7.62X93 ammo obsolete?

[Miss Debbie]

Yesterday I shot my SKS and another person next to me told me that the ammo I am shooting is drying up and the best thing for me to do is sell my Russian SKS and buy either a AK 74 of a AR rifle. Anyone else herd that X39 ammo not going to be available?

 

[N003k]

I don't think even the Russians have stopped using the 7.62x39 yet...so, I wouldn't count on it.

Also keep in mind, even if the surplus stuff dries up for some reason, as doubtful as it is, there's so many of the things in the US chambered in it, that every ammo maker that cares about making money'll pick up the slack to produce plenty too.

 

[Shadow Man]

I have heard nothing of the sort. I cannot see the 7.62x39mm drying up within the foreseeable future: it is just too popular and too common for it to go away. My advice: keep the SKS, and just stock up on x39 in the off chance it does dry up.

 

[Sam1911]

Anyone else herd that X39 ammo not going to be available?

Ahhh...the range know-it-all. Good on you that you didn't take what he had to say at face value.

There's a rumor floating around every week that something or another is going to be off the market and scarce as hens' teeth next month.

7.62x39 is probably the single most common rifle round in the world. There have been some shortages in the last couple of years, mostly do to "Obama Panic" buying, but you have no worries. It's available again by the case (though not quite as cheap as before) and you may shoot with confidence.

And, as others said, if someday the surplus stuff DOES dry up, and even if Wolf, Silver Bear, Golden Tiger, and other low-cost commercial producers are stopped from importing by some legislative or Presidential edict, the American commercial producers will be chomping at the bit to finally get a slice of the AK and SKS action. There's MILLIONS of 7.62x39 rifles in this country. Basic capitalism says there will always be ammo to feed them!

-Sam

[EDIT to say: And always run such stories by the old "Sniff Test." The producers of the most common rifle ammo in the world are going to stop selling here -- so you should buy an AK-74 rifle that shoots much less common 5.45x39mm ammo -- THAT'S PRODUCED BY THE SAME FOLKS? That makes some kinda' sense!]

 

[Lloyd Smale]

rumor has it the russia is going back to the 762x39 anyway.

 

[Avtomat Kalashnikova]

Yesterday I shot my SKS and another person next to me told me that the ammo I am shooting is drying up and the best thing for me to do is sell my Russian SKS

haha, i bet he was about to offer you $50 for it, just to help you out since it isn't worth anything anymore.

 

[DMK]

rumor has it the russia is going back to the 762x39 anyway.

I wouldn't count on that. They are pretty committed to the AK-74 and '74M. They still use some 7.62x39 rifles, but it's not their primary service rifle.

However, there are a lot more '47s and AKMs out there than the Russians ever had for themselves. Their ammo plants will be making money off them for a long time.

 

[zhyla]

As long as we have poor countries we will have 7.62x39.

 

[19-3Ben]

That's one of the silliest things I've ever heard. I think sam1911 nailed it on the head with:

7.62x39 is probably the single most common rifle round in the world.

And by commenting that if the import market for x39 dries up, American makers would have to be morons not to jump on a market that huge.

x39 may, at one point (20 years ago) have been a black sheep because it was a commie round, but these days with the Cold War over and millions of Com-Bloc rifles in this country, the x39 has established itself as a very common round here in America. In fact, one might even argue that because of the low cost for a rifle, mags, and ammo, the AK/SKS is as much a symbol of the "American Rifleman" as any other rifle ever has been.

 

[lopezni]

Well, it really isn't that good of a cartridge. However, some of the most popular rifles for simply wasting ammo are chambered for it. It is cheap and people shoot a lot of it. I doubt it will ever go away. Unless people realize how stupid AK's are.

 

[HGUNHNTR]

^ I suppose every time you pull the trigger it is for a well planned excercise. There is no such thing as wasting ammo if it is being fired.

 

[-v-]

See, I heard that 5.56x45 is drying up b/c the Gov't is about to pass a bill saying all 5.56/.223 rem has to go to the military due to the war on terror. Best you be nice, and offer that old timer $50 for his soon to be useless ar-15.

 

[Bullnettles]

I know they aren't as accurate as the 5.56, but come on lopezni. Do you realize how many people rely on that "not great of a round" in "stupid" AKs? It wouldn't be around for as long as it has been or see wide-spread use if it was flat out bad. There are pros and cons to everything, 7.62 x39 included.

 

[cornman]

There are only about 500 million rifles chambered for 7.62x.39 around the world so, I guess the guy is right. I guess the guy does not understand that the 3rd world does not buy the latest and greatest. The 7.62x39 will be used by developing nations for another 50 years or more.

 

[GRIZ22]

There are a zillion firearms chambered for 7.62x39. There are probably a million aks and sks's in the U.S. alone. Whatever the cartridge is or isn't it will be around for a long time.

 

[R.W.Dale]

The same flawed logic fed to the op could also be applied to 30-06




Think about it?

 

[[Pb]]

When I read the title of this thread I thought it was about some bizarre wildcat "7.62x93"...

I think it's safe to say the most common military round in the third world isn't going obsolete, ever.

 

[rogertc1]

A 7.62 X 93 would really have a big case bottom and hold a heck of a lot of powder...wounder what it would look like?

Perhaps kinda like a bottle of Break Free?

 

[Sam1911]

Well, it really isn't that good of a cartridge. However, some of the most popular rifles for simply wasting ammo are chambered for it. It is cheap and people shoot a lot of it. I doubt it will ever go away.

The round and the rifles chambered in it are close to perfect for their intended purposes. The round has sufficient energy to kill what it was designed to kill and the rifles have plenty of inherent accuracy to make effective hits on that intended target out to the limits of the range at which the M43 cartridge retains enough energy to do the job. (And are capable of more accuracy than most of the shooters' using them.) A well-balanced pairing, that many shooters find useful for tasks somewhat outside of their original goals.

Unless people realize how stupid AK's are.

Ahhh, my, my. Experience would probably be the best teacher, but you can get a head start by listening more than you speak. Better to hold your tongue and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

-Sam

 

[miamiboy]

Speaking of which, does anybody know if there's any truth to the Russian manufacturer of AK's facing bankruptcy?

 

[Onward Allusion]

No, it is not obsolete. Aside from the mil surplus stuff, almost every major ammo manufacturer makes at least one version of it. The AK is one of the most ubiquitous rifles in the world. So, the round is not going away anytime soon.
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Miss Debbie

7.62X93 ammo obsolete?

 

[Onward Allusion]

Oh my!

lopezni
Well, it really isn't that good of a cartridge. However, some of the most popular rifles for simply wasting ammo are chambered for it. It is cheap and people shoot a lot of it. I doubt it will ever go away. Unless people realize how stupid AK's are.

 

[DMK]

Well, it really isn't that good of a cartridge.

It's not that bad of a cartridge either. It can do anything 30-30 can do, with the added trick of working in a semi-auto.

The only thing wrong with 'x39 is 90% of the ammo we see is cheap bulk stuff. If somebody made this stuff in match form, (and we shot it in better rifles) it would work quite well.

Imagine how .308 would be regarded if all we could get is Wolf and military surplus?

 

[DMK]

Speaking of which, does anybody know if there's any truth to the Russian manufacturer of AK's facing bankruptcy?

Yes. But that doesn't necessarily mean they are going out of business either.

http://english.pravda.ru/business/companies/21-09-2009/109412-kalashnikov-0

Kalashnikov Maker Files for Bankruptcy
21.09.2009 Source: Pravda.Ru URL: http://english.pravda.ru/business/companies/109412-kalashnikov-0

The Court of Arbitration of the Republic of Udmurtia registered a petition in bankruptcy of JSC Izhmash (Izhevsk Mechanical Works), the largest firearms maker in Russia, Interfax reports. The court hearings to investigate the causes of the petition will be held on October 7, 2009.

Izhmash ships firearms to 15 countries of the world. Based in Izhevsk and founded in 1807 at the decree of Tsar Alexander I, and is now one of the largest corporations in its field. It makes the famous Kalashnikov series of assault rifle, along with a host of other Russian arms, including medium cannons, missiles, and guided shells. Izhmash also produces other goods, such as motorcycles and cars.

Their products are currently in use in a wide variety of countries, ranging from well established countries such as the United Kingdom, Germany and France to the developing countries of Asia, Africa and Latin America.

The biathlon rifles include the 7-2, 7-3/7-3A youth/women's models as well as the 7-4 and 7-4A men's model. They have been used in Europe and the USA.

Izhmash, the pride of the nation’s defense industry, may prove to be an unprofitable enterprise. Udmurtia’s Court of Arbitration will look into the financial documents of the group of enterprises of Izhmash Concern. If reasons for bankruptcy are unveiled, Russia’s largest maker of firearms will have to be reorganized.

Bankruptcy proceedings, if they take place, will relieve Izhmash of its debt burden.

It is worthy of note that the production at Molotov Works, a part of Izhmash Concern and the maker of the renowned Kalashnikov assault rifle, was stopped not so long ago, news agencies said. The production was stopped due to the absence of the state order: the company has no money to pay salaries to employees and return debts to creditors.

 

[Wanta B]

...Seriously,no way,no how.

+1 to it is just the weekly rumor/range know it all.

+1 WAY to many weapons in cerculation that use it,ie. WAY too much demand.

+1 The Russians still use it,quite alot.

+1 The Russians have been fielding it more as of last few years.

...and list/beat goes on...