Background Checks

[Pat-inCO]

I find it amazing that so many people are anti-gun while doing nothing but yell and whine about it. For example: I just pulled the statistics on background checks (from http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/guns.htm A.K.A. the feds) and during 1999 to 2003 there were 125,296 people rejected for gun purchases, yet only eight thousand were arrested.

Where are all of these people that hate guns? Why are they ignoring those that willfully violate our laws? Can you say hypocrite?

How do we go about "helping" them see why they are so completely distrusted? In a "High Road" approach, how do we get the anti-gun people doing what we know is needed? Specifically, prosecution of the guilty.

Think about the ramifications! Anti-gun people that look at gun issues from at least a little more accurate perspective. Think about an anti-gun person that suddenly says (at least to himself) "WHOA! These people may have something!

That doesn't mean they will suddenly become pro-2A, but it sure could reduce the anti-gun rhetoric, and do that by simply giving the anti-gun people something useful (to both sides) to do. - - - - - - NAH! Couldn't happen. Far too many people want to whine about something rather than doing anything positive. :banghead:

 

[John828]

Where are all of these people that hate guns?

Probably waiting for the "government" to do something about it. Unfortunately, I think that for them, "government of the people, by the people, for the people," has perished from the earth.

For them it is just government of the people, for the people. Pretty soon, maybe a generation or two, when people forgot they were "a government by the people," it will just be a "government of the people, for the government," e.g., tyranny.

 

[Car Knocker]

during 1999 to 2003 there were 125,296 people rejected for gun purchases, yet only eight thousand were arrested.

Of those rejected, how many were rejected because of an error in the database and were subsequently approved?

 

[Pat-inCO]

Of those rejected, how many were rejected because of an error in the database and were subsequently approved?

No way to know from the Fed's statistics.

From the number of "I was rejected" threads on various boards and the "reasons" they give, I'd have to guess far less than 50% which would still leave over 75,000 that had valid rejections. Or about 1,500 per week.

The main point is to get the anti-gun people working to further their own goals, all the while doing all of us a favor - convicting the criminals.

 

[Picard]

Does getting a rejection on a government background check warrant an arrest? What if someone made a mistake somewhere?

 

[misANTHrope]

Does getting a rejection on a government background check warrant an arrest? What if someone made a mistake somewhere?

Just getting denied by NICS is not automatic grounds for arrest. This is a good thing when you consider that erroneous denials happen. Now, if you knowingly lied when you answered the questions, then you are guilty of perjury.

 

[Geronimo45]

Does getting a rejection on a government background check warrant an arrest?

No. Some folks who are denied just have outstanding warrants against 'em (and don't think NICS'll notice it, I guess).

 

[Gunnerpalace]

Another cause of denials are close names, we have a member here who's friend shares the same name as his brother...brother is a felon, he had to get in touch with his congress critter to get things figured out,

It also does not help if your name is Charles Manson or any other Felon.

 

[VARifleman]

I have a friend who went to court because of a rejection. Cost him 1500 bucks because the cops didn't read their paperwork. The background check system is a scam and can't be shown to do anything but cause headache.

 

[flag2442]

I dont work in a gun store but most of the denials I have heard about are due to past arrests that may not exclude you from buying a firearm but more research is required and they are normally aproved within a few days. Also having a injunction or order of protection show up may also cause a delay which also requires research to see if that order denies your purchase or possessions of firearms and ammunition. I recently learned that being current or ex military can cause you problems if you had some type of classified access or clearance.

I would take all goverment data with a grain of salt. It is always done in their favor. Look we stopped x number of gun sales using the background check but they dont explain that 90%+ were probably later approved.

Flag2442

 

[HKUSP45C]

Of course my take on it is: The background check system is fundamentally flawed and an abridgement of my right to privacy, it should be dismantled.

There, no more problem.

 

[Standing Wolf]

What if you needed to pass a government cleanliness test before you could vote? What if you needed to pass a government cleanliness test before you could buy books and magazines? What if you needed to pass a government cleanliness test before you could sign up for an internet connection or buy a cellular telephone? What if you needed to pass a government cleanliness test before you could buy a car? What if you needed to pass a government cleanliness test before you could enroll in school?

Yeah. Right. Those are different.

 

[Pat-inCO]

Well, . . . . . . It's obvious no one understands my point.

Several have said "NICS is flawed" (or something like that). OK, how do we fix that? By getting attention focused on it to the level that it can be fixed. GOOD! How do we do that? By getting someone else (the anti-gun group(s)) to propose it. It then becomes their baby to supply the money (YEA, I KNOW, we will end up paying a lot of it). But THEY will need to justify - exactly - what we want!

Anybody home?

 

[Soybomb]

Several have said "NICS is flawed" (or something like that). OK, how do we fix that?

You can't. You will never be able to eliminate the false positive that inhibit the 2nd amendment rights of legal gun owners and you'll never get criminals to care about buying guns legally. NICS can never be what it people want not because its broken but because its impossible.