98 mauser as a custom target rifle?

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So my latest gun show prize is a 98 large ring mauser (preduzece 44 on the side of breech possible checz?) its been sporterized and done quite well. its been reblued and the barrell has been shaved of the sights drilled and tapped with a 3-9 simmons. its in a butler creek monte carlo stock and has a timney trigger that breaks at a crisp 2 1/2 pounds or so. now the stock 8X57 barrel has and exceptional bore and throat but at best its like inch and a half at 100m with the special recipe.

so what about yanking this barrel and installing a heavy target barrell? i have no experience at building target rifles but i have owned some factory heavy barreld rifles (110 savage 223, 700vs 308, and sendero 300 chinwester mag.)

ive heard that its hit or miss (no pun intended) if a custom heavy barrel rifle with shoot in one ragged hole. i know the big names for custom barrels (douglas shillen etc) but does anyone have any expereince or comments? ideas or is this a lost project?
 
keeperofthehills,

Mausers typically don't make for good target rifles for a couple reasons. 1. The lock time on a Mauser is EXTREMELY long, and 2. the receiver is weakened by the thumb cutout on the left side for using stripper clip. If you're going to go to all the trouble of building a nice target rifle, I would suggest you build on either a Model 70 or Model 700 platform.

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Tell you what I'd do to it, and this is just me... yank the scope, rings, and bases... drill and tap and mount a Williams FP/TK and the appropriate height front sight... I'd probably put a 17A on as I'm liking the one I'm using on my Remington .22 rifle. Trading the scope for irons means you can use the clip guide if this is more along the "scout rifle" lines, but keep in mind these are target match sights. If you want a different chambering like .308 or .30-06 or something, I'd go with a Wilson barrel... their's are air guaged and most of their's don't seem to me as expensive as the other brands. Then, I'd pick a stock that fits me better than a monte carlo. But remember, I did say all this is just me and my thoughts.

BTW, this rifle ain't originally a Yugo. It's originally a German K98k that the Yugoslavian's captured, re-arsenalled and re-issued sometime in 1944.
 
Hogwash.

Mausers typically don't make for good target rifles for a couple reasons. 1. The lock time on a Mauser is EXTREMELY long, and 2. the receiver is weakened by the thumb cutout on the left side for using stripper clip. If you're going to go to all the trouble of building a nice target rifle, I would suggest you build on either a Model 70 or Model 700 platform.

Talk the talk, or walk the walk. I've got a Krieger-barreled 1916 Haenel 98 Mauser in 6.5-06 that shoots 1/4 MOA, and I got the idea to build it from many other target-grade Mausers I've seen in the last 30 years or so. This particular Mauser centerpunched a golfball cold-bore first shot at 500 meters, I've still got the ball and the article in the November '99 Tactical Shooter magazine that tells the story. Nor am I totally biased or ignorant of what makes a good target rifle, I have a Remington 700 PSS which shoots groups almost as tight as the wildcat Mauser above. The Remington is cheaper to tweak, but the Mauser is more fun, and has a nice in-your-face personality on F-Class competition day.

Now, about the supposed negatives of the 98 Mauser action: If one is so worried about lock time on a 98 Mauser, simply get the Tubb Speedlock kit, and a decent trigger. I have both the Speedlock striker/spring kit, and a Canjar trigger. I've never felt handicapped at all by the allegedly slow locktime.

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Likewise, if that receiver is so darned weak because of the thumb cutout, we'd be hearing about it from two world wars' worth of casualties when the receiver let go or at least caused the Axis concern because of the sloppy shooting characteristics. For anybody but the most serious benchrester with a Nesika Bay or Stolle Panda rig, the 98 Mauser is quite suitable for target work. Even the less refined precursor to the 98 Mauser, namely the Swedish 96 Mauser, garnered a well-deserved reputation for stellar accuracy straight from the Carl Gustaf and Oberndorf plants. Truthfully, with that big forged lump of German steel, receiver flex is a non-issue. Bolt lockup when in battery is an issue, as is proper chambering and headspacing. While Mausers may be loose as a goose when the bolt is wide open, they're secure as a Swiss bank vault when closed, if properly smithed, and that's where it counts. (We don't fire rifles with bolts open where I come from)

Where people get their panties in a wad with respect to 98 Mauser target/precision/varmint/rebuilds is the cost of conversion. That complaint, if you can call it that, is somewhat valid. 9 times out of 10, it'll be cheaper to buy a Remington 700/Savage 110/Ruger 77 rifle and commence tweaking. (Forget the Winchester Model 70, now that it and the Winchester Model 94 are discontinued) Then there are the collectors, like myself, who are loathe to cut up or otherwise discombobulate a nice original specimen of a military Mauser. That leaves mongrel Mausers, those that Bubba already took a hacksaw to, or loose actions that float around in desk drawers until the late owner's widow finally sells it at a yard sale as a paperweight or through a friend of a friend. (Don't laugh, there are a bunch out there)

Regardless, with a military Mauser action, one has to drill and tap the receiver, change the safety lever to a low-swing model, forge or weld the bolt handle to clear the scope, blueprint and square the receiverface and barrel threads, fit a new barrel, cut the chamber, headspace it, etc. Then one gets to fit the barreled action to a stock, free float the barrel, do the Devcon action bedding trick, adjust the target trigger(s), and proceed to tune the gun for a given ammo load. That's somewhat more labor and money intensive than going and buying a Remington 700 Police or Varmint model, or a Savage 110/10 target/varmint model. The monetary argument is indeed there, but for my purposes, I find that the uniqueness of building and shooting a serious 1000+ yard target/interdiction gun on a good solid 98 Mauser action outweighs any savings on a similar gun built on a Remington or Savage action. Anybody can go and buy the latter and be shooting tight groups fairly quickly. It takes a dedicated person to build and shoot a custom target 98 Mauser.

BTW, I'm in the process of building an almost identical clone of the one above, this time in .308 Winchester, for the other category in F-Class reserved for that particular cartridge. The receiver is a blueprinted byf 1942 Kar98 action. So by all means, if you want to build a custom target rifle on a 98 Mauser action, you'll have a fine shooting gun. Just remember it won't be worth a whole lot with respect to resale when you're done with it, and it won't be as cheap to convert as it would be to buy a new Remington, Savage, or Ruger. ;)
 
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Keeperofthehills--Firstly congrats on scoring a nice Mauser 98. BTW, "Prezduce (sp?) 44" is Czech for FACTORY #44, not year 1944. It's already been sporterized, so you won't upset any collectors by modifying it further.

What you're after is a tackdriver; I agree that 1 1/2" groups at 100 m is not all that exciting from a nice bolt gun. Now, rebarrelling with a good bbl is going to run you into some serious money, and you should consider whether you want to do that with a Mauser action. And rebarrelling with a so-so bbl won't get you the improvement you seek.

Awhile back I was considering a similar idea, and ended up talking for a long while with the nice folks at Krieger Barrels. They will "blueprint" yr action, make a bbl to your exact specs, cryo-treat it, flute it, crown it, blue it, drill & tap for 'scope, etc, etc, and install it for you. All of which will run you about a thousand bucks.

You want a better trigger--Timneys are nice for "regular" work but you want a target trigger, probably a Jewell. Another hundred and a half or more gone. You will need a stock. Boyd's makes really nice laminated wood stocks for the Mauser 98; get it unfinished and you can contour the bbl channel to handle yr target bbl. A little scraping here and there and yr rebarrelled Mauser will drop right in. Then you modify the stock with a rasp to fit your own cheek, jawbone, hands, etc. Then a "little" sanding--Hah!--and spray the stock with satin polyurethane, abt 5 coats. The Boyd's stock will run you another $80 or so. If you're like me, the fitting and sanding will be annoying, putzy agony. Or you could have a custom stockmaker do it, if you have the $$$ to blow.

And we're now better than 1200 bucks into this project.

USSR is right--If you're going to commit this kind of money to the project, you oughta start with the best action you can. And that, my friend, is a Remington 700. It is a very good action in its own right, but more importantly, there are a zillion retro parts you can get for it, because it is pretty much the standard that gun sporterizers use, especially the accuracy freaks. For instance, you can get a titanium firing pin to cut the lock time--David Tubb makes one.

My advice? Sell the Mauser (or keep it for a backup rifle) and start your ultra-accurizing project all over again. If you DO go to all that expense and trouble with the Mauser, you will always wonder, "Man this is a nice accurate rifle--I wonder what it would have been with a really XLNT action??"

BTW, Remington does NOT sell just actions; they sell every one they can crank out, as a complete gun. Some of the benchrest custom shops deal in used actions; digging on the I'net will find a loose used Rem 700 action and then you don't have to take off and throw away the rest.

Anyhow, bottom line: Were it me, I would NOT try to build The Tackdriver on a Mauser action. Rebarrelling a Mauser is justified only if (a) the original bbl is shot out or damaged, and/or (b) you simply MUST have some cartridge that doesn't come on the market that often--.35 Whelen Ackley Improved comes to mind. But when all is said and done, you'll still have a hunting rifle, not a target-quality arm.

Whatever you decide, it's your rifle, and I hope you enjoy the process and the result.

And as always, the journey is part of the destination.

Edited to add: Gewehr 98 added his very knowledgeable comments while I was composing the above, and, it seems to me that he both agreed with and disagreed with most of what I said. Hmmmm. And, he does have a very high BTDT quotient.
 
To the right of the Preduzce 44 marking, does it say Mod.98?

Preduzece 44 is a Yugo factory (not Czech) where they sent captured rifles and built new ones. If yours says Mod.98, its actually a German rifle captured and rearsenaled by the Yugoslavs.

Mine is a great shooter although its been sporterized as well.
 
Just a note...

You can buy just the Remington Model 700 action from Brownells, $499 retail, or less if you have an FFL on file with them. They're currently sold out, but I'll wager they will have them again in stock soon enough. ;)
 
yeah it says "mod.98" on the left side of the reciver between the "preduzece 44" and the bolt release. and the "mod.98" is a strangely cleaner stamping than the preduzece... hmm.

i knew there was alot to building a rifle but whoa. the bolt handle has already been turned and the saftey has been changed to a little handle looking thing. and even without a round in the chamber the bolt closes very tightly.

i found out that the rifle was built by a local gun smith by the name of dave donlley (sp). who is considerd by many to be the best around here. and i know for a fact that dave will not mess with junk.

while center punching a golf ball at a 500 meters on a cold barrel would be truly awesome. if i could centerpunch a groundhog at 400 meters without a problem, id be very happy. that is pretty much what i do with my sendero. there arent alot of places here in wv to shoot for more than 400 meters. if there is its kinda a snooty joint the membership cost is high and my old bronco wont look good in the parking lot next to the bmws and mercedes if you catch my drift.

i think i want it in 308. ive already had a 700vs in that chambering so ive got dies brass and some pet loads already worked up.
 
If you can do it yourself, have at it. A rig like G98's gives up very little to rifles on more "modern" actions. But if you have to pay a gunsmith, best get him to work on something he is familiar with, like a Remington. There aren't many gunsmiths building target rifles on Mausers and Springfields any more, probably few who even remember how.

$499 for a Remington action?
Better to find a Walmart that hasn't quit selling guns and buy a plain rifle for a donor action. It will cost less and you can recoup a few more bucks by selling off the factory barrel and stock. Or a second hand rifle, the actions don't wear appreciably.
 
Maybe I'm missing something, but if the local 'smith did the work, contact him to see what's been done. Maybe it's got the better trigger, action trued, etc already. If the previous owner did all that, you'd be dollars ahead.

Regardless, if you get a custom rifle, you typically pay more up front for for something that's worth less (at least when you try to sell it). If that's how you want to spend your money, it's your money.

It'd be fun to have a 6.5x284 or 6.5-06 that's good to 1,000. Just gotta pony up the bucks. I'd look at it like a vacation. You spend the money, have nothing to show when you're done except memories, but you're spend the money for what you want and what makes you happy.

You can put the money into gold bullion and have a lump of metal that sits there doing nothing or buy something to have fun. Each has it's place.
 
You could have saved all that money, bought a Swiss k31 , put a side mount detachable on her with scope and shot rounds through the same holes. right out the box.(swissrifles.com) if you dont believe. That said, I love Mausers also but...
 
JD46561 has the best idear of you all. :)


I want to add some to it though...for my own uses I keep the Swiss Miss stock and just have fun with the irons. I actually enjoy shooting it as much as my tricked out Mauser...which has no problems shooting moa or better if I am having a good hair day. :p


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A number of people have already pointed out to you that you can save money by just buying a Remington to start with so I don't need to go there. Instead, I'm going to tell you to go ahead with your project. Why? Because it's your dream!
I had the same dream. I didn't have the money to go out and buy a Remington but I did have a Turk '98 sitting in my closet. I picked up a surplus Parker-Hale barrel and a Timney trigger plus a few assorted odds and ends-- and with the help of a friend-- put together a decent target rifle.
Along the way I picked up some other things too: I learned about cutting a chamber and the best way to bed the action. I found out why different powders and primers give different results. Most of all, I found out how good I could feel when my old "Frankenmauser" just happened to outshoot all the spaceguns on the line. (That hasn't happened very often, so I cherish the memory.)
Remember, the Remington, the Savage, the Winchester and all the other new bolt-actions are just tricked-out Mausers. The may gain some from modern machining techniques but they give nothing away when it comes to strength and quality.
 
You've already got the gun, it's already been worked on. Can't hurt to just put a new barrel on it in a caliber you prefer and go from there. Have fun.


Oh, and Numrich has some real nice hardwood stocks for $55.

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You can buy just the Remington Model 700 action from Brownells, $499 retail, or less if you have an FFL on file with them. They're currently sold out, but I'll wager they will have them again in stock soon enough.

The local Walmart has an ADL for about $300. Of course that would mean that the crappy finish would need to be stripped off, and you would have a cheap stock that won't burn in the fireplace to dispose of. :)
 
It's already toast as far as a historical piece. The "Mod 98" on the side means it's a captured German rifle that was reworked at the Zastava arsenal. It should work well with any aftermarket parts for the K-98k. M-48's won't always work and are poor choices for hack & slash. The barrel you put on it will determine a great deal as far as accuracy goes.
 
The local Walmart has an ADL for about $300. Of course that would mean that the crappy finish would need to be stripped off, and you would have a cheap stock that won't burn in the fireplace to dispose of.

That factory finish is nothing a wire brush and Birchwood Casey cold blue won't fix. I'm sure that stock's good for something, such as something to point to and say "look what a favor I did this rifle". Yeah, I've seen 'em too. As for the fact that it's an ADL, can BDL lower steel be added? Myself, even though my M11GL is equivelant to the Rem. ADL, I much prefer the BDL. I just wouldn't apologize for the ADL or Savage equivelant because of my liking for everything else about it.
 
That factory finish is nothing a wire brush and Birchwood Casey cold blue won't fix. I'm sure that stock's good for something, such as something to point to and say "look what a favor I did this rifle". Yeah, I've seen 'em too. As for the fact that it's an ADL, can BDL lower steel be added? Myself, even though my M11GL is equivelant to the Rem. ADL, I much prefer the BDL. I just wouldn't apologize for the ADL or Savage equivelant because of my liking for everything else about it.

its a good price for the action, and that's all that matters. Remington doesn't make ADLs like they used to, in fact they don't make them at all now.

Here's a 30-some year old ADL

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keeperofthehills, I say rebarrel and you will be happy. I bought a 3 1/2 contour E.R. Shaw bbl in 308 for my yugo 24/47 Mauser. It was already drilled and tapped with a Leupold base and rings and a turned bolt. It had a pristine bbl but it is not what I wanted. I paid $175 for the bbl and despite what ppl might say about E.R. Shaw bbls, the first shot, well the second if you count the one the 'smith used to test fire it, was a head shot on a silhouette at 400 yards. That was with no other sighting in other than a quick boresight. I fired 5 total rounds with 3 more hitting the head and two flyers. This combo does more that I could ever want and I think you'll be happy. You have the gun, why not make it your own? Be advised thought, the rifle is now a PITA to carry for long stretches.
 
Here's a competition rifle we built on a virgin CZ98 Mauser action a couple years ago. The gun shoots 1/4MOA or better with factory ammo. Very clean rig with about $3000 worth of parts in there plus about 60 hrs labor. For custom rifles I prefer to use Rem700, M98, or CZ550 actions.

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