9mm load check please

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Hi guys. One more question.
And I'm not questioning the start low and work up. I get it.

However, the starting load is where. Am a little confused. I know a lot of you guys say to use berrys load data at 3.6 grains for an extreme plated bullet.

However, on the xtreme website, they say
- Our Copper Plated Bullets can be run at mid-range jacketed velocities or higher end lead velocities. We do not recommend velocities over 1500 FPS (Feet Per Second) and only a light taper crimp.

And the bullet diam is .355.

So wouldn't that be more of a match to the Sierra fmj load data? From the hogdon website for load data that would be a starting load of 4.1 grains.

Again, I'm just trying to understand and I really appreciate all the detailed information you guys have provided, you guys are awesome.

I haven't had a chance to shoot any of the bullets I loaded yet, but I'm wondering with the Sierra fmj load data (4.1 grain starting load) if I will stick a bullet at 3.4 grains. Obviously I would like to avoid that.

Pistol is m&p shield by the way.

Thanks again!
 
BDS,
I love your posts and don't mean to come off snide here but are you sure about this:

Often accuracy will build around mid-to-high range and most accurate loads at high-to-near max load data. Depending on the powder, sometimes accuracy is obtained at high range and not at max charge
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I've always heard most accurate can be found anywhere, often at mid range. Would like to hear your thoughts. This topic has so many variables though..
 
With the sierra bullets, that data may be only for that specific bullet and not all copper jacketed bullets. Two bullets of the same weight may have different jacket thicknesses, and different load bearing surfaces. The reason to stay away from the sierra data is because it is outside of the normal range for most jacketed bullets. You will also notice that in many cases Hornady XTP recipes have a higher grain weight charge than other bullets of similar design. Using the same recipe for a different bullet, even though they may be similar, may yield higher chamber pressures.
The sierra data stands out using a higher charge than others of similar design and that is what raised the red flag. That is why it is important to check multiple references. Extreme says to use high lead data to mid range jacketed data, and the sierra data starts at what is max for most other jacketed bullets of similar design. You may well end up working up a load into that territory, but it would be safer to start in a more general territory than something so specific to sierra.
 
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Lee says 115 gr. FMJ starting load 4.5 gr. titegroup, max4.8.OAL1.125. Most of you guys say that is way to much. Do I have to pull :confused:100 rounds or kill myself?:confused:
 
thefish said:
I haven't had a chance to shoot any of the bullets I loaded yet, but I'm wondering with the Sierra fmj load data (4.1 grain starting load) if I will stick a bullet at 3.4 grains.
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More than likely, the sign that your load is a little anemic will be that the action will not fully eject the empty case or chamber the next round. A stuck bullet is possible, but the charge would have to be real low. If you are concerned, start with the next highest charge (3.6).
 
Lee says 115 gr. FMJ starting load 4.5 gr. titegroup, max4.8.OAL1.125. Most of you guys say that is way to much. Do I have to pull 100 rounds or kill myself?
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I was shooting 4.8gr of titegroup behind a 115gr Montana gold bullet yesterday. No biggie! WITH FMJ!!!!!! Its the max load but not the max pressure

BDS,
I love your posts and don't mean to come off snide here but are you sure about this:


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Often accuracy will build around mid-to-high range and most accurate loads at high-to-near max load data. Depending on the powder, sometimes accuracy is obtained at high range and not at max charge

I've always heard most accurate can be found anywhere, often at mid range. Would like to hear your thoughts. This topic has so many variables though
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FMJ is so versitle and can be loaded with wide ranges. With lead I would disagree strongly with the max load theory. This is a good way to lead up your barrel quickly and cause real bad things to happen.
I've seen some very bad advice about loading lead in 9mm on this forum in the past few weeks.
Be very careful who's advice you take.
Light loads with lead work better. Period.
 
Being new I try to load on the lower end and try to find the best accuracy. I don't use more powder than necessary. High velocities are not my priority. I usually load about 15 to 20 rounds in .2 grain increments and make certain not to approach maximum load. I then shoot 5 rounds at 12 yards through a chronograph with every gun of that caliber. We make notes and take pictures and then I analyze all the info and settle on a load.
I like 124 and 147 grain bullets as they feel a little better to me and the plated ones are cost effective.
I use Critical Defense or something from Underwood as my self defense loads.
 
BDS, yes I scanned over it. Not sure the point you were making so I did not respond.
To be honest your posts are real long. I treat them like I treat books, after reading the first chapter and it does not grab or interest I put it away. I do the same to the first paragraph of your posts. I usually skip them.
They kind of drone on. Not sure its your fault, rather its mine as i have a short attention span. Sorry.
 
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BDS, To be honest your posts are real long.
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My reply posts were long because I took the time to gather my facts (including published load data) to be careful of what I posted since you made allegations that some were posting very bad advice about loading lead in 9mm the past few weeks. This is what you posted this morning:
sexybeast said:
I've seen some very bad advice about loading lead in 9mm on this forum in the past few weeks.
Be very careful who's advice you take.
Light loads with lead work better. Period.
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I disagree. There are many reloaders/hunters who will disagree with your statement that light loads with lead work better. An example would be many 44 Magnum lead loads on the "heavy" side.

Not sure the point you were making
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My point was opposite your statement that "Light loads with lead work better. Period."
 
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BDS,
Thanks for reply. I will peruse it further tmrw, as my bedtime is fast approaching. (yes I go to bed at 8:30:))
PH
 
Bds, Sorry, The OP asked after your post, and enough time had past , I forgot what came before it. Otherwise I would have referenced your post.
Posted by deadeye,
Lee says 115 gr. FMJ starting load 4.5 gr. titegroup, max4.8.OAL1.125. Most of you guys say that is way to much. Do I have to pull 100 rounds or kill myself?
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Let us not get caught between apples and oranges. The OPs recipe uses a 124gn projectile and that is what we are referring to. No one has suggested anything about a 115gn projectile, unless I completely missed it, which I can't totally rule out at 5a.m.
 
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BDS, To be honest your posts are real long.

My reply posts were long because I took the time to gather my facts (including published load data) to be careful of what I posted since you made allegations that some were posting very bad advice about loading lead in 9mm the past few weeks. This is what you posted this morning:

Quote:
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Well now this is a bit disturbing that you have to do research to answer questions on this forum. You have edited this post quite a bit since yesterday afternoon.
The questions are usually what do you do? Not what have you read.
Anyone can read other posts and repeat it as fact. Not what I do or what i think anyone else should do.
"if you haven't done it then you should not post it"
I load and shoot these calibers every week, hundreds of rounds. With the loads I've quoted! I'm not making it up or getting it out of a book. And I'm not going to B.S. you. [Barbara Streisand]
I'm sharing and contributing my experiences. My trials and errors. My hands on experiments with loadings. Not something I've read.

I disagree. There are many reloaders/hunters who will disagree with your statement that light loads with lead work better. An example would be many 44 Magnum lead loads on the "heavy" side.
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Comparing 9mm and 44mag is like night and day. Case capacity and diameter of the projectile etc... I've loaded heavy rounds too but I used a gas check. And i don't comment on 44mag because I don't feel I have the experience to really have it down. I haven't worked with it enough to be comftorable suggesting techniques or loadings.
Again thats the difference here. Rifle, shotgun, heavy pistol loads! If I don't/have done it I'm not going to suggest how you should do it.
This is probably the longest post I have made.
 
So, you being wrong about shell plate on progressive press flexing/dependent on number of cases and affecting OAL don't count? Which BTW is another reloading variable - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=9249758#post9249758

I try to focus on the problems/issues posted by OP and offer information that will address them.

As I no longer want to hijack/sidetrack the OP, I welcome you to join the discussion on the "reloading variables" thread and you can offer to discuss your reloading experience there - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=737659

Peace and back to OP. :)
 
When many THR members post experiences different than mine, I take the position that my observation/experience could be off and do a re-examination.

Yes, we are all human and I have been wrong in the past many times and have learned/relearned a lot of thigs shooting/reloading related from the wealth of knowledge that exists here from THR members (some will simply blow your socks off with their posts).

As we often post (and you recently posted regarding the tilting of shell plate), our individual experiences may vary depending on the different equipment, pistols, barrels, etc. But when several owners of LNL AP (like Walkalong) post their actual experiences of shell plate tilting and when you don't even own a LNL AP, your post that changes to OALs was not seen on YOUR progressive press whether the shell plate was full or not with cases holds little credibility - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=9249910#post9249910

As always, YMMV.

Peace.

Now can we go back to OP?
 
As we often post (and you recently posted regarding the tilting of shell plate), our individual experiences may vary depending on the different equipment, pistols, barrels, etc. But when several owners of LNL AP (like Walkalong) post their actual experiences of shell plate tilting and when you don't even own a LNL AP, your post that changes to OALs was not seen on YOUR progressive press whether the shell plate was full or not with cases holds little credibility - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...10#post9249910
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If the shell plate on a Lock n Load flexes that much when loading 9mm then so be it. I think its on the press rather than I. My press does not do it and no one else has had it happen to them to the extent with it changing the OAL so much that ammo won't chamber. With rifle ammo sure. There also may be something else too as he is a new loader. This is not normal, it should not happen to the finished product simply because you are sizing on the other side of the plate, and I'm suprised about it.
Bds, you must be giggling inside that someone was wrong about something.
And as you always like to say after you get in your dig,,,,Peace

Now can we go back to OP?
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Anytime you are ready. You are the one who brought this up on this thread.
 
With respect to the OP - thefish, I will politely bow out completely of this discussion as it is my sentiment sexybeast doesn't/won't get the many posts THR members posted and will be my total waste of time to continue the discussion further.

My apologies to the OP and THR members trying to stay on topic of this thread.

sexybeast, you are going back on my "ignore list" ( User Options > Settings & Options > Edit Ignore List > Add Name > Save Changes/Okay ).
 
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