95 or 115 gr bullet?

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I just bought a Glock 43 (9mm). It's a tiny sub compact, 3.5" barrel for those not familiar with Glocks. I want to develop a light soft shooting fun load for playing around and an occasional IDPA bug match our club has. I'd like about a 100 power factor.
I have 8pds of 231 and 2.5 pds of AA5 I'd like to use for this, preferably to AA5 to get rid of it first. What bullet weight would work best with these, 95 or 115. Thanks.
 
Why would you shoot a subcompact in a match that requires power factor that's curious
IDPA rules for BUG division include semi-auto and revolver sizes and a PF of 95. The 43 fits that and has a capacity restriction so you don’t need to extend your 43’s mags.
I’ve loaded 147’s RMR FPMW with 3.2gr of W244 at 1.120 and that had a 120 PF out of a P226. Now, obviously 244 is NOT 231, and the 226 has extra barrel over the 43 so I’d start at the minimum 231 load and see what you have, it’ll probably be close. My AA5 work ups only included 124gr RMRs, so I don’t have any 147 data. Good luck!
 
Glock 43 (9mm). It's a tiny sub compact, 3.5" barrel ... light soft shooting fun load for playing around and an occasional IDPA bug match ... 100 power factor ... 231 ... decided to go with 147 instead.
With 147 gr bullet, to produce 100 power factor, you need higher than 680 fps.

My soft shooting 9mm reference load is 147 gr bullet with 3.5 gr of W231/HP-38, which cycles all different pistols I have used and is pretty accurate load - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/9mm-147-gr-lead-bullet-powder-comparison.748940/

Here are available W231 load data I found for 147 gr bullet:
  • 147 gr Hornady XTP W231 COL 1.100" Start 3.0 gr (755 fps) - Max 3.4 gr (845 fps) - http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol
  • 147 gr Speer TMJ W231 OAL 1.115" Start 3.5 gr (855 fps) - Max 4.1 gr (957 fps) - Lyman #49
If you want to go below 3.5 gr with W231/HP-38, how low you could go will depend on the recoil spring rate of Glock 43. Knowing the stiffer recoil spring rate of my Shield 9mm (subcompact with 3.1" barrel), my guess is not too far below 3.5 gr to reliably cycle your Glock 43 recoil spring. Perhaps you could go down to 3.3 gr, maybe 3.2 gr and still reliably cycle the slide.

So "work down" (Instead of work up) from 3.5 gr and test 3.4, 3.3 and 3.2 gr to see which charge reliably cycles the slide and still maintain acceptable level of accuracy, especially if you want to shoot IDPA matches.


Another thing to consider when going below published start charge is efficiency of powder burn and consistency of chamber pressures which translates to accuracy.

To me, W231/HP-38 is the reference powder that separates faster burning powders and slower burning powders - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/powder-shape-and-burn-rate.852012/

To load lighter than W231/HP-38 start charges while still maintaining efficient powder burn for consistent chamber pressures to produce accuracy, you would need to use faster burning powders.

In my 147 gr powder comparison thread, I used 3.5 gr of W231/HP-38 as reference benchmark with felt recoil number of (5) with (10) being equivalent to factory Winchester white box. 3.1-3.3 gr of fast burning Promo (Same as Red Dot burn rate) produced lighter felt recoil of (4) but needed to use 3.3-3.5 of Promo with felt recoil of (5) to equal accuracy of 3.5 gr of W231/HP-38 load.

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2.7 gr of Bullseye produced very light felt recoil (3) while still reliably cycling the slide and produced comparable accuracy to 3.5 gr W231/HP-38 load. So Bullseye would be my choice to produce lightest felt recoil load that would still reliably cycle the slide and produce accuracy.

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With Titegroup which burns "relatively" slower than Red Dot/Promo and Bullseye (But faster than W231/HP-38), 3.1 gr produced comparable felt recoil (5) and accuracy load as 3.5 gr of W231/HP-38. Yes, I do like "hot and violent" burning Titegroup for 9mm as it produces more accurate loads than W231/HP-38 for me.

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OK, thanks guys. I was trying to use up what powder I had that I consider extra. I normally shoot my pcc (that's all I shoot) using WSF. I have my LNL all set up for that and don't want to change it. I was going to set up my Lee classic turret for this new gun. With your info I'm sure I can figure it out now.
 
I made up some really light loads in 9mm with 100gr bullets and HP38.
I would say use the 95s.

I started at 4gr and worked up until I got 100% function. (about 4.2 for all my guns)
As I recall that was about 1000fps.

For light stuff a faster powder is better.
 
Yeah, I didn't explain that did I. I got to thinking about it and two things came to mind. A lighter bullet seems to work better (maybe debatable) with a faster powder and mine is not that fast, and, lighter bullets with more powder often have more perceived recoil (snap) than heavier bullets. Again debatable.
Anyway, I have some ordered from RMR and whenever they get here I'll play.
 
I bought a bunch of 95gr JHP intended for my .380 ACP loads, and the few I loaded for that purpose shot really nicely for me. Sadly, I came across some recipes for 9mm with 95gr projectiles and thought I’d give it a try.
It turned out to be so much fun shooting those mouse farts out of my 9s that I used up nearly all of my bullets.
I received a fresh order of 95gr just before the shortages, and immediately loaded up 600 rds of ..380. I’ll stick with the heavier bullets for my 9s, and leave the 95s for my .380s.
 
Since you have the 95s already I would give some a try then you can decide it you want to go that way or with 147s.,
never know until you try.

If you have AA#5 to burn up you could give it a try with those95s,
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Never used AA#5 with 95s but I would say start around .380 MAX charge in 9mm for mouse farts and adjust for function.
Maybe somewhere around 5gr. (sheer guess but 5.3 would probably get you around 1000fps)
 
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