7.62x39mm may be dieing out globally.

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Evil Monkey

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Anybody get the feeling that 7.62x39mm is in its beginning stages of extinction?

If you take a look around the world, many 3rd world countries use an ak variant and the x39 round. There were certainly more so 30 years ago, I'm sure. It just seems that when countries start growing and finally need new weapons, they usually go shopping instead of acquiring them domestically (because there isn't anything available, no company's, engineers,etc ).

So now you have this big shopping store called the world arms market. Because of Soviet Communism, there's practically one design for each class of weapon, like your ak's, PKM, svd, etc. Most of these countries shopping for weapons already more than likely have these soviet arms and want something else. Capitalist countries have many companies that produce many flavors of weapons. 99% of the time, they only come in NATO calibers!:eek::)

Then you have countries who join nato so now they have to use nato calibers. Countries that become friendly to the west and eventually arm themselves with nato caliber weapons. And finally, countries that can afford to develop their own weapons and use nato calibers for whatever reason.

Where ever you look, there are new assault rifles being made in 5.56x45mm or a country's armed forces buying existing 5.56x45mm rifles.
 
Considering that the Soviets and then the Russians bowed out from the 30 caliber round 30 years ago, the Chinese are moving away from it, as are the eastern Europeans, I would certainly expect it to be nodding off elsewhere.

However, consider that black-powder cartridge rounds were still being used in Africa 50 years after their inventing countries had moved on. I suspect that 7.62x39 will last on another 50 years, minimum, as a military round in many places. I would guess another 100 years it will be encountered in sporatic use.

Ash
 
It will still be produced. So long as real money exists to purchase it, there will be eager suppliers. Even if the makers don't have military contracts, there's plenty of others eager to purchase the round.
 
You've got to keep in mind that there were between 50,000,000 and 100,000,000 AK's produced. The vast majority were in 7.62x39 and most of them are probably still out there. The ammo's not going to disappear any time soon.
 
.30-06 hasn't been used as a military round for how long? You can still find .30-06 in plentiful supply, everywhere.

Now, sure, a great deal of that popularity has to do with it's utility as a hunting rifle round, but 7.62x39 will work as a deer round, too, for short range hunting.

I don't see it dying off. Decreasing in popularity? Sure. Going extinct? No way.

Mike
 
ftierson said:
Keep in mind that the Russians have talked about dropping the 5.45x39mm and going back to 7.62x39mm...

True...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_81_Assault_Rifle

The Chinese still deploy the 7.62x39 in their Type 81 (still mil issue) rifles. Many other countries are using as well, along with other countries using AK varients. Don't forget that Russia is 2nd to us in their sales of arms and they still make "regular" AK's and states still purchase them...

ALSO, 20 years ago, as far as I know, Winchester and others US ammo makers didn't have a loading for it. They do now. Most of the US ammo makers load the 7.62x39 in some shape form or fashion. I actually think with the amounts of SKS rifles that have been purchased, AK clones in civilian hands and the number of 7.62x39 "client states" I think it is more popular than ever.

20 years ago CZ didn't offer this... I think it is a testament to the versatility of the round, as well as it's popularity. http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=15

I want to get one.
 
it won't hurt my feelings too much so long as the AK itself sticks around. Considering how many countries (even modern ones) have copies of it that exist as primary rifles, I'm pretty sure it will.
 
Keep in mind that militarily speaking, the 303, 30-06, 8mm Mauser, and others are already extinct or almost there yet retain sporting use. There is no way the 7.62x39 will go extinct as in, never able to get it except on Old Western Scrounger. It will live on as a sporting round if nothing else.

Ash
 
I don't think its going away anytime soon. If the milsurp or Wolf dries up, as long as I can get brass and bullets I'll reload for it.
 
It took what? 50 years or so to shoot up all/most of the stockpiled 30-06 ammo from WWII because we produced way too much of it? (of course there's no such thing as too much ammo:D )

I'm betting that there are 10s of billions of rounds of 7.62x39 in storage (and probably even forgotten) in the former Soviet Union all ready for the old possiblity of the cold war going hot.
 
Considering the amount of firearms in America and the rest of the world chambered for 7.62x39, I don't think that it will die out.

Like Ash said, it there are so many other cartridges that aren't used in military guns that are still around. And though 7.62x39 isn't a great hunting caliber it is very popular for "cheap" shooting.
 
And though 7.62x39 isn't a great hunting caliber it is very popular for "cheap" shooting.

I disagree with that. It is a fine hunting round, ballistically it is much like the 30-30 and those vintage rounds, which is to say, a fine hunting round.
 
If there is one individual cartridge that will still be around when cockroaches rule the earth, it will be the 7.62x39.
 
Could be that NATO rounds are sky high in price or unavailable
is due to the use by other countries and even replacement of
small arms with ours to Iraq. Someone is using or storing .223
and 308 ammo besides us using it. Working 24/7 the US can
not fill the demand and Israel has contracted to help. Where's
the beef...bullets?:fire:
 
i 'read' somewhere we the US produced 60 billion+ small arms rounds in ww2,so imagine how much the warsaw pact has put together.
 
ALSO, 20 years ago, as far as I know, Winchester and others US ammo makers didn't have a loading for it. They do now. Most of the US ammo makers load the 7.62x39 in some shape form or fashion. I actually think with the amounts of SKS rifles that have been purchased, AK clones in civilian hands and the number of 7.62x39 "client states" I think it is more popular than ever.
The mere fact that first-world ammo makers would bother to make a loading for it when there is so much cheap combloc surplus and current production (yes, even now) speaks volumes.

Mike
 
I wouldn't be surprised if the 7.62x39 is among the top 10 most popular rifle cartridges here in the US. I have no idea if that's the case, but you can buy it at Wal-Mart, so that says something about it's popularity right there.
 
I thought this was interesting...

I just stopped at Wally World to see if the local Sheriffs department had left any 9mm for civilian purchase, of which they didn't, and noticed that they have 7.62x39 on their shelves. It's ridiculously priced at $27.?? for a box of 40, but still...Wal-Mart carries it. Since it takes 50-100 million weapons in the hands of consumers to get it on the shelf, I guess I can quit checking for .41 Magnum when I'm there. I know, but I just can't help but check.
 
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