7.52x39 VS black bear

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Probably not eating little dogs either.:)
As said: Unsecured trash, Unsecured Feed, Some Feeding Them (not smart near houses), ....

Bears act a lot like dogs, when they find a food source, they keep coming back until the source is gone.

PS. Most meat eaten by a black bear is scavenged.
 
Head on ;shoot for the nose, carefully, put in lots of finishing shots ! Side on between eye and ear hole works well. Standard ball will do well for these shots.
 
Buy a bunch of hunting gear; ammo, sents, maps, brochures, licenses, tags, miss a couple family events while looking for them..... and they will dissappear

Funny :D

I would get a mosin nagant.

Yeah, cuz if the bullet doesn't kill it and the muzzle flash and BOOOM don't scare it away, you can always spear it with the bayonet and hold it at bay until the cops arrive.
 
Buy a bunch of hunting gear; ammo, sents, maps, brochures, licenses, tags, miss a couple family events while looking for them..... and they will dissappear :D


The X39 SP will do just fine to kill them, lo-base shotguns from 50-60 yards sometimes scare em away without killing them. Under 50 yards, I lose my nerve; its time to make a bear rug.

Somebody nearby is feeding them (with trash) for sure....root of the prob.

Lucky bear, I think I might shoot just about anything following me home in the dark.
LOL. Isn't that the truth. I carry a back up pistol when I hunt just in case. I think I'd be excited if I actaully saw a deer or bear in the woods.

As per OP, of what you own, I'd opt for the 7.62x39 as well. As others have said, I'd contact appropiate authorities to see if they can relocate the bear. Ideally I'd like them to handle it (your taxes are paying for it anyway). Also, if there is an issue that you need to deal with, you have demonstrated both there was a documentable issue and you tried to have it taken care of.
 
It didn't sound to me like you're shopping for a new gun, just want to know if your existing guns will do the trick. Of the three you listed, the 7.62X39 would be the starter.

I agree with the poster who said to buy a Mosin and upgrade to 7.62X54, which is basically a "Russian 30-06". They only made 17 million of them, so they're cheap (usually under $100) and ammo isn't prohibitively expensive. If you get the tanker model, I'd put a scout scope on it... on the "standard Mosin", just use the iron sights. You're going to be shooting in "minutes of black bear", so you're not looking for precision, just firepower... and the Mosin has plenty.

I shoot a bench rifle made from a 68 year old Mosin, and it's got plenty of "oomph" to knock down anything on 2 or 4 legs in this country, so how you choose to solve the problem is up to you. Since your rifles are all bolt action, I think I'd upgrade to the Mosin, or hunt a cheap .270 or 30-06 at the local gun store. Depending on the range you'll be shooting, you might need to have a discussion with the wildlife department to get clearance so you don't get put in jail for hunting out of season, etc.

Our state has some doofus game vs. gun laws, and while you might be clear with one side of the law, you can get into trouble with the wildlife folks or vice-versa depending on calibers you use, etc. It's idiotic, but it's how things are done when you have beauracrats invoking their wisdom on hunting and shooting... and get your answer in writing when talking to them. Tell them to email you or send you a letter or permit for shooting the bears that are harrassing you.

I'd love to come help, but for now, I'll just have to wish you luck. I've got all kinds of good "bear guns"...

WT
 
03Shadowbob said:
"I'd invest in a 44mag or 45Colt blackhawk or redhawk and carry that around. Easier to do than a rifle iMO.
First I'd call the game commission though to see if they could get it."

+1 for iron sights/high caliber
+2 for Ruger :)!
 
Life lesson: Bears are smaller and less threatening when you are at your computer.....not in the dark being chased. :p

The last thing you want to do is wound it and have a hurt, scared, mad bear. If your not quick with the bolt, you may consider a semi-auto.... Said from the safety of my keyboard. :rolleyes:
 
Actually, maybe a good autoloading shotgun might be a good choice, alternate slug and 00 buck. Just a thought. Though I would feel best with my vz-58 and a full magazine...
 
Call the game commission!!

There have been several cases very recently in Northeast (near Erie) where a black bear was shot and both was prosecuted.


http://tribune-Democrat.com/local/x539968565/NEW-Erie-woman-charged-with-illegally-killing-bear


http://www.farmanddairy.com/news/erie-county-man-charged-in-black-bear-killing/26443.html

Pester those public servants to come and do their jobs. If that fails document in video and pictures before you have to do the deed. Call 911 as well to document.

While I don't think SSS isn't a bad idea, those fines are a bit stiff.

Good luck
 
Fish and Game should come help you out. If they don't then you have to do what you have to do. That being said, the 7.62x39 SP should work. Firing a gun in general may work. Blackies are usually skiddish.
 
A used 870 or 500 with slugs would be pretty cheap and better medicine than any of the long gun options. If you're carrying any firearm for bear defense, give some hard thought to your backstop -- the bear isn't likely to worry about whether your neighbors' houses are to his back if/when you have an encounter, etc.

Besides the previous mention of bear mace, highway flares are an effective short term deterrent also -- Parks Service folks down in Katmai AK have apparently found that the instinctive aversion to fire will even deter an aggressive brown bear from closing the distance.

I agree that Fish and Game is the best long term solution to nuisance bears.
 
Some have said removing food an trash may or will remove the bears....but the problem is you have little dogs you walk, they leave scent...little dogs can be good food for bears. So every time you walk your little dogs you are walking with a tempting supper for the bears. Sell a rifle an get a cheap pump shotgun with slugs, stop walking the little dogs at night, or get a big dog to chase the bears away.
 
The 7.62x39 is adequate, but I agree with those who advocate using a shotgun with quality slugs. It's what the Rangers in Alaska carry when dealing with grizzly bear threats, but killing them should be a last resort.
Contact your Encon officers to see if they can help.


NCsmitty
 
up until a few years back the largest black taken was one shot in S-W North Carolina near a summer camp. nearby was a farm that raised sweet corn and had a vineyard and apple orchard. so it was well fed what with the farm and the camp's dump. around 600lbs, I saw it at a game check station man that thing was fat litterally as a butterball. 3 shots around the neck/head area with a 30-30 put it down for the count. I was unable to get any details of the load that was used. the farmer and camp both had put out 'help - some hunter take this bear' signs and first few days of the season the hunter got it raiding the orchard.
the larger that supplanted it was taken in Penn near a farm IIRC, just a few pounds heavier.
 
A used 870 or 500 with slugs would be pretty cheap and better medicine than any of the long gun options. If you're carrying any firearm for bear defense, give some hard thought to your backstop -- the bear isn't likely to worry about whether your neighbors' houses are to his back if/when you have an encounter, etc.

+1. A Mossberg Maverick or NEF Pardner pump security model are only a few hundred and any 12ga slug hits hard. Plus, the shotgun is very effective with two legged nuisances.

Of course, check what the regs are (re: shooting the bear) in your area first.
 
I was in Alaska for the last year. In Kotzebue the National Park Service issued 870's with buckshot for the first round and then slugs to archeologists working at a dig for protection. According to Stephen Herero's book/research "Bear Attack" bears that become habituated to people and garbage are the problem. Remove the food source and the bears generally will also leave. He is a great proponent of bear spray. Especially make sure which way the wind is blowing. Black bears seldom attack humans. Stand your ground. Back in the 60's before PETA etc. the rangers in the Great Smokey Mountains would go through the camping areas hitting the bears with walking sticks to make them move on. I also agree with calling the game guys. Yes, the 7.62x39 will be good to go with proper placement. Good luck. ll
 
Of the three choices that you have I'd opt for the 7.62x39. Try getting some heavier bullet loads such as the 150gr loading made by Corbon. I wouldn't trust the light 125gr loads commonly associated with this cartridge to be effective against a black bear. Given the low sectional density of the common 125gr bullets for this cartridge it is likely it may not penetrate deep enough to reach the vitals. Better yet look for a good used shotgun and load it with slugs. BTW a bear can reach speeds of up to 35MPH at dead sprint.
 
Of the three choices that you have I'd opt for the 7.62x39. Try getting some heavier bullet loads such as the 150gr loading made by Corbon. I wouldn't trust the light 125gr loads commonly associated with this cartridge to be effective against a black bear. Given the low sectional density of the common 125gr bullets for this cartridge it is likely it may not penetrate deep enough to reach the vitals. Better yet look for a good used shotgun and load it with slugs. BTW a bear can reach speeds of up to 35MPH at dead sprint.
the bear would get the message after the first one even if it hit him in the leg, if the bear is a female and has cubs it may take more then one or even a warning shot will sometimes work. When I go camping I take my 10mm.
 
Honestly I'd just go pick up a Police trade-in 870 (cheap, and just plain awesome) and get some Brenneke's or at the very least, 3" 000 buck...
 
the bear would get the message after the first one even if it hit him in the leg

You can continue going on believing that but such is just not reality in all situations. If this were the case I guess the guides in Alaska haven't gotten that memo. It is pretty common knowlegde that if a hunter shoots and wounds a bear the wounded bear will circle back on the unsuspecting hunter and attack from ambush or lay waiting. Most black bears are timid by nature and will run at the first sight or smell of a human. However if a bear has become a problem and lost fear of humans then all bets are off.
 
You can continue going on believing that but such is just not reality in all situations. If this were the case I guess the guides in Alaska haven't gotten that memo. It is pretty common knowlegde that if a hunter shoots and wounds a bear the wounded bear will circle back on the unsuspecting hunter and attack from ambush or lay waiting. Most black bears are timid by nature and will run at the first sight or smell of a human. However if a bear has become a problem and lost fear of humans then all bets are off.
Lol whatever, In the past 100 years, only about 35 black bear–related fatalities have been reported in North America. I will go on believing it because I have experience with 3 black bears all within 25 yards but felt like 25 feet, have you? Btw, in Alaska 10 to one you are talking about the Grizzly and not the black bear, About 95% of the Grizzly population in the United States is in Alaska. Thanks for sharing your bright knowledge of bears with me.
 
Are you kidding? Don't you know that the most dangerous thing in the woods is a wounded animal especially a bear with cubs? That is seriously misguided advice my friend. And BTW I've had lots of bears within 25 yards of me. I've had bear within 10 feet of me more than once. I actually have some photos of one somewhere from the days when people fed black bears in the Smokeys without any hassle from any rangers. It was a stupid thing to do but everyone did it at the time. That kind of thing has gone the way of the Dodo bird but if you live long enough you'll remember things people don't do any more too.

Also there are plenty of black bears in Alaska. The ratio is far from being 10-1.

And yes it's true that there have only been a relatively small number of black bear attacks on humans that ended in the death of a human. 35 might be about right for the past 100 years. But 23 of those fatal attacks have occured in the past 20 years. 16 of them happened in the last 10 years. There has been a huge increase in the number of attacks and fatalities statistically. That has a lot to do with the efforts of the government to restore black bears in parts of the country where they were extinct for a long time. For example there's a state park within 2 miles of my farm. The state turned 500 bears loose in that park in one year. That's the year I saw my first black bear in this area. Since then they have taken up residence both on my farm and in the area I live in both of which are pretty remote locations. I've seen bears in both places and a lot of signs including signs in my yard. I've also been harassed by a bear that was obviously used to food handouts from the tourists at a part I go to in Virginia. I've been going to that park for 30 years or more. There was never a bear problem until the last 3 or 4 years. Now they are a huge problem. There's a bear reserve not far from that park and the whole Pine Mountain range is home to a huge bear population now.

Things have changed big time i.e. bears. They are out there in the woods and they are getting more dangerous. A man was killed just last year at another park I've been going to for decades. I have hiked the trail he was on many times. I never saw a bear sign anywhere in that park or in the national forest that surrounds it and I've covered a large part of that area in off road vehicles. It used to be a very popular destination for that sort of thing but Bill Clinton changed that. Now people go elsewhere and the bear have taken over in the part I've been to many times. People from the Kentucky area will know this story. It took place in the Natural Bridge state park which is surrounded by the Daniel Boone National Forest. I've been on the trail that guy was one often. It used to be a sheer delight to hike that trail. Now it can be sheer terror according to what I hear. I had hiked the trail many times where a bear tracked me from behind a thicket in the Virginia park I mentioned earlier. I didn't realize what the situation was and I went there unarmed (rangers don't like you having guns in their park) but I won't make that mistake again. Either they allow guns or I won't go.

So don't act like bears aren't a problem now. They are. And for sure don't tell people to wound a bear to scare it off. That's incredibly wrong. I think you should read the article on this web page. Some of the things they say are:

"If the bear is going to attack you, the best protection is a gun." "Keep firing until the bear's dead because a wounded bear is very dangerous."

"Old or wounded bears can be desperate, either in pain or starving. Bears used to the proximity of people, those that show no fear of humans, can be especially dangerous. Female bears with cubs aggressively defend their young."
I bet you go camping, fishing and hunting on your computer:rolleyes:
 
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