91 % of Americans support gun background checks: Poll

[Tomcat47]

Ok, So I just seen this headline on news feed ( A POLL ) and have heard it for the last few weeks.....:banghead:

Am I missing something by not being anti-gun / anti-gun media!

What is that sheet I have filled out every time I purchase a firearm for last 3 decades?

Oh! That's a background check!

I just do not buy any of there polls... and you know why.... Because the working class pro 2A gun owners do not participate in them!

 

[12131]

I think there's a thread already running on this topic.

 

[newfalguy101]

What is that sheet I have filled out every time I purchase a firearm for last 3 decades

It's NOT a background check

 

[r1derbike]

Well. Statistics taken from ignorant people are, well, ignorant. They're not told the real "Universal Background Check" atrocity. Therefore, they vote in ignorance.

 

[Tomcat47]

Well I was incorrect about 3 decades.... But NICS is a background check...

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS

Mandated by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993 and launched by the FBI on November 30, 1998, NICS is used by Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs) to instantly determine whether a prospective buyer is eligible to buy firearms or explosives.

Does anyone know the year they started Form 4473? I know I have filled one out for 3 decades, but looks like NICS portion only came about as stated above.

 

[Al Thompson]

Way too easy to make a poll reflect anything desired, so I trust none of them.

I find it easy to ask someone who supports UBCs if they have a problem applying that to voting or publishing a newspaper or buying a car.

 

[buck460XVR]

Well I was incorrect about 3 decades.... But NICS is a background check...

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS



Does anyone know the year they started Form 4473? I know I have filled one out for 3 decades, but looks like NICS portion only came about as stated above.

I believe it became mandatory with the passage of the GCA in 1968. The form 4473 is not the background check....it is a Firearms Transaction Record. While it does list the NICS transaction number, the Form 4473 also contains name, address, date of birth, government-issued photo ID, and the make/model/serial number of the firearm. Then there's the short federal affidavit stating that the purchaser is eligible to purchase firearms under federal law.

 

[newfalguy101]

Well I was incorrect about 3 decades.... But NICS is a background check...

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS



Does anyone know the year they started Form 4473? I know I have filled one out for 3 decades, but looks like NICS portion only came about as stated above.

NICS is indeed a background check, however, it is NOT a universal background, as it only applies to purchases from a licensed dealer.

There is also a variety of LEGAL ways to bypass the NICS check, State police check, state issued permits, etc...


4473's, I am fairly certian are because ofthe GCA of '68, NICS has been in use for 10ish years.

 

[c1ogden]

Ever notice how the results of almost every poll fit right in with the agenda of the group that's paying for the poll?

Polls are frequently structured with leading (and misleading) questions or answer choices. The truth can be discerned by watching what people do not by listening to what they say. People vote with their feet and their wallets. They are moving out of corrupt anti-gun states and they are buying guns and ammo in record numbers. The real Americans have spoken!

 

[medalguy]

Well, maybe what the 90% of respondents really meant was they supported the NICS check that they went through when they bought their gun. You know how the libs like to twist and contort gun statistics to suit their own means.

 

[Gaucho Gringo]

When I was in college in the late 60's my math professor said statistics can say anything you want it to say. Depending on the way the questions are asked and the method used to interpret the data you could come out with the results you wanted. This guy was no inbred academic idiot. He was in his late 60's, looked and was built kind of like John Wayne, and taught his students more about the truths of life than 100 other professor's could. He would get off on a tangent about a subject totally away from mathematics, but pertaining to life and would sit in the edge of any handy desk and talk away about his experiences and what he had done in his life. He was spellbinding but before class ended he would call out the next assignments and he expected it to be done. No sloughing off just because he had digressed. He had been a lumberjack, hunting guide, bartender, sailor, railroad worker and a few other occupations that I have forgot in his younger days. Just looking at his hands and face you could tell. It wasn't until his mid 40's that he went back to college and got the necessary degrees, he told us that he was getting too old to work anymore. I always assumed he was a gun owner and often thought he carried too. Today I realize I learned more from him than all the other professors combined. America needs more teachers like him. I hadn't thought about him in years until I read this thread. There are lies, dammed lies and statistics.

 

[lobo9er]

newfalguy101 do you support the universal back ground check?

 

[newfalguy101]

Only for criminals..................afterall, "thats the only people it effects" ( insert eye roll here )



for those sarcasm imparied, NO I do NOT support universal BC's

 

[76shuvlinoff]

I bet 100% of people don't want to get murdered.

Polls, I got a poll for em.

 

[bushmaster1313]

I think the number is accurate.

Close to 100% of non-gun people want the checks and a high number of gun people do too.

 

[JohnKSa]

I think that what's happening is that people are being asked very general (or potentially misleading) questions and the answers are then being interpreted very specifically.

I think most people think that the existing background checks are a good idea and support them, and the question is probably worded so that's how people interpret it when they're answering it.

What I don't believe is that most people support EXPANDING background checks, and that is probably how the results are being "spun".

In other words, if someone were to ask a typical gun owner if he thought background checks on gun purchases are a good idea, he might very well answer that question in the affirmative. What he would mean would be that he didn't really see a need to change the current NICS approach to buying guns from FFL holders.

But it's entirely possible that the person asking the question really wants to know about expanding background checks to include ALL gun transactions and might interpret the gun owner's affirmative response as support for his agenda.

 

[76shuvlinoff]

The background checks we already have should be enough.

 

[Halal Pork]

As others mentioned, part of the perceived support for these restrictions is due to misrepresentation of the issue. "Universal background checks" or "closing the gun show loophole" sounds a lot more reasonable than "prohibition of private sale or transfer without prior government approval." If someone proposed a new regulation that every adult would have to begin every day with a sharp kick to the groin, and the policy was put forward as the "Happy Sunshine Common Sense Policy", you could probably get a poll showing 90% support.

ETA:

Here's a response from GOA:

Link

 

[Dean Weingarten]

As others mentioned, part of the perceived support for these restrictions is due to misrepresentation of the issue. "Universal background checks" or "closing the gun show loophole" sounds a lot more reasonable than "prohibition of private sale or transfer without prior government approval." If someone proposed a new regulation that every adult would have to begin every day with a sharp kick to the groin, and the policy was put forward as the "Happy Sunshine Common Sense Policy" you could probably get a poll showing 90% support.

Exactly correct. The same poll shows NRA members supporting "universal background checks", but the internal polling at the NRA shows that 89 percent of members oppose universal background checks.

Another way of considering this, is that the NRA approval numbers are greater than the President's.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

The Universal Background Check is being sold by the lie that "40% of gun sales are AKs and ARs at gun shows without a background check" (and if you have not heard that you have not been listening) and the lie that that had something to do with the Aurora or Newton shootings.

The survey that gave the 40% figure was the National Survey on Private Ownership and use of Firearms (NSPOF). The total survey sample was 2,568 of whom 251 said they had "acquired" not "bought" but acquired firearms in the preceding two years.

Yes, 60% of gun acquisitions were sold and bought at gun stores, which would be subject to background checks.

But the 40% non-store gun acquisitions were were not all gun "sales" w/o background checks and were not at gun shows.

13% were private gun sales.
19% were gifts, usually family or friends.
3% were swaps or trades.
5% were inhertitances.

And of all dealer and private sales sources, gun shows + flea markets were 4% of the total.

And the Bureau of Justice Statistics BJS felon survey of over 14,000 convicts found that 18% of the felons ever owned guns, and of the subset of felons who said they owned guns, less than 1% said the gun was obtained at a gun show.

So gunshows are less than 4% of all firearms acquistions among the general public, and less than 1% of all firearms acquisitions among armed felons, but we must stampede into Universal Background checks for all private sales of used guns, gifts, swaps and trades, and inheritances, because of a misrepresentation of a 40% survey figure.

The big problem with most of our gun laws is that they are based on fictions. The 40% is such a fiction.

 

[Sav .250]

Wording of the poll question is very important. Looking for the desired answer .You need to ask the right question.

 

[OilyPablo]

I saw that number as well........and I went looking for the actual question asked in that poll. I could not find it.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

^That is why James Wright pointed out you need to know the spiel given by the pollster to introduce the question, plus the wording of the question.

In his book, "Under the Gun" 1983, Wright analysed two gun polls that gave seemingly diametrically opposed results, but when closely examined, showed both samples supported something in between the spin put on the poll reportage in the media.

 

[gc70]

That is why James Wright pointed out you need to know the spiel given by the pollster to introduce the question, plus the wording of the question.

Here is a great example from an AP-GfK Poll conducted in January 2013:

• I’m going to read some ways people have been feeling about the shooting deaths at a school in Connecticut last month. For each one, please tell me whether the statement represents your very deepest feeling, a feeling that was somewhat deep, whether the statement had crossed your mind, or whether it never occurred to you.
  • Wondered if you could really be safe anywhere these days
  • Felt ashamed that this could happen in our country
  • Worried about how the shooting would affect gun laws in this country
  • Felt there may be too many guns in this country
  • Felt angry that anyone should do such a terrible deed
  • Felt the deaths could have been prevented
• Should gun laws in the United States be made more strict, less strict or remain as they are?
• Please tell me if you favor, oppose or neither favor nor oppose each of the following policies. (list omitted)

After the people being polled are reminded to be afraid and ashamed, guns are suggested as the problem, further reminders to be angry and to want to 'do something' ... they then get a laundry list of gun control options. In that environment, is it any surprise that people would be predisposed to be in favor of the 'solutions' presented.

Whenever I read a poll, I remember the corporate motto of the polling firm that did the infamous "74% of NRA members favor background checks" poll for Mayors Against Illegal Guns:

it’s not what you say
it’s what people hear​