7.62x39 vs 30-30

[sonier]

ive had some screwed up hot rounds winding up in my normal rounds on ACCIDENT it happens, point is mistakes happens and theres no need to further increase these mistakes with even higher pressures.

also i wasnt talkign about 7.62x39 being hot loaded form factory the argument was using bigger bullets in smaller bores.

right there using a bigger bullet in smaller bore......well common sense says not to good of a idea

 

[Eb1]

I can hand load 30-30 150 grain Win PP to near 2400 fps, and shoot 3 touching at 100 yards all day in my Marlin. I don't think a 7.69x39 will get there.

Also I can hand load a 125 grain bullet in my 30-30 to 2520 fps (safely). Please visit data.hodgdon.com. You will see that the 7.62x39 shows max velocity is 100 fps slower than the 30-30 with 125 grain bullets, and near 300 fps slower using a 150 grain bullet.

I don't understand why anyone can say that the x39 trumps the 30-30. It has not, and never will.

You can flame me if you want, but the truth is the truth. The 30-30 is a more versatile and powerful cartridge. There are things you can do with the 30-30 that you could only wish to do with the x39 case.

 

[rbernie]

The 30-30 case has larger capacity than 7.62x39, and you can handload it hotter (in the right guns). I can use spitzers in my single shot 30-30s and get good ballistics.

But the 7.62x39 can come pretty dang close to 30-30 in performance, and do so in a repeater with a box magazine and no fears of rim lock. That's useful.

 

[R.W.Dale]

. There are things you can do with the 30-30 that you could only wish to do with the x39 case.

ok name one

things 7.62x39 does better

shoot sptizer bullets.
shoot $5 a box practice ammo.
partial length size brass (bolt gun)


You 30-30 luddites all try to act as though 30-30 is some kind of hammer of the gods that's only slightly less powerful than 300weatherby. But the fact of the matter is 7.62x39 is the ONLY rifle cartridge 30-30 is even remotely close to in terms of performance, in my opinion the difference betwixt x39 and 30-30 much less than the meaningless difference between 308 and 30-06. I'll also go so far as to say there isn't a critter alive that you could shoot with either cartridge that could tell you the difference.

The 30-30 case has larger capacity than 7.62x39, and you can handload it hotter (in the right guns) read: overpressure loads.

not picking on you, but we need to keep things real here

I can hand load 30-30 150 grain Win PP to near 2400 fps, and shoot 3 touching at 100 yards all day in my Marlin. I don't think a 7.69x39 will get there.

Also I can hand load a 125 grain bullet in my 30-30 to 2520 fps (safely). Please visit data.hodgdon.com. You will see that the 7.62x39 shows max velocity is 100 fps slower than the 30-30 with 125 grain bullets, and near 300 fps slower using a 150 grain bullet.

and yet x39 still hits animals harder at any range beyond 100yds due to the ability to shoot projectiles with a much higher BC

ive had some screwed up hot rounds winding up in my normal rounds on ACCIDENT it happens, point is mistakes happens

I utterly reject this notion in the context of handloading, if you can't pay any more attention than that might I suggest taking up gardening instead......wait power tools.......scratch that. Bird watching yea that's it

 

[Eb1]

for the velocities you are shooting the x39 your spitzer bullets are a moot. You are not gaining anything over a round nose/flat nose. Don't forget there are many more .308 spitzers then .310 sptizers..

You actually loose some whop with those slow moving pointy bullets IMO. Nothing like a nice size meplate to get your point across.. (Pun intended)

$5 per box.. Well that isn't bad for sub-par ammunition. I reload 30-30 for around $8 per box, and that is ammo that is tuned to my gun. So the $3 to $4 you think I am loosing is worth the gain to me.

I am not trying to fuel the fire. I am just relating some real facts. Each to his own, but the number don't lie. Now the platforms are totally different. Again depending if you are comparing the AK platform to a lever action, but not really if you are comparing a single shot x39 to a single shot 30-30.

You seem to have fogotten that the 30-30 comes in more than just a lever gun.

 

[R.W.Dale]

Good god did you forget all the rest of the posts in this topic?

for the velocities you are shooting the x39 your spitzer bullets are a moot. You are not gaining anything over a round nose/flat nose.

so you're saying the two rounds performance is the SAME, more energy is more energy you cannot refute the fact that x39 is the more powerful cartridge out past 100yds/ see post #4

Don't forget there are many more .308 spitzers then .310 sptizers..

Really Sherlock??????

see all of page 1 and my sig links

$5 per box.. Well that isn't bad for sub-par ammunition. I reload 30-30 for around $8 per box, and that is ammo that is tuned to my gun. So the $4 you think I am loosing is worth the gain to me.

Yes: Because I can partake of both aspects of cheap ammo and high quality handloads, you only have one of these options

but not really if you are comparing a single shot x39 to a single shot 30-30.

You couldn't give me a another crappy "lightning" break action single shot, doubly so already owning a quality bolt action and ar15 in 7.62x39mm.. I've owned TC encores, handi rifles, and russian remington break action single shots and thy all have one thing in common, they never strike in the same place twice. Besides they make these guns in 308 so why bother with 30-30?

There are things you can do with the 30-30 that you could only wish to do with the x39 case.

Still waiting for you to name one

 

[R.W.Dale]

I can hand load 30-30 150 grain Win PP to near 2400 fps, and shoot 3 touching at 100 yards all day in my Marlin. I don't think a 7.69x39 will get there.

lets compare your pet 30-30 load to my pet 125 grn x39 load shall we

150 grn winchester power point @2390fps
100yd energy 1357ft lbs
200yd energy 946ft lbs
drop to 200yds from a 100yd zero 7.14"

125 grn Nosler ballistic tip at 2400
100yd energy 1311ft lbs
200yd energy 1067ft lbs
drop to 200yds from a 100yd zero 5.90

not much difference at all is there other than higher the BC lets me shoot a lighter bullet and still match and or exceed your loads performance depending on range. In short BC matters a lot

 

[Eb1]

Here is your one.
You can have a beautiful American made Lever Action in 30-30. That is all that needs to be said.

 

[R.W.Dale]

Both my bolt action and my ar15 are made in the good ol USA as is the ruger mini 30.

So try again and name one thing

 

[JohnMc]

Plus, the run of Ruger Mk II's in 7.62x39 were made in the US

Nice pic of one here: link

 

[R.W.Dale]

Plus, the run of Ruger Mk II's in 7.62x39 were made in the US

Nice pic of one here: link

I've seen that pic before. You a member over on accuratereloading?

 

[KenWP]

I have shot a 303 useing 308 bullets and the weird gasses that come out the end of the barrel are very visible. I tried to expalin the difference between bullets to the two guys who owned the gun and it was like impossible. But we are talking about people who cleaned brass with a wire wheel on a bench grinder also.

 

[Art Eatman]

There's just way too much never-never-land stuff and pickin' fly-poop out of pepper for this thread to go anywhere useful...