71 yo, unarmed blind woman hit with tazer, pepper spray-said to be "reasonable force"

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Even blind old ladies terrify the cops
Sunday, April 25, 2004


She was 71 years old.

She was blind.

She needed her 94-year-old mother to come to her rescue.

And in the middle of the dogfight -- in which Eunice Crowder was pepper-sprayed, Tasered and knocked to the ground by Portland's courageous men in blue -- the poor woman's fake right eye popped out of its socket and was bouncing around in the dirt.

How vicious and ugly can the Portland police get? Ladies and gentlemen, I think we have a winner. This 2003 case is so blatant, the use of force so excessive, the threat of liability so intimidating that the city just approved a $145,000 settlement.

But all those gung-ho fans of the cops can relax. Nothing has changed. Nothing will upset the status quo.

The cops aren't apologizing.

The cops aren't embarrassed.

The cops haven't been disciplined.

And the cops are still insisting, to the bitter end, that they "reasonably believed" this blind ol' bat was a threat to their safety and macho culture.

Eunice Crowder, you see, didn't follow orders. Eunice was uncooperative. Worried a city employee was hauling away a family heirloom, a 90-year-old red toy wagon, she had the nerve to feel her way toward the trailer in which her yard debris was being tossed.

Enter the police. Eunice, who is hard of hearing, ignored the calls of Officers Robert Miller and Eric Zajac to leave the trailer. When she tried, unsuccessfully, to bite the hands that were laid on her, she was knocked to the ground.

When she kicked out at the cops, she was pepper-sprayed in the face with such force that her prosthetic marble eye was dislodged. As she lay on her stomach, she was Tased four times with Zajac's electric stun gun.

And when Nellie Scott, Eunice's 94-year-old mother, tried to rinse out her daughter's eye with water from a two-quart Tupperware bowl, what does Miller do? According to Ernie Warren Jr., Eunice's lawyer, the cop pushed Nellie up against a fence and accused her of planning to use the water as a weapon.

Paranoia runs deep. Into your life it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid . . .

Afraid and belligerent. "Cops have changed," Warren said. "When I grew up, they weren't people who huddled together and their only friends were the cops. You had access to them all the time. You weren't afraid of them."

What did Police Chief Derrick Foxworth have to say about the case? "This did not turn out the way we wanted it to turn out," Foxworth said Friday. "Looking back, and I know the officers feel this as well, they may have done something differently. We would have wanted the minimal amount of force to have been used. But I feel we need to recognize Ms. Crowder has some responsibility. She contributed to the situation."

Granted. But Eunice was 71. She was blind. That probably explains why a judge threw out all charges against her and why the city, in a stone-cold panic, settled ASAP.

"This was like fighting Ray Charles or Stevie Wonder," Warren said. "It wasn't a fair fight."

No, but it was another excuse to haul out the usual code words about the cops' "reasonable" belief that they were justified to use a "reasonable amount of force to defend themselves."

If you have a different definition of "reasonable," you just don't understand the Portland police. You need to remember the words of Robert King, head of the police union, defending Officer Jason Sery in the March shooting of James Jahar Perez:

"What sets us apart from people like most of you is that you'll never face a situation in your job where -- in less than 10 seconds -- the routine can turn to truly life-threatening," King wrote. "When that happens to us, when we have to make that ultimate split-second decision, we don't just ask for your understanding, we ask for your support."

She was 71 years old. She was blind. She was lucky, I guess, that these cops -- set apart from people like most of us -- didn't make the usual split-second decision and draw their guns.
 
I was so glad I was sitting down when I read this as it wouldn't have been the first time in my life that I fell on my a-- from laughing so hard.

FedDC? You out there?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
 
FedDC? You out there?

Maced and tazed, and assaulted the 94 YO mother. All in one afternoon.

Hard to believe these "action" cops were once headed by Chief Moose......maybe it is not hard to believe after all. Maybe she was driving a white van (blind and all) :neener:
 
Yes, FedDC,
12-34hom,
where are you on this. :what: I hope you 2 do not try to justify these actions.

Man. I hope this is a joke, but if not, these LEO's shoud do some serious jail time. NOT a slap on the wrist and call it a LEARNING EXPERIENCE.
 
Hmmm, having no knowledge of how large this 71 year old woman is, I find it hard to make a conclusion on this one. She did bite some cops and start kicking at them. Hard for me to judge how many bites and kicks to my shins and groin I want to take from a harmless 71 year old woman before I decide that is enough pain for the day. And there is most certainly no bias in that news article.

What cracks me up is that there is this idea out there that people expect law enforcement to get stabbed, beat up, and take a few hits before hitting back. Would you do the same? Should I let some 71 year old woman bite and kick the crap out of me before I try and stop her because she is some harmless 71 year old woman? How many of you who think this is so horrible would just let a smaller statured person come up and assault you and you wouldn't defend yourself because they are smaller? I would wager many of you would administer a healthy butt kicking on the spot. Yet, cops are to do just that, wait it out all in the name of the harmless old lady.

And this crap about nice cops in the old days. I might wager that the reason we read so many of these articles now a days is because cops are nicer today. Think of all of the shootings you have now a days. Cops don't want "dangerous" people to get near them so they shoot them before they get too close. In the old days didn't they just club the heck out of some drunk guy that they might get into a fight with. Sure the drunk guy got his butt kicked, but he lived another day. With the excesive force cases we have, cops only have two choices. Do nothing or shoot. Thank you Rodney King.

Why is it so hard to understand? If you get in a fight with the police, they are going to hurt you? Don't fight the police. Why do I understand that so simply while so many other people do not?
 
Uh, how about disengagement? She was confused because someone was taking her stuff. There was no danger to anyone UNTIL they interjected. Disengage, get more information, is she deaf? Is she in a fugue? For crying out loud, she is a 71 YO blind woman.
 
Should I let some 71 year old woman bite and kick the crap out of me before I try and stop her because she is some harmless 71 year old woman?
Read the article again EL ROJO. She tried to bite, and kick. So it looks like the had her under control, or a cop would have been bit or kicked. NAH, they just wanted to Taze her ass. :scrutiny:




When she tried, unsuccessfully, to bite the hands that were laid on her, she was knocked to the ground. When she kicked out at the cops, she was pepper-sprayed in the face with such force that her prosthetic marble eye was dislodged. As she lay on her stomach, she was Tased four times with Zajac's electric stun gun.

Come on, how many people do you need to restrain a 71 year old female. You should be able to do this with physical force, not intermediate force options. :scrutiny:
 
If you get in a fight with the police, they are going to hurt you? Don't fight the police. Why do I understand that so simply while so many other people do not?


So EL ROJO,
if you know that you are being arrested falsely, or being pushed around without probable cause, you are saying you would not fight back? Dont fight the police. hmmm. In most circumstances, i agree, but if i am wrongly detained, or jacked with by a cop with attitude and no PC to stand on, you damn right I will fight back.


Behavior like what happened to this woman is just mind boggling.:cuss:
 
Eunice Crowder, you see, didn't follow orders. Eunice was uncooperative. Worried a city employee was hauling away a family heirloom, a 90-year-old red toy wagon, she had the nerve to feel her way toward the trailer in which her yard debris was being tossed.
Sounds to me like she was having a problem keeping her yard picked up and they came to haul the stuff away. I am not going to argue the merits of this, but the cops are there supervising. She starts to interfere with the process. We are not told in this biased article, but I guess we should assume she was acting as an upstanding member of her community and being completely cooperative with the authorities. She just happened to "feel her" way over to the trailer to get her stuff. The cops yelled at her to back off. She did not comply. I am sure she had no idea the cops were there. She probably just thought some criminals were there to haul away the trash in her front yard. Yeah, the cops should have just backed off and let her do whatever she wants right? You don't have to listen to what a police officer says. Do what you want. They have no right to tell us what to do. Not even when they are enforcing the municiple codes and laws that the people established and live by.

We don't know how much the cops knew. We don't know if the cops had warned her several times and if they had disengaged, tried a tactic, and she still didn't comply despite fully understanding what was going on. The problem is this article is completely biased and unless you were there, you don't really know what happened. And if you are assuming that this 71 year old blind woman is some little old lady, you know what you do when you assume.

This article has an agenda. Why do people play into it? Why do people just find blame with the police without having anymore info than what is conveyed in a blantantly biased article? It makes no sense.
 
We don't know how much the cops knew. We don't know if the cops had warned her several times and if they had disengaged, tried a tactic, and she still didn't comply despite fully understanding what was going on.


No, but I do know she was 71 years old, and blind. If cops are scared of a 71 year old blind woman, they damn sure better turn in there badges. There are a lot worse on the streets to fear.
 
Portland PD.

Again.

And AGAIN.

Swear to God that is one screwed up department. More bizarre stories outta that bunch than any agency anywhere near their size.

Remember what I've been saying about screwed-up cultures? Well it can happen in a police agency.
 
I would not fight back against a law enforcement officer. I will lose any fight against a law enforcement officer. Not only does he have numerous tools on his body to encourage my compliance, he has the ability to call upon more officers who will arrive and only see me fighting that officer. I am guaranteed to lose.

I will simply comply and document everything. I will request that the officer call his supervisor immediately and have that supervisor respond. Many cops carry tape recorders on their person and have video in their cruisers. If I am being falsely arrested, I will change nothing by fighting the officer on the scene. I can win a court case when the jury sees that I was calm, cooperative, and in control of my actions.

You fight the battles you can win and you retreat and regroup when you can't. kbr80, fight away. You will not win that battle. But by complying you can win the war.
 
Apr 23, 11:41 PM EDT

Portland to Pay $145K in Arrest Lawsuit


PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- The city of Portland has agreed to pay $145,000 to an elderly blind woman after police pepper-sprayed and shocked her with a stun gun.

The altercation began as an attempt to remove shrubs and appliances from 71-year-old Eunice Crowder's yard, and ended with police citing her for harassment and disobeying an order.

This week, the city agreed to settle her excessive force lawsuit out of federal court, a month after a Multnomah County Circuit Court judge dismissed the violations against her.

"This case goes to show that police misconduct and excessive force can happen to anybody outside the mainstream," said Ernest Warren Jr., Crowder's lawyer. "It does not have to be an African American; it can be someone who is elderly and white."

The Portland City Council approved the settlement, based on a review by the city's risk management division that indicated "there is risk the City may be found liable."



The June 9, 2003, incident began when Ed Marihart, a city employee, showed up at Crowder's home. He served her with an administrative search warrant to remove an accumulation of trash and debris.

According to Crowder and her lawyer, the woman told him she was blind and hard of hearing, and asked him to read the entire warrant to her, but he refused. She said he placed it in her hands, walked outside and ordered others to start removing items from her yard.

The city denies that the woman asked Marihart to read the warrant and maintains that Marihart explained to her why he was there.

The woman followed the city employee outside. She was concerned that he and his co-workers had removed a family heirloom, a 90-year-old red toy wagon with rhododendrons in it. She asked to enter a trailer, where items from her yard were being placed, to feel around for the wagon.

Marihart told her she couldn't enter the trailer and said the wagon was not inside. He then called police.

When Portland Officers Robert Miller and Eric Zajac arrived at the house, Crowder acknowledged she had one foot on the curb and one foot on the bumper of the trailer. She felt someone step on her foot and asked, "Who are you?"

Moments later, she felt someone strike her in the head, which dislodged her prosthetic right eye from its socket, and was knocked to the ground, she claimed in her lawsuit.

Officers said Crowder ignored their commands not to climb into the trailer and tried to bite Miller's hand.

They acknowledged she was "pushed onto the dirt next to the sidewalk," according to the city's legal brief filed in court.

While on the ground, Crowder asked the officer what he thought he was doing and kicked Miller. She said the officer kicked her back, then pepper-sprayed her in her eyes.

"While she's still on the ground, on her stomach, they tased her in the back and in the breast," her lawyer said.

Police said they pepper-sprayed Crowder after she refused to stop kicking them. They admit that Crowder's prosthetic eye fell out at some point, and that Zajac stunned Crowder with a Taser, an electric stun gun, twice in the lower back and once in the upper back after ordering her to stop fighting and resisting.

Warren said the city's argument is bogus. He said, "To kick the crap out of old folks seems a little bit much to me in the name of law enforcement."

Copyright 2004 Associated Press. All rights reserved.
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Speaking as someone who lives in Portland, Oregon, where this happened, I would like to remind folks that it's not fair to let the thuggish actions of 98% tarnish the image of the other 2% who are fine officers I trust.
 
You fight the battles you can win and you retreat and regroup when you can't.

I guess to some people, some issues are worth standing up for. I am one of those people.


Side note: Shouldnt FedDC and 12-34 hom be by to tell us that this behavion is perfectly acceptable.
 
I guess the take-down excercises at the Police Academy didn't cover what to do in case the perp is a 71-year-old blind woman with a false eye. I guess they need to add that one to the curiculum.
 
KBR80, you are making inferences and statements that have nothing to do with the information we have here.
If cops are scared of a 71 year old blind woman, they damn sure better turn in there badges. There are a lot worse on the streets to fear.
Who said the cops were scared of her? They attempted to get her to comply with their orders as city employees were performing their duties. She did not comply. Have any of you met this woman? Do you know how blind and def she is? I work in a federal prison. We have a blind inmate that gets to use a blind cane. You know what else he does? He is always in the typing room using the type writers. There is no brail on these type writers.

She fought the law and the law won, the fight. She won the lawsuit. All this proves is that if you make yourself sound like a good enough victim, you can make money off of the tax payers. Who knows, maybe she is really blind and def. I would bet money that not a single one of us here knows how bad her physical impairments are. I also bet none of us know what kind of shape she is in. So until someone posts a picture of her and also shows us the video of the altercation, I have a hard time buying hook line and sinker she is the sweet innocent little old lady her lawyer wants us to believe.
 
ElRojo

Sounds to me like she was having a problem keeping her yard picked up and they came to haul the stuff away.
It's hard to see an eyesore when you're blind. I'm sure she thought her yard was just fine the way it was.

Remember, she was attempting to "see" if they were taking a 90-year-old antique wagon.
 
:what:


I am out of this Thread.

If you condone the actions of the idiots that used this excessive force on this elderly lady, you are beyond help and understanding.
 
I cannot believe that, in EVERY SINGLE INCIDENT of the JBTs jacking someone, we have people on this board justifying and agreeing with it.

Sickening.

I wish I could rant about this, but I'm at a loss for words. I hope the thugs responsible enjoy their stay in hell.

One of these days, the thugs are gonna pick on someone who's not gonna take it, and THEY'RE gonna be the ones to get jacked.


Wait, tcsd, feddc, and others... lemme guess...

Officer safety, right? :rolleyes:


Welcome to Amerika.

James
 
I guess to some people, some issues are worth standing up for. I am one of those people.
Getting beat up and killed by the police is hardly standing up for yourself. Complying and then bringing a valid and credible case against the offending officer, winning a monetary settlement, and having that officer fired and possibly criminally charged is a good fight. Getting pissed at the cop who is probably trying to egg you on into a fight, getting into a fight and losing, and then having the cop lie and make it look like you were the agressor, I hardly call that an issue worth standing up for. If the cop is crooked enough to get you to fight him or her or to falsely arrest you, what makes you think they are not going to lie and say you started it? And what is the jury going to think when you admit to striking the officer, but only after he stuck first? I hope you are in a nice liberal district that never believes the testemony of a police officer over a citizen who fights cops.

What is the point of this thread? It sounds to me like you are trying to bait some of the pro-law enforcement posters on this board. Why? What point are you trying to make by showing us an article that is obviously biased and then showing us another article that shows that there are two sides to this story and unless you were there, you really don't know what happened. You certainly haven't convinced me of anything I didn't already know.

Maybe we ought to critisize the "old bat" here instead of the cops. Maybe instead of jumping up on the trailer and being beligerent, she might have done better to just sit down in the way of the trailer or on the trailer and not move. When the officers approached her, she could have asked them if they would please check on the status of her red trailer. Maybe the cop would have been kind to this 71 year old lady and made sure her wagon wasn't in the trailer and helped assure her that she would be alright. What does she do? She decides she is going to continue to do what she was doing in the first place, disregarding the law and the rules of the city. She chose to jump on the trailer. She chose to fight the officers. Why is anyone surprised she was restrained. When she chose to keep being hostile, who is surprised OC was administered. When she fought some more, who was surprised they stunned her?

I want to see a picture of this lady!
 
El Rojo

You know what else he does? He is always in the typing room using the type writers. There is no brail on these type writers.
I guess you never heard of touch typing. The keys on the typewriters are always in the same place regardless of whether it is a braille typewriter or a standard one.
I would bet money that not a single one of us here knows how bad her physical impairments are.
I'll take that bet. I can state unequivocally and with impunity that she is at least half blind. :D
 
She may have been a badass blind-fightin' granny, who knows. More likely, the cops knew they could do what they wanted, and they'd be damned if some citizen got in their way.
 
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