911 calls going unanswered

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Call 911, maybe someone will help you... or not.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/24/tennessee.911.ap/index.html

911 calls not answered as operators take breaks together, study shows
Caller: "I just don't trust them"

Friday, March 24, 2006; Posted: 12:01 p.m. EST (17:01 GMT)

Manage Alerts | What Is This? CHATTANOOGA, Tennessee (AP) -- Thousands of calls to Chattanooga's 911 call center have been going unanswered, according to records examined after a caller was unable to report a kitchen fire because three of four dispatchers were taking breaks at the same time.

Stacey Hunter and her family members called 911 from her home phone and cellular phones Monday afternoon when the fire broke out, but the calls went unanswered. Finally, Artterius Bonds, and 14-year-old nephew, Quayshaune Fountain, ended up running a half mile to get help from the fire station. No one was hurt.

"If they hadn't gone running, my house would have completely burned up," Hunter, 34, said as she stood in her scorched kitchen.

Chattanooga Police Chief Steve Parks, who oversees employees of the Hamilton County Emergency Communications District, said the department was responsible for the unanswered calls.

One dispatcher was taking calls and three others working the shift were taking a break, the chief said. He described the situation as an unacceptable failure of the 911 system.

But records indicate the problem is more widespread.

During one 10-month period, from January to October 2005, about 27,000 calls to city dispatchers at the 911 center went unanswered, police spokesman Tetzell Tillery said. Last month 20 percent -- about 2,000 -- of more than 10,650 calls placed were not answered, he said.

Officials said the count includes numerous caller hang-ups and repeated calls.

On Monday, records show there were 22 unanswered calls to the 911 service in the 27-minute period when the fire was burning. Six came from Hunter's residence.

"You've got four people supposed to be dispatching and three people on break. I can't still digest that," Hunter said.

Personnel shortage 'causing problems'
Police said there are 68 communications positions, with two added in the last fiscal year, and the center needs 78 people to be fully staffed.

The call center's oversight board said they would commission a study aimed at possibly reorganizing and consolidating call taking.

The board chairman, Hamilton County Sheriff John Cupp, said "there is a shortage of personnel and a lot of times when there is a shortage of personnel you have problems organizing things."

County commissioners and City Council members said unanswered calls were unacceptable and would be corrected. Sally Robinson, chairman of the Chattanooga City Council, said she did not realize so many calls were being missed.

"We have a responsibility to staff it to a level that makes it work, 24-7," Robinson said.

Not everyone agrees there is a staffing problem, however.

Chattanooga Mayor Ron Littlefield said the 911 call center has the "resources they need" and should have had more people on when Hunter's call was not answered.

The Tennessee Emergency Communications Board may ask to hear from representatives of the Hamilton County district if there is a problem with service, said Lynn Quistel, the board's executive director.

But staffing issues are a local matter, she said. Local oversight boards determine staffing levels and are not required to provide backup rollover numbers.

Bleeding man says no one came
Patrick Halley, a spokesman for Washington, D.C.-based National Emergency Numbers Association, said there are more than 6,100 911 call centers across the country and there is "no national standard as far as how long it should take" to answer a call.

The Chattanooga call center has had other problems.

Hoyt Branham, who lives in northern Hamilton County, said that in October 2004 he severed an artery in his arm while working in his shop. He called 911 in Chattanooga, told them he was bleeding profusely and provided his location. But no one showed up.

Branham, 70, said he was alone and getting weak, so he called neighbors and his daughter ended up taking him to the hospital. He said 911 operators later denied that he called, but a review of their recording equipment showed he did.

"I just don't trust them," Branham said.
 
We have that problem alot here in Portland. My sister used to have a bf that was hard to get rid of and we had to call 911 a few times on him. Often it would take 20+ minutes just to get an answer. Then when I had a problem the other day I called the non-emergency line and never did get an answer.
 
Wolf, although this particular instance was a failure of the people, if the people fail, the system fails as well.

Sounds like they need to rework their employee policies. But that's pretty poor comfort for people who have had their house burn down, suffered a heart attack, or been beaten/raped/killed/etc.
 
Its a failure of both. The 911 calls are supposed to "roll over" to next closet 911 center. That is if the system is up to date.
Sounds like they are way behind the ball on 911. Calltakers should always be trained to give first aid over the phone.
The calltakers there suck period. Thats the problem with agencies with the attitude that 911 calltaker's are receptionsist for the PD. The command structure needs to evaluate other 911 centers that are much more professional.
 
Sounds like it might be a good idea to have the direct numbers for ambulance, fire and police programmed into the phone, though I notice one post above says calling the police directly didn't work either.
 
This is what happens when you combine low-paying-job-skills types with important work to be done.

Greg
 
Anti:"Why do you carry a gun? That's why we have police."
Me: "Because I live in Chattanooga ."
It was a break down all the way around. They have people in the call center that just respond to calls from Chattanooga. Others just handle Hamilton County etc. What gets me is if the the Chatt. person is on break and the phone is ringing off the hook is the Hamilton Co. person just too lazy to answer it? It is a 911 call center for crying out loud.
 
Anyone that lives in Northern California is probably aware that this happens ALL THE TIME if you call 911 over a cellphone. Your calls get routed to the DPS emergency switchboard somewhere in Vallejo I think, and apparently there's never enough people there...
 
Nitrogen, a UC Berkeley officer giving a speach about safety during my orientation there a few years ago specifically told students to NOT dial 911 from their cellphone because it was a waste of time to talk to that CHP center in Vallejo. He said to call the campus police line directly.
 
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I wish people would comprehend that the police will not be there in a life threaten situation. My manager is an ex-SF sheriff. He's anti-gun. Which still blew me away. He was talking to one of our attorneys and he made a statement of "there is no place for guns in a civilized society". Okay who's definition of civilized?
 
The local government here (Chattanooga) is having some serious issues. Lot of corruption, infighting, and just general incompetence.

Nice to see the national circut put pressure on them, we seem to not be placing enough ourselves. Here is the local story:

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_82402.asp

It is government, it cannot protect us, thankfully we are free enough to protect ourselves, at times.
 
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Our little county only has one dispatcher on duty at a time (and often only one deputy as well). I have no idea when or how he/she takes a potty break


Takes the cordless phone in the bathroon with him/her ?????
Well, he/she would also have to take a portable radio as well, since the same person answers the 2 phones (911 and regular number) plus does all the radio dispatch and subject/vehicle lookups for sheriff/fire/ambulance and hiway patrol in the area.:uhoh:

Dispatch isn't really the problem here, even though they are poorly paid and trained. The real problem is often (usually) there is only one deputy on duty per shift. We live 25 miles (about 30-40 minutes) from town, and the likelihood is that if I ever really needed LEO help the sole deputy would be chasing kids with loud mufflers up and down main street, or at an accident or traffic stop clear at one of the other ends of the county. They don't patrol out here at all - they only come out here on a call or to serve papers.

So we are really on our own (which is fine by me anyway).
 
When I was clicking on this thread, I thought "wouldn't it be funny if this was from here?" And then it was. Fortunately, I know 911 calls in my town are routed through Catoosa County, which has actual SOs as dispatchers (my Dad used to be one about 12 years ago). I does make me worry about my girlfriend in East Ridge, though. Everytime she's had to call the police about anything, it's taken 20 to 30 minutes for them to arrive. And you can see the East Ridge PD from her porch.

Really reinforces the fact that you have to provide for your own defense...
 
Nitrogen, a UC Berkeley officer giving a speach about safety during my orientation there a few years ago specifically told students to NOT dial 911 from their cellphone because it was a waste of time to talk to that CHP center in Vallejo. He said to call the campus police line directly.
911 does indeed raise the nearby CHP center, but all that is necessary for the caller to do is say, "Connect me with Xxxxxx County dispatch, or the Xxxxxx Police dispatch center." It is a one button transfer of the telephone call.

Pilgrim
 
Our little county only has one dispatcher on duty at a time (and often only one deputy as well). I have no idea when or how he/she takes a potty break

I've been there. He/She doesn't. I've peed in a bottle or right in the grass a few steps from the console many times.
 
I really just don't trust 911 anymore.

That's why I'm ARMED, of course...but it's also why I chose an apartment building built less than a couple years ago. There's sprinklers in every room, every closet, on the patio, in the heater-A/C compartment, everywhere. I sleep a little better knowing that if a neighbor does something stupid with a cigarette, it's likely their apartment will look like a scene from Titanic even if 911 is slow to respond.

Need to make decisions for safety that don't depend on superheros magically arriving when needed.
 
Why do three people have to go on break together!?! Why can't one go at a time. How much you want to bet they are on a break or yapping on the phone most of the workday. We had a change in management where I work (hospital lab) and it's gone downhill in the last few years. The people that are supposed to be answering the phone and delivering specimens are yapping all the time or going on breaks while specimens pile up at the front desk. Management is weak and cannot see the situation because they are easily swayed by smoke being blown up their collective butts. As long as we are performing the required "scripting" they think the work is actaully getting done. It is poliitcally incorrect to hold individuals responsible for their actions. As long as you agree with everything the managment says it really doesn't matter if you work at all!!! As a matter of fact if you make a simple job look more difficult you are applauded for doing more "work".

You would have to see it to believe it.
 
Sounds like poor management to me. Thank goodness here in Cobb County GA our public safety is excellent. Our 911 center is amazing, and constantly winning awards. I've worked as a police officer for a dept that had only one call taker / 911 operator, and well, when they needed a break, they'd call one of the officers in...and yes, they did have cordless phones, and portable radios.

It is poor management...If we made due, so can they. Actually 911 centers are amazing places. VERY difficult to be a 911 operator and I have a ton of respect for them. I know of many situations when a 911 operator has saved someone's life due to over the phone infant CPR, or other instructions.
 
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