80 Weapons Stolen During Robbery

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My local gun shop locks all there firearms in a safe every night, and brings them out every morning. It seems to me their security was not very good.

You can bet their insurance companies will be forcing them to lock away their inventory at night and to improve the security system.
 
There was a gun store I patronized for the short period of time it was open that used to park a vehicle behind the store at night to block the back door from being accessed. Just pulled it in right up against the door. not fool proof by any means, but made it harder for the BGs. The guy bricked in the windows on the back of the store, but the FD would not let him brick up the door. Said he had to have two exits.

he had bars on his front windows, and a security gate across his front door.

IIRC, the biggest ripoff he ever encountered was his wife filing for divorce. tough to plan for that.
 
A couple of semi-local gun stores here have changed in the last few years.

Before when I went in there I would find racks of used rifles and shotguns in the aisle areas, lots of gear on the walls and on display stands, and the glass counter cases were stuffed full of handguns with new rifles and shotguns on wall racks behind the counter. Stacked boxes of ammo were arranged by caliber and weight an aisle or two over from the used gun racks.

Now, most of the aisle displays are gone, any used firearms are behind the counter hanging or standing, and the handgun count is maybe 5%-10% of what it used to be in the glass counter cases. There are also now various forms of cement or steel smash limiter barriers out front. The number of people in the store is also way down from just a few years ago. Their display handguns could probably be locked in a safe in less than 15 minutes each night.

As to what stores can do today? Put the gun shop up on a second story level with exterior stairways. And hopefully have a big walk-in safe with smaller safes inside, anything to slow down the thieves.
 
The guy bricked in the windows on the back of the store, but the FD would not let him brick up the door.

Brick won't stop determined thieves. Green Top Sporting Goods here in Richmond (the biggest gunstore in VA) had a big theft about a dozen years ago. Thieves didn't bother with the front door or the back door. They stole a tow truck and rammed it through the side of the building. Steel and concrete proved to be no match and the thieves made off with a boatload of handguns.
 
Brick won't stop determined thieves.
Yep. Best you can do is discourage them.

A friend of mine owns a coin store. years ago some thieves stole his safe. backed a tow truck through the front door, hooked up to the safe and carried off. less then 60 seconds. had it on video too. didn't do any good. never caught them.
 
How would gun store owners feel about keeping their personal gun collection in their store?
Might vary by owner and by store, but security probably would improve at some stores.
 
Lock Them Up!

Convicted criminals - not the guns! Most crimes of this nature are committed by people who have already been caught and convicted of other crimes. It is our "criminal justice" system that needs improvement; not gun store security.

My job is to protect the assets of my employer; I do this stuff for a living and have for almost 20 years. It is time to stop blaming the victim for not having a better "system" and start placing the blame where it belongs.

Try spending a day sitting in criminal court in any court house in the country and you might have a better understanding of what I mean.

From the description of what took place it would seem to me that the owner took plenty of precautions. Sure, you can always, "make it better" but that is often not practical.

Crime will go down when criminals are actually kept in prison instead of put back on the streets to commit more crimes.

John
Charlotte, NC
 
Lock up all the criminals and . . .
--I wouldn't need to lock my car or my house
--I wouldn't need to CC
--you'd be looking for a job

I think we need to work on a different angle. :)
 
9 gang members held in guns heist

just a follow up

http://www.thecitizen.com/~citizen0/node/24295

When a group of men stole 86 guns from Autrey’s Armory Dec. 5, they forgot to steal equally important parts: The magazines that hold and feed ammunition to the weapons.

Ultimately it was that faux pas that led to the arrest of all nine suspects tied to the smash-and-grab burglary of the gun store off Ga. Highway 314 at Bethea Drive, police announced Monday afternoon.

“They had to buy magazines to make them working guns,” said Investigator Josh Shelton of the Fayette County Sheriff’s Office.

Each of the nine are from Riverdale and are alleged members of the Southside Mafia gang, police said.

Only a few of the guns have been recovered so far. But now there’s a $2,000 reward for information leading to the location of the guns or information leading to the people in possession of the weapons.

As many as eight sheriff’s detectives worked on the case at any one time, pulling long days as they knocked on doors in Clayton County asking questions and looking for clues ... anything suspicious that might lead to the suspects.

From the start they had little to go on but a low-quality surveillance video that showed how methodically the group conducted the burglary, police said. It didn’t show any of their faces well enough to have any of the suspects identified, police said.

But the old-fashioned detective work paid off, as leads kept rolling until all nine suspects were arrested, Shelton said.

All have been ordered to be held in jail without bond pending their trial.

Fayette detectives said the cooperation from other law enforcement agencies was invaluable, particularly lauding the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, the Clayton County and DeKalb County police departments, the U.S. Marshals Southeastern Fugitive Task Force and federally licensed firearms dealers.

Although the nine suspects all face burglary charges, it’s possible they may be prosecuted at the federal level where it’s a crime to steal guns from a federally licensed firearms dealer, said ATF Special Agent Marc Jackson. He noted that the U.S. Attorney’s Office and the Fayette County District Attorney’s Office are involved with the case.

“Suffice it to say this investigation is far from over,” Jackson said.

Getting the stolen guns back is of significant importance because they are more likely to be used in crimes, Jackson said.

“Firearms enthusiasts don’t steal from gun dealers,” Jackson said. “Felons, gang members and juveniles do.”

One of the suspects arrested was 16 years old and is already serving a detention sentence, police said. The others arrested include Melvin “Melvo” Johnson, Kissan “Big Boy” Lynch, Roland “Gucchi” Williams, Brandon “Mickey Mouse” McClure, Fredrick “Fred” Anderson, Cornelius “Trigger Boy” Heard and Anthony “2 Tall” Alston.

Each was charged with felony burglary.

Alston turned himself in Monday morning after learning on the street that the fugitive task force was on his trail.

The suspects’ alleged connections to the Southside Mafia gang is significant in part because that gang was also implicated in the 2004 shooting at a Riverdale park that resulted in the death of a young child, police said.

The suspects used a stolen truck from Clayton County to pull the burglar bars off the business to gain entry. Once inside they smashed glass cases and used bolt cutters to wrest the guns free, tossing them into a plastic garbage can. The whole burglary lasted just a few minutes.

Shelton posted the surveillance video on YouTube in an effort to drum up tips from the community. In addition to the outstanding cooperation from other agencies, he also lauded the hard work of his fellow Fayette detectives.

“If not for these people working their tails off every day, it would not have gotten done,” Shelton said.

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I'm not going to say anything like "problem solved!", since it isn't. But this has been pretty much the most successful method of gunshop robbery for fifteen or more years.

Fortification of the store is probably the first step, since concrete and steel pipes are cheap, and it's obvious. The only gun store I ever went to all the time that never got robbed kept a Franchi Law 12 loaded with buck racked at either end of the gun counter. Then CT banned the Law 12... problem solved? Of course... pardon me, got to feed my little girl's unicorn another bale of rainbows...

But security cameras with night vision and good digital recorders are things you can get in a blister pack off the shelf at Costco now and set up yourself.
The gear is too cheap nowadays to be screwing around with some 1980's black and white monitor, lousy cameras, coax, and a VHS tape deck. Catching and convicting is a great baseline expectation to set for potential gun store robbers.
 
I am glad those idiots were caught .. I am wondering if they really tried to go back and buy magazines in the same area?? Or how they found them buying the magazines..
 
Darn, i just read through the whole thread...

Brick won't stop determined thieves. Green Top Sporting Goods here in Richmond (the biggest gunstore in VA) had a big theft about a dozen years ago. Thieves didn't bother with the front door or the back door. They stole a tow truck and rammed it through the side of the building. Steel and concrete proved to be no match and the thieves made off with a boatload of handguns.

.. and this is the incident I was going to bring up.
 
btg3,

How could this have been prevented?
What more could have been done? It's not like the doors were unlocked, or the security code was given.

Obviously security was lacking. If guns stores don't step up to the plate and provide whatever security is necessary, then might we expect increased security to be legislated? If so, it could be very expensive such that some stores would close and others pass the cost along.

Security wasn't lacking. This guy had hardened doors that are made to resist burglary. The problem is, the crooks used the tried and true method of "apply enough force to the problem and the problem gets sovled." How do you defend against crooks using a truck to literally rip the door and their frames right out of the building? This is the age old battle of safe-keeping technology vs. safe-cracking technology. At what point do you say this is secure enough?
 
At what point do you say this is secure enough?

Exactly, sounds like reasonable measures were in place...

Much more, and it seems that people want to lay the blame from the criminal off onto the shop owner...

Extra security costs more $$
 
lets also not forget, if you trun the place into fort knox every night, Nothing is stoping them from doing the same thing druing the day. Only then the chances of it turning into a gun battle is very high. Or better yet, grab the guy with the keys/ alarm code when they are coming in or leaving.
 
it’s possible they may be prosecuted at the federal level where it’s a crime to steal guns from a federally licensed firearms dealer

Here's part of the problem.

"They may be prosecuted" for a federal crime.

What's the sense in having laws if they will not be enforced.

I would rather have seen,
Since its a federal crime to steal guns from a federally licensed firearms dealers, federal prosecutors will be handling the case and prosecuting to the fullest extent of the law for a maximum sentence.
We know that illegal guns on the street are used in crimes and we need to put a stop to that and put the crimminals behind bars for a long time.


Then again maybe the tooth fairy will visit the next time I loose a tooth.
 
Awwww. "Southside Mafia". What a cute little name for cute little boys who are now some dude's lapdancers.

If I were them, I wouldn't use the term "southside" in the prison showers.

I get a kick out of all these "mafia" references these ghetto idiots use. Three minutes in a room with Lucky Luciano and they'd piss all over themselves.

What ever happened to the good ole days when gansters wore suits?
 
Masterofmalice would it make them better people if they wore suits and when did luckie luciano become someone to hold anyone up to he was a murderer, a pimp, a drug dealer etc.
a thug is a thug, in a suit or saggy pants
 
I'm glad those guys got caught, Autrey's is a good shop run by good people. I was in there a couple weeks after the robbery (looking to buy my first sig) and they were obviously frustrated about having to rebuild their inventory. Several times they'd go "well, we've got...dang, no wait, we don't."

Not at all surprising if you live on the southside that the culprits were from Riverdale. I've never seen one town infiltrate and destroy another so quickly.
 
I live near there

I live about 3 miles from where the robbery took place. Autrey's is a class 3 dealer with a decent indoor range. I'm surprised the morons, didn't get the Class 3 suppressors for the AR15 and 9mm MAC, and full auto M16s and MACs, and Glocks that they had. Now those would've really been worth a lot of money on the street. More valuable than the handguns they stold.

It's always these thugs from Clayton County, doing a majority of the crime in Fayette County.
 
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