7.62X54r ammo drying up?
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Gord
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7.62x54R is used in Dragunov sniper rifles and a few heavy AK-based machine guns; the US gov't is contracting out a bunch for Iraqi and Afghani security forces, just like 7.62x39, so that's (partly) why domestic ammo is up, along with the price of raw materials increasing a bunch.
As for surplus, BATFE isn't letting any more in - either hope that changes, get a reloader or make peace with the idea of paying $12 for a box of 20...
As for surplus, BATFE isn't letting any more in - either hope that changes, get a reloader or make peace with the idea of paying $12 for a box of 20...
SaMx
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why aren't they allowing surplus ammo but new production is still good to go? That makes no sense.
bill larry
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No no no. Winchester, Wolf, and Barnual (among others) all make ammo for the 7.62x54r. Ammo itself is not going to dry up anytime soon. Surplus might but...who cares...
I just sold all my remaining x54r Czech surplus. I reload for it, and I'm tired of corrosive ammo cleanup. Reloading is the way to go for the long run, and there's not much excuse for not doing it. Whatch gonna do if Hillary or some such gets elected? What if there are further importation bans? Buy components, a press, and dies!
BTW, Barnual makes excellent ammo in this round, and it's softpoint to boot. I can find it locally for 6 to 7 dollars a box, which is cheaper than anything else other than .22lr and 7.62x39.
I just sold all my remaining x54r Czech surplus. I reload for it, and I'm tired of corrosive ammo cleanup. Reloading is the way to go for the long run, and there's not much excuse for not doing it. Whatch gonna do if Hillary or some such gets elected? What if there are further importation bans? Buy components, a press, and dies!
BTW, Barnual makes excellent ammo in this round, and it's softpoint to boot. I can find it locally for 6 to 7 dollars a box, which is cheaper than anything else other than .22lr and 7.62x39.
dstorm1911
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LMAO the man thinks the BATF should actually make sense!!!!!! Commercial ammo is regulated differently than surplus ammo by the BATF, the only stuff they aren't approving form 6s for is surplus ammo, it has no effect on 7.62x39 other than the price going higher and higher, the price on all military calibers will start climbing as collectors have no choice but to go for commercial ammo etc....
I'm good for at least 15 years plus I reload for all military calibers but... brass will eventually wear out and need to be replaced but thats maybe 20 years down the road for me, sure glad I ain't havin to accept these $200 per 1000 rnd prices on 7.62x39 though thats really gotta suck!
I will be buyin up guns though in a few years when those who didn't heed the warnings and stack it deep the last couple years start gettin tired of payin comercial ammo prices......... however ya do understand that without cheap ammo many of the guns will not have the value they did last year .................... sorry..........
the man thinks the BATF should actually make sense!!!!!! Commercial ammo is regulated differently than surplus ammo by the BATF, the only stuff they aren't approving form 6s for is surplus ammo, it has no effect on 7.62x39 other than the price going higher and higher, the price on all military calibers will start climbing as collectors have no choice but to go for commercial ammo etc....I'm good for at least 15 years plus I reload for all military calibers but... brass will eventually wear out and need to be replaced but thats maybe 20 years down the road for me, sure glad I ain't havin to accept these $200 per 1000 rnd prices on 7.62x39 though thats really gotta suck!
I will be buyin up guns though in a few years when those who didn't heed the warnings and stack it deep the last couple years start gettin tired of payin comercial ammo prices......... however ya do understand that without cheap ammo many of the guns will not have the value they did last year ....................
sorry..........Cosmoline
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Could someone please tell us where this rumor about the government banning further 54R shipments is coming from? This is the third thread on THR about the issue, but nobody seems to know where the rumor got started or what authority there might be to back it.
Cosmoline
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The surplus stuff just runs out on its own of course. But I won't cry too many tears when the last of the banian goes away. The commercial 54R is also very inexpensive and is a lot better quality. Not to mention non-corrosive.
The stuff I'm worried about is GP-11 Swiss. THAT is hard to replace.
The stuff I'm worried about is GP-11 Swiss. THAT is hard to replace.
dstorm1911
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The government isn't "banning" x54r the BATF simply isn't approving any form 6s for the importation of ANY milsurplus ammo period nor are they approving any form 6s for the importation of any military small arms or large lots of parts for military small arms.......... no ban needed, the BATF doesn't answer to voters, the last shipment that got an approved form 6 was Century arms 8 months ago on 5.45x39 60 million rnds it got here 5 months ago and the previously approved form6 got canceled so the had to "abandon" the shipment to US Customs
but nope the government isn't targeting or "banning" anything ya can still buy all the commercial ammo ya want ya just can't get a form 6 approved to import any military surplus ammo, parts sets etc... commercial sporting stuff only
However since they did fail to "tax" ammo and components such as powder/primers outa the reach of sport shooters by going through OSHA last month I am looking for em to try an end run through the Department of homeland security to either severally raise commercial ammo/component prices to limit how much gets into the hands of American shooters they have already figured out that putting gun related issues before the voters doesn't work so now they are utilizing government agencies that don't answer to the voters at all to accomplish the same thing...
Once AMMO is scarce for the average shooter they figure the guns will have little value and then it''ll be easier to go after the guns themselves............. naw didn't think it up on my own as an importer I find it very helpful to spend some time hangin out with the Anti's listenin to theire ideas......... many of their forums were all upset over the Osha deal gettin tossed but they've bounced right back and are looking at the Department of Homland security as a better venue to shut down ammo availability, tryin to slip a TAX in under radar is another big option, they figure to try to do the same thing with ammo and sport shooters thats worked so well to get folks to quit smoking go after the wallet via taxes for instance a TAX to let sport shooters help pay for the medical costs of persons injured by guns in drive by shootings etc....
So wht ya gonna do when that non-corrosive commercial ammo costs ya $45 per 20 rnds Cosmoline? Anyone??
but nope the government isn't targeting or "banning" anything ya can still buy all the commercial ammo ya want ya just can't get a form 6 approved to import any military surplus ammo, parts sets etc... commercial sporting stuff only
However since they did fail to "tax" ammo and components such as powder/primers outa the reach of sport shooters by going through OSHA last month I am looking for em to try an end run through the Department of homeland security to either severally raise commercial ammo/component prices to limit how much gets into the hands of American shooters they have already figured out that putting gun related issues before the voters doesn't work so now they are utilizing government agencies that don't answer to the voters at all to accomplish the same thing...
Once AMMO is scarce for the average shooter they figure the guns will have little value and then it''ll be easier to go after the guns themselves............. naw didn't think it up on my own as an importer I find it very helpful to spend some time hangin out with the Anti's listenin to theire ideas......... many of their forums were all upset over the Osha deal gettin tossed but they've bounced right back and are looking at the Department of Homland security as a better venue to shut down ammo availability, tryin to slip a TAX in under radar is another big option, they figure to try to do the same thing with ammo and sport shooters thats worked so well to get folks to quit smoking go after the wallet via taxes for instance a TAX to let sport shooters help pay for the medical costs of persons injured by guns in drive by shootings etc....
So wht ya gonna do when that non-corrosive commercial ammo costs ya $45 per 20 rnds Cosmoline? Anyone??
MD_Willington
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Check out wideners.com, they have Barnaul in stock... lots of it, well they did last night, I grabbed 500 rounds of .223. Shipping was under $20...
Harley Quinn
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7.62X54r ammo drying up?
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When I first saw this
I thought as in dry and not shooting right.
I am not sure myself, I don't shoot it.
Here is a list of the ones you might try:
http://billstclair.com/ammo.html
HQ
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When I first saw this
I thought as in dry and not shooting right. I am not sure myself, I don't shoot it.
Here is a list of the ones you might try:
http://billstclair.com/ammo.html
HQ
dstorm1911, do you have any other info on this, links, etc? I do not doubt it is true I would just like to find more info. There has been no new surplus anywhere the last few months so something like this must explain it. I can see the prices going up because the surplus is running out but it is hard to believe it has completely dried up this quickly.
Mannlicher
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MilSurp is about gone, regardless of caliber. In the case of 7.62 x 54 Russian, and 7.62 NATO, its partially because no one issues rifles to their troops for these cartridges. yes, they are used in specialty weapons and MGs, but there are no huge surplus stocks anymore.
Another factor is the UNs efforts to stop the proliferation of small arms, and many countries like India and South Africa have signed the agreements. They now destroy, not sell their surplus, if they have any.
Wolf and other commercial companies can step in, and sell new production, commercial ammo, and thats probably where most of the new ammo in those calibers will come from.
It will be a LOT more expensive than milsurp was.
I fear if you are planning to 'stock up' for a rainy day, its probably too late.
Another factor is the UNs efforts to stop the proliferation of small arms, and many countries like India and South Africa have signed the agreements. They now destroy, not sell their surplus, if they have any.
Wolf and other commercial companies can step in, and sell new production, commercial ammo, and thats probably where most of the new ammo in those calibers will come from.
It will be a LOT more expensive than milsurp was.
I fear if you are planning to 'stock up' for a rainy day, its probably too late.
dstorm1911
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000Buck nope just the importer grapevine we all keep gettin our form 6s denied, ya can go through the variouse websites or call and talk to reps if they know ya they'll be pretty honest bout the empty warehouses, I can tell ya were all the ammo is if ya wanna get your own importer license and get a bank to extend ya a line of credit.... I've got letter after letter inviting us to bid on ammo lots all over Europe and we as well as everyone else has tried but....... nothing getting approved through the BATF 2 weeks ago we even got a form6 denied for Russian olympic .22 cal target pistols 27 of them the reason on the denied form6 "has no sporting purpose" uhhhhhhhhhh yea Olympic target pistols have no sporting purpose...... like ya know maybe target shooting?????
Right now if ya have an importers license ya would have the following available
Balkans
42 million rnds Yugo non-steel core brass cased 7.62x39
85 million rnds Romanian 7.92x57 at Pyrochim arsenal (all Romanian weapons are now NATO caliber so no need for any of the german/russian caliber ammo) Century did get 25 million rnds of this in but then no more form 6s approved to get the rest.
125 MILLION rnds of Czech Silver tip 7.62x54r sitting in Prague still up for sale
In the U.K Is several containers totaling 63 million rnds of S/A 7.62x51 but it is tagged must be de-militerized in otherwords broken down for components only but at .03 cents a round....... not bad
In Hungary they still got 80+ million rnds of 7.62x54r available as well as non-steel core 7.62x39 (no quantity listed)
There are others but my wrist is trashed and its too much typing...... get the BATF to approve a form6 and with that line of credit ya can have ALOTA friends If ya really want to see intresting go hang out on some of the Anti's web sites they got many more ideas on how to restrict guns/ammo without involving the voters
Right now if ya have an importers license ya would have the following available
Balkans
42 million rnds Yugo non-steel core brass cased 7.62x39
85 million rnds Romanian 7.92x57 at Pyrochim arsenal (all Romanian weapons are now NATO caliber so no need for any of the german/russian caliber ammo) Century did get 25 million rnds of this in but then no more form 6s approved to get the rest.
125 MILLION rnds of Czech Silver tip 7.62x54r sitting in Prague still up for sale
In the U.K Is several containers totaling 63 million rnds of S/A 7.62x51 but it is tagged must be de-militerized in otherwords broken down for components only but at .03 cents a round....... not bad
In Hungary they still got 80+ million rnds of 7.62x54r available as well as non-steel core 7.62x39 (no quantity listed)
There are others but my wrist is trashed and its too much typing...... get the BATF to approve a form6 and with that line of credit ya can have ALOTA friends
If ya really want to see intresting go hang out on some of the Anti's web sites they got many more ideas on how to restrict guns/ammo without involving the votersHarley Quinn
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dstorm1911,
Sounds like something that could be a money maker, if you have the money that is And the connections
HQ
Sounds like something that could be a money maker, if you have the money that is
And the connectionsHQ
dstorm1911
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harley...... and could get the BATF to clear ya a form 6............ Century has even been against the wall on that issue
Geojap, ya gotta set up accounts pretty much all of em operate the old e-mail news group style, its their way of verifying who ya are as opposed to running on public forums etc... ya'll needa participate in a few (without giving up that your pro-gun for gawds sake) to get listed on more and more newsgroup lists as everything is CC'd to members etc... now why they gotta be worried bout bein so secretive .....................
here are a few starting points
PAX, this ones REALLY good one, they are the ones with all the ideas bout taxing us outa guns etc... ya'll get some of it reading the public stuff but get on the e-mail lists and ya'll start gettin really good info just don't ever act pro-gun or your done they won't confront you they simply won't forward anything to ya etc... I've been burned twice by em very careful now huntin sneaky liberals
http://www.paxusa.org/
here is another thats a lil less paranoid but ya still gotta get on e-mailing list to get the better stuff etc... they also list most all pro-gun forums to make it easier for their members to Troll us etc...
http://www.vpc.org/
Again ya will need to setup an e-mail account but here alot of mis-information etc... Million moms march....... guns are killin their kids by the thousands... again get on the e-mail lists
http://www.millionmommarch.org/
that'll get ya started, IF ya happen to spot my writing style keep your fingers quiet have fun
Geojap, ya gotta set up accounts pretty much all of em operate the old e-mail news group style, its their way of verifying who ya are as opposed to running on public forums etc... ya'll needa participate in a few (without giving up that your pro-gun for gawds sake) to get listed on more and more newsgroup lists as everything is CC'd to members etc... now why they gotta be worried bout bein so secretive .....................
here are a few starting points
PAX, this ones REALLY good one, they are the ones with all the ideas bout taxing us outa guns etc... ya'll get some of it reading the public stuff but get on the e-mail lists and ya'll start gettin really good info just don't ever act pro-gun or your done they won't confront you they simply won't forward anything to ya etc... I've been burned twice by em very careful now huntin sneaky liberals
http://www.paxusa.org/
here is another thats a lil less paranoid
but ya still gotta get on e-mailing list to get the better stuff etc... they also list most all pro-gun forums to make it easier for their members to Troll us etc...http://www.vpc.org/
Again ya will need to setup an e-mail account but here alot of mis-information etc... Million moms march....... guns are killin their kids by the thousands... again get on the e-mail lists
http://www.millionmommarch.org/
that'll get ya started, IF ya happen to spot my writing style keep your fingers quiet
have fun- Status