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Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by TexasPatriot.308, Apr 26, 2020.

  1. WheelGunMan

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    I have 2 - LCR's...one in .357 and one in .22WMR and 2 - 3" LCRx's in the same configuration. They are extremely well made tough little guns and I would recommend them highly in 9MM configuration. I may still eventually get one. As far as crimp jumping is concerned, I have to agree with Ernie Bass in his above post. In looking at the weight of some auto loaders being the same as the LCR9MM...I'm guessing it is ammo specific.

    You mention that you reload for the 9MM...is that economically feasible? I understood that it's cheaper to buy bulk than reload. The only thing it would cost me is another set of dies.

    Regarding my interest in the 9MM semi-auto. We over winter in Florida and the wife indicated her interest in a .380 for conceal carry. She has been shooting my LCR22WMR but was looking into a smaller gun for carry. We went to a local gun show and she keyed on a Kimber Micro .380. I was looking over the array of many different guns when a Glock43X caught my eye. I picked it up and was instantly enamored with it. I decided I was going to get one once I got back home to Michigan. Then all this craziness hit and we are currently hunkered down in North Carolina. We are planning to leave on the 30th and head towards Michigan.I have since rethought my desire for a G43X and decided to look seriously at a Sig Sauer P365 with a manual safety...because I groin carry IWB at 1 o'clock. Insomuch as I believe in keeping one chambered and at the ready when carrying, the thought of a negligent discharge concerns me.
     
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  2. whm1974

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    Speaking of the 9mm revolver... How come no one ever made a 9mm Auto-Rim? A company came with the .45 Auto-Rim with it's thicker rim so it could be used in .45 ACP Revolvers without using moon clips.

    So why didn't anyone do this with the 9x19?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_Auto_Rim
     
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  3. WheelGunMan

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    TexasPatriot.308 said:
    Hey guys, don't get on here much anymore. Question...Im 66, hands starting to have arthritis problems, got couple 1911s, autos etc but sometimes the slide gets me. I realize Im old now. Anyways looking towards a good 9mm revolver, pretty sure it would come in double action. Any input?

    I agree with the assessment of the Ruger LCR. It's a tough little gun that comes in SA/DA or DAO in a variety of calibers.
     
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    Like I mentioned in an earlier post I have a bunch of 9mm stuff already on hand, bullets, powder, cans full of cases and around 25,000 assorted primers so all it cost me to reload any caliber I reload for is the time to do it. In hind sight I should have bought a case or two of factory loads when it was giveaway cheap. If I were buying the components or buying the loaded ammo then no, reloading would not be the cheaper way out.

    fxvr5 beat me to it. The Federal 9mm was a good idea until they found it would chamber in some of the old guns (38 S&W) that weren't designed for that pressure. But yes it would be a good idea. I have wondered why they haven't made a rimmed 40S&W or a rimmed 10mm for use in a revolver. The load data is already there so only a rim on the case was needed. Then you don't have to mess with the moon clips. You could even use the same dies to reload with just a different shell holder needed.
     
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  6. whm1974

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    The 9mm Federal as I remembered from reading in a big book of firearm cartridges, is of the standard rim thickness and came out in 1985. It wasn't extra thick like the .45 Auto-Rim was, and 9x19mm Luger rounds fell through the chamber... I wish I keep that book...
     
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  7. Tilos

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    Well "have heard" were your words not mine, and changing to "I have read about from posters here" doesn't change anything it's still hearsay/babble.

    Your continued back peddling on this point, in this thread, has become almost comical (to me anyways).
    Because you continue to troll my posts and challenge others, I'll just add you to my ignore list.

    :D
     
  8. ThomasT

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    What’s funny is the post of mine you quoted you hit the like button on. Now you want to put me on your ignore list. All I have to say is that I’m glad to be there. I will return the favor.

    And the “I have heard and read here” is because this isn’t the only place I have seen mentioned bullets jumping the crimp and bullet set back. There is a thread now in the revolver forum on bullets jumping crimp with 357 loads. I have read the same thing in gun magazines for years. So far as I know I have never had a bullet move forward out of a case. But then again I don’t open every cylinder and check to see.
     
  9. General Geoff

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    Strictly speaking you don't need moon clips to shoot 10mm or 9mm out of a revolver that has a cylinder which headspaces the cartridge by the case mouth. You just need a pencil or something to poke the spent cases out of the chambers.
     
  10. cfullgraf

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    True, but...

    Using moon clips allows one to quickly eject a cylinder full of cases and reload a fresh batch of ammunition.

    It depends on your use of the gun, plinking or personal protection.
     
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    I have arthritis in my feet and had 1 big toe fused because of it. I understand... everyones arthritis is different and for me, every day is different.

    If you're more into autoloaders, take a look at the M&P EZ. It's designed with lower hand strength in mind (arthritis doesn't automatically mean low strength so...)

    I have the 9mm LCRx. I'm not a revolver guy at all. I don't enjoy recoil but I'm not recoil sensitive either.


    Recoil to me was less than a 357 sp101 shot side by side with cheap ammo for both. I thought it was just me but the article above suggests the same. The grip on the LCR is excellent.

    I haven't had any issues with bullet pull. I've shot 10 rounds each critical defense or duty and critical defense or duty Lite as well as a little more 124 Nato Winchesters and 145 WWB and Rangers. And around another 150 - 200 of mostly cheap 115.

    I was very nervous a out bullet pull but it has not been a issue. Every brand I've shot I do the " shoot 4 and look at #5 ' for at least 1 cylinder. I don't use a micrometer... I set them on my tailgate and eye ball before and after. ( I'd look at 6, load 5, shot 4, and compare # against the never loaded #6). I think bullet pull may become more of an issue with weaker grip; a heavier gun compensates with similar results.

    The moon clips are not fragile, imo. I load one and put in it a 35mm film canister. The rounds can twist inwards but the moon clip looks the same and work the same.


    My biggest complaints.... the user (me) and it shoots low which seems to be common feedback. I like shooting more like pumpkin on post and my LCRX is more like dot on face and it still seems just a bit low but that could be me.

    So for me, I wish there was a way to adjust elevation and that's my biggest complaint.




    Regarding "Why?".

    I've seen about a dozen reasons listed and several of them multiple times. For someone to only acknowledge 2 and then discount those as not meaningful to them is being obtuse or obstinate, or if done intentionally, is trollish.
     
  13. nevadabob

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    I have a Charter Arms 9mm Pitbull and reload for it. I use 38 Special bullets, the ones with the crimp groove. I crimp on the crimp groove and have no problem with the bullets walking.
     
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    Here's a Paul Harrell review of the Ruger LCR in 9mm. Crimp jump discussion starts at about the 28 minute mark.

     
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    Nice vid on the crimp jump...

     
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  17. JohnKSa

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    For a fairly long list of 9mm ammo that's very likely to NOT experience crimp jump in a revolver, check out the Bond Arms website and the list of ammo approved for their Bullpup. It's not a revolver, but it has an unorthodox feeding method that yanks the round out of the magazine backwards and then feeds it forward into the chamber. The trip backwards out of the magazine is quite abrupt and if the case doesn't have a good hold on the bullet, the bullet (and the powder from the round) will stay in the magazine when the case is pulled backwards to start the feeding process. They have come up with a list of ammo that will hold together during this process and for the same reason it works in the Bullpup, it should be pretty well proof against crimp jump in a revolver.

    https://www.bondarms.com/bond-arms-handguns/bond-arms-bullpup/#detailsPane
     
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    To add some clarity ....

    It was Hornady Critical Defense

    The 115 cheap stuff mentioned mostly UMC Remington, some WWB. Also, maybe/probably a little Federal in the maroon box.
     
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  19. whm1974

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    I experience crimp jump in a .38 Special Revolver before due to the Lee bullet loader die getting soft lead into the die. That was the first reloading equipment I owned. And no one informed me that this could happen. Anyway when I shot newer reloaded .38 special I made at the Range, half the rounds creeped out far enough to seize up the cyclidal with a few rounds, the bullets come completely out of the casing.

    When I got back home, I checked the reloading Die and sure enough, it was full of lead... To prevent this from occurring again, I simply cleaned the die before use and made sure the bullet was crimped properly.

    How how often does does crimp jump happen with 9mm and .45 Auto chambered Revolvers?
     
  20. JohnKSa

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    It depends heavily on the ammunition and also on the revolver. Some ammunition will jump crimp very easily, and the lighter the revolver, the worse the problem will be.

    The video in post #66 discusses the issue and provides results from a number of different types of 9mm ammo shot in revolvers.
     
  21. Al-jim19

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    I know you were looking for a revolver but the sw shield 9 ez is basically draigned for this situation.
     
  22. Buckeye63

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    I had a LCR , Taurus & a Charter

    The Charter is my first pick .. seemed like the in DA is was smoother ... no moon clips needed ..
    I should have kept it
     
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  23. whm1974

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    The ability of the Charter Pitbull to use Pistol auto cartridges without requiring the use of moon clips is a huge advantage over Revolvers that do need them.

    Why didn't other manufacturers think of doing this?
     
  24. 4v50 Gary

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    Better Ruger than Taurus. The quality speaks for itself. Taurus has a problem with transfer bars breaking. They're aware of it, but won't stress relieve it (it's stamped and bent) or change the metallurgy. Sure lifetime warranty but how long do you want to wait while Taurus fixes it. I made a bar out of spring steel.

    BTW, Charter would be my second choice, but the double action on the Charter in (IMO) is heavier than that of the LCR. Take that into consideration when you choose which is better for you.
     
  25. Tilos

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    Because CA has a patent on their extractor design.
    So there's that,
    :D
     
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