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I have a Kel-Tec PF-9 for pocket carry, and love it. There are smaller and lighter 9mm pocket guns out there, but you'll have to pay at least twice as much for them when the Kel-Tec will do just fine.
9mm pocket gun?
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bigfatdave
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Well, around the time I found out that I needed a bigger scale, my pockets started being larger too.
Of course, I always bought pants based on pocket size/number/usefulness even before I got into pistols.
Thanks for all the replies. I will be looking into the pistols mentioned and making a decision over theweekend. Good point made about the G26, i will also have to reconsider...
Thankfully the local gunshop owner does not mind when I spend a couple hours handling a few different guns while trying to make a decision.
Thanks again,
John
Thankfully the local gunshop owner does not mind when I spend a couple hours handling a few different guns while trying to make a decision.
Thanks again,
John
orionengnr
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+1 for the PM9. Mine has been my EDC for 3+ years.
I went down the P-11 route once upon a time. Didn't work out so well.
I went down the P-11 route once upon a time. Didn't work out so well.
I have the p11 with armalaser in my pocket right now. The armalaser breaks up the print and keeps it in place. I am 6'1 or so, 200lb. I didn't think it was so great for p carry when I first got it, but now with the arma and a stiff belt it's pretty good. I was walking around shirtless today. I also have the factory belt clip on it, so I can transfer to IWB easy if I want to.
The pf9 would probably be a sure bet, esp with the armalaser.
On a side note ,anyone wtb a Mika pocket holster for p11? I can't use it since I got the laser.
The pf9 would probably be a sure bet, esp with the armalaser.
On a side note ,anyone wtb a Mika pocket holster for p11? I can't use it since I got the laser.
chris in va
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I have the factory belt clip for my P11. Works great, a lot more comfortable than using an IWB holster.
I also have a Kahr K9 and am currently looking at a Fist holster for it.
I also have a Kahr K9 and am currently looking at a Fist holster for it.
flyingdeserteagle
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PM9
shoot alot out of it- regardless of choice
shoot alot out of it- regardless of choice
Yes, if you honestly are buying the gun with intent to pocket carry it much, load it up with a snap cap and focus on S-M-O-O-T-H draws SLOWLY. Then speed it up as you're comfortable. When you're moderately unslow and S-M-O-O-T-H still, practice draw+double-tap or your choice of techniques (fire-from-retention, crouch and fire, etc).
A good piece of advice someone, I believe Mercop, gave was this: if you ever think you might reach for the gun when someone says "give me your wallet"...PRACTICE that scenario. According to him, most guys tend to roll the shoulder forward and squint or grimace when they reach for their gun. This is not typical of someone reaching for a wallet, even under duress.
A good piece of advice someone, I believe Mercop, gave was this: if you ever think you might reach for the gun when someone says "give me your wallet"...PRACTICE that scenario. According to him, most guys tend to roll the shoulder forward and squint or grimace when they reach for their gun. This is not typical of someone reaching for a wallet, even under duress.
Walther PPS
Just picked up a Walther PPS and I love it. I've got he PF9 as well (for sale at local shop) and even though the size and feel were great I found the reliability lacking (light primer stikes and multiple jams). An Uncle Mike's IWB holster #16 works great for the PPS.
Just picked up a Walther PPS and I love it. I've got he PF9 as well (for sale at local shop) and even though the size and feel were great I found the reliability lacking (light primer stikes and multiple jams). An Uncle Mike's IWB holster #16 works great for the PPS.
Boba Fett
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Just FYI, check out Bobo's Pocked Auto Comparison Chart provided on THR:
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=171820
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=171820
wanderinwalker
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Have you picked one up yet?
As the owner of a G-26 and a PF-9, I assure you the Glock will be easier to shoot, more familiar in manual of arms and carries in a pocket like a brick! The PF-9 is kind of tough to hang on too, the trigger has to be allowed to go all the way forward when shooting and it carries in a pocket not half-bad.
I was about to trade my Kel-Tec for a littel .38 snubnose, but after shooting it some today, changed my mind. It is light and easy to carry. Pocket, ankle, IWB, not a problem. It is snappy to shoot though, and mine has a recorded failure rate of just over 2%. Many of these were early on and with other shooters. It absolutely will not tolerate anything but a firm hold; a weak grip will get you a failure-to-feed surer than not. Practice with it coming from a pocket while sidestepping your target, or retreating, or right on the target (if you can) using one hand, and get the muscle memory down so you have that firm grip every time.
The PF-9 can be carried in the elastic waistband of a pair of sweat pants or shorts. I carry mine mountain biking because it is small and light enough to not get in the way.
In comparison, there is very little loss of speed and reliability of the G-26 over the G-17 (have both). It is also the smallest gun I am comfortable practicing with regularly and putting lots of use on. But the Glock is happiest on a belt-holster in my experience. It could be ankle carried, if you are built right, and if you're a smaller person putting it in your pocket screams "GUN!" (Not that half of the Western world will notice your bulged pocket; they're thinking about the next "American Idol" or "Lost" or something like that.)
In the end, I think it pays to have both on hand, and a snubnose revolver AND something like a P-32 or 3AT or LCP.
As the owner of a G-26 and a PF-9, I assure you the Glock will be easier to shoot, more familiar in manual of arms and carries in a pocket like a brick! The PF-9 is kind of tough to hang on too, the trigger has to be allowed to go all the way forward when shooting and it carries in a pocket not half-bad.
I was about to trade my Kel-Tec for a littel .38 snubnose, but after shooting it some today, changed my mind. It is light and easy to carry. Pocket, ankle, IWB, not a problem. It is snappy to shoot though, and mine has a recorded failure rate of just over 2%. Many of these were early on and with other shooters. It absolutely will not tolerate anything but a firm hold; a weak grip will get you a failure-to-feed surer than not. Practice with it coming from a pocket while sidestepping your target, or retreating, or right on the target (if you can) using one hand, and get the muscle memory down so you have that firm grip every time.
The PF-9 can be carried in the elastic waistband of a pair of sweat pants or shorts. I carry mine mountain biking because it is small and light enough to not get in the way.
In comparison, there is very little loss of speed and reliability of the G-26 over the G-17 (have both). It is also the smallest gun I am comfortable practicing with regularly and putting lots of use on. But the Glock is happiest on a belt-holster in my experience. It could be ankle carried, if you are built right, and if you're a smaller person putting it in your pocket screams "GUN!" (Not that half of the Western world will notice your bulged pocket; they're thinking about the next "American Idol" or "Lost" or something like that.)
In the end, I think it pays to have both on hand, and a snubnose revolver AND something like a P-32 or 3AT or LCP.
txgolfer45
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Kahr PM9
nonseven
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I carry a Rohrbaugh R9s in an uncle mike's pocket holster. Expensive gun and inexpensive holster, but the uncle mike's fits it perfectly. I believe the Rohrbaugh is still the smallest 9mm on the market - same size as the Ruger LCP, two or three ounces heavier.
oneounceload
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The Rohrbaugh is the smallest 9mm pocket gun available today. Not cheap, but it is good
CDH
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I can't believe that it took 40 posts to finally get to the Rohrbaugh as being the only "real" pocket gun mentioned so far.
It's the same size as my LCP .380, and only a couple ounces heavier.
I use the same holster for either of the two, but have also just slipped the Rohrbaugh into my pocket on occasion.
It's the same size as my LCP .380, and only a couple ounces heavier.
I use the same holster for either of the two, but have also just slipped the Rohrbaugh into my pocket on occasion.
The Lone Haranguer
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The only other 9mm handgun I can think of that is truly pocket sized is the Rohrbaugh. Guns like the Glock 26, S&W M&P compact, HK P2000SK, Springfield XD subcompact, etc., are not, IMO, true pocket guns, but very compact belt guns that can be pocketed in a pinch. In the tight confines of a pocket, they are all too large, bulky and squared off to be practical, everyday pocket EDCs.
JohnBT
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"I can't believe that it took 40 posts to finally get to the Rohrbaugh as being the only "real" pocket gun mentioned so far."
Somebody will be along soon to say it's a boutique gun for elitists and too expensive and too unreliable. Just wait. Did I mention I could have bought 2 Glocks for what I spent on my Rohrbaugh? No? Somebody will soon.
Oh, and you have to change the recoil spring too often. And they don't recommend shooting the reloads made by the nearsighted guy at the gun show.
John
Somebody will be along soon to say it's a boutique gun for elitists and too expensive and too unreliable. Just wait. Did I mention I could have bought 2 Glocks for what I spent on my Rohrbaugh? No? Somebody will soon.
Oh, and you have to change the recoil spring too often. And they don't recommend shooting the reloads made by the nearsighted guy at the gun show.
John
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I love my PM-9, and I don't think it's recoil is that bad.
However, I do think it's a little big for pocket carry. Now in a small IWB holster, you're talking a nice setup.
However, I do think it's a little big for pocket carry. Now in a small IWB holster, you're talking a nice setup.
Do a Google search for "aholster"; this should link you to Alan Miller in Greeneville, Tn.
He made me a kydex pocket holster for my G26 that is as slick as anything I've seen. The gun disappears in the front pocket of loose cargo pants or shorts or loose jeans.
I tend to wear it on the weekends when I'm out and about with lots of buddies;no one has ever said anything to make me think they spotted it.
It's in my pocket as I type this.
Second choice is a J-frame, in a DeSantis Nemesis holster.
He made me a kydex pocket holster for my G26 that is as slick as anything I've seen. The gun disappears in the front pocket of loose cargo pants or shorts or loose jeans.
I tend to wear it on the weekends when I'm out and about with lots of buddies;no one has ever said anything to make me think they spotted it.
It's in my pocket as I type this.
Second choice is a J-frame, in a DeSantis Nemesis holster.
WRGADog
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Kahr PM9
I carry one every day in my pocket. Look at DeSantis nemisis holster.
I carry one every day in my pocket. Look at DeSantis nemisis holster.
Kahr PM9
The PM9 is my favorite pocket gun. The one shown has Agrips on it. It is amazing how something so thin can make such a difference in the bite of a small light weight 9mm with out adding any bulk to the grips. The holster is a FIST thin kydex holster. It has a tab on the top back side that you push off on with your thumb and the gun releases from the holster. No need to hook the holster inside your pocket to draw the gun.
The PM9 is my favorite pocket gun. The one shown has Agrips on it. It is amazing how something so thin can make such a difference in the bite of a small light weight 9mm with out adding any bulk to the grips. The holster is a FIST thin kydex holster. It has a tab on the top back side that you push off on with your thumb and the gun releases from the holster. No need to hook the holster inside your pocket to draw the gun.
I second the PM9 suggestion, or the thinner Keltec version, so long as either is reliable. I currently carry a Kahr MK9, and while it's small enough it's also just a little too heavy for pocket carry. I can manage it in sturdy cargo pants or a heavy jacket, but light pants or shorts don't work out so well. You can something as simple as grip tape for the PM9 to make a difference in handling the recoil.
I'm not sure which is the thinner of the Keltec models, but that's the one I would recommend.
jm
I'm not sure which is the thinner of the Keltec models, but that's the one I would recommend.
jm
PM9
Bought a PM9 a week ago. 400 rounds of everything you can imagine through it from "Hot Shot," filthy Romanian ammo, to Corbon DPX. Not one misfire or Jam.
Very accurate, and very controllable. Nowhere near the bite of my little Ruger LCP .380.
One quirk: Per the manual, the first round off a fully loaded magazine has to be loaded by using the slide release. Ie. you can't manually rack the first round into the chamber from a fully loaded mag. Not a problem if you plan on carrying with one in the chamber. I found a "work around" for this that works for me. I wrote an extensive post about this under "Kahr PM9 Feeding Problems"
Bought a PM9 a week ago. 400 rounds of everything you can imagine through it from "Hot Shot," filthy Romanian ammo, to Corbon DPX. Not one misfire or Jam.
Very accurate, and very controllable. Nowhere near the bite of my little Ruger LCP .380.
One quirk: Per the manual, the first round off a fully loaded magazine has to be loaded by using the slide release. Ie. you can't manually rack the first round into the chamber from a fully loaded mag. Not a problem if you plan on carrying with one in the chamber. I found a "work around" for this that works for me. I wrote an extensive post about this under "Kahr PM9 Feeding Problems"
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