7.62 hollowpoints and shoot a stack of wet newspapers or a 4X4. Then, do it with 9MMs. The 7.62 does a whole lot more damage. Or, use some FMJs. Again, the 7.62 trounces a 9MM.
Note to Just Jim: All of that for $250 is a great deal; buy it!
Someone above said that 7.62X25 is in the same power class as 9MM. What??!!! Just the sound alone is a tip-off that there is a major power difference. If I go to the range and shoot a 9MM, I just shoot and go home. If I shoot my CZ52, folks always come over and ask "What is that thing? I heard you from all the way over there...." If there's any doubt, buy some Wolf 7.62 hollowpoints and shoot a stack of wet newspapers or a 4X4. Then, do it with 9MMs. The 7.62 does a whole lot more damage. Or, use some FMJs. Again, the 7.62 trounces a 9MM.
Note to Just Jim: All of that for $250 is a great deal; buy it!
Dave Markowitz
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Neat. It's a Tokarev with a fancy finish and ugly grips.
Ash
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The Yugo's and Chinese have done many, many things with the Tokarev design. I've even seen a Tokerev that was built up to look just like a 1911. The only problem is the hammer location - a dead give-away for Tokes.
I think the round has tremendous potential in pistols that could take it. Could one convert a pistol in 38 Super by merely changing out the barrel?
Ash
I think the round has tremendous potential in pistols that could take it. Could one convert a pistol in 38 Super by merely changing out the barrel?
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silverlance
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how does that monster tokarev shoot?
Cosmoline
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I'll buy from commies, but prefer to buy from them after we beat them.
SaMx
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the tokarev is louder because it's operating at higher pressure. The bullet is lighter, so the muzzle energy is similar.
Novus Collectus
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The Wikipedia page is deceptive. It lists the power of the common combloc milsurp which is clocked at about 1350 ft/s. The commercial Sellier and Bellot ammo, some Comloc and supposedly most of the Chinese ammo is at >1500 feet per second (sometimes 1600 or close to it) putting the muzzle energy at in the low to mid 400 foot pounds which is as much or more muzzle energy than the 9mm +P+.
I always found hot 7.62tok ballistics interesting. For example, I bet a m1 carbine "enforcer" cut down version probably produces about the same muzzle velocity as a CZ52 with hot ammo. The enforcer is a much larger gun with a longer barrel.
And I bet my Win 94 in .357mag with hot 125gr loads is about approaching m1 carbine ballistics. Not to bash the m1carbine though, I own and operate one and feel it's adequate with correct ammo.
And I bet my Win 94 in .357mag with hot 125gr loads is about approaching m1 carbine ballistics. Not to bash the m1carbine though, I own and operate one and feel it's adequate with correct ammo.
Does anyone know if those ppsh semi-auto subgun clones are any good? I saw one at a gun show and thought it would be a good gun to get just for playing around.
http://www.militarygunsupply.com/shop2/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=14_15&products_id=133
I guess the only issue would be that for almost the same price, I could get a Thompson SMG clone.
http://www.militarygunsupply.com/shop2/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=14_15&products_id=133
I guess the only issue would be that for almost the same price, I could get a Thompson SMG clone.
rdrancher
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Whoa!
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Lets continue to keep it unpopular, keeps ammo really cheap. The CZ-52 is by far my favorite range pistol. The thing emmits giant fireballs and is loud as hell, plus much cheaper to shoot than a 9mm, and people always want to know what the hell it is.
Illuminaughty
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I want a glock chambered in tok hard.
MCgunner
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What can it do that whatever else available can't? I don't think it's all that necessary and wouldn't be chambered, likely, in a pocket sized gun for CCW, so I wouldn't be interested. I prefer 9mm subcompacts for CCW, neigh on perfect, well, if I go auto.
You can build your own 7.25x25 carbine, I just built one and love it, took a week of evenings playing with the magwell adapter, but I use a Romanian G parts kits, and a ppsh barrel which I sleeve for the trunnion and barrel extension. I like it more than any of the other guns I have right now. Just for your info. centerfire systems has c grade romy g parts kits for $89 right now. Here's what I came up with, I borrowed from other peoples ideas, its not my own. Only problem is you have to work with 50 year old mags and drums and they aren't all reliable, you may need to tweek them. IOINC has 10 mags for $99.
Novus Collectus
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Acmech......cool!!!!!
mnw42
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I ran some Bulgarian surplus through a chronograph a little while back. The outside temp was around 70 and the stuff was running between 1475 and 1620 fps! Now that is some spread!
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