9MM RMR Bullets 124grn TC + Titegroup Analysis Paralysis

[Crosshair]

I honestly don't understand the dislike here for Titegroup.

I started out with it and the only screw ups I've had were due to things other than the powder.

 

[tightgroup tiger]

I agree,
All the other powders in the same burn rate never get mentioned. They have the same possibility for double charge that Titegroup has but everyone seems to be happy with them.

 

[Erief0g]

I also concur.

The low charge weight and economical cost seem to get downgraded as to easy to overcharge. I agreed in theory as I went through 16lbs of it before moving to sport pistol... lo an behold my charge weight is within .3 grains of my titegroup load.

 

[longdayjake]

All this data being thrown around. You guys are making me feel all kinds of inadequate. Believe it or not, my process for loading a new round consists of finding data for a bullet that is the same weight and starting with that. I seat it to where it looks good and then I fire it to see how well it shoots. If it shoots good I measure the length of the round and write it down for later use. I mostly shoot 2011's so my go to for the match winner is 1.125" You may not believe this, but that was exactly where it came to without me changing the die I was using for loading the 124 RN. Tried it out and it was like I couldn't miss. So I've not changed anything since. I later found out with the 147 heavy match that I needed to make some OAL adjustments to ensure that they would work in the pulled aluminum cases I was using. I've made a lot of over pressure ammo in my life and split many cases. The only time I've ever had issues with over pressure rounds is if I'm trying to push the limit of the powder and weight combo plus seating it too deep. So, I always tell people to find out what their gun will allow them to seat out to. If it looks really short then that means you can't use a ton of powder. If it lets you seat out really long then you're probably safe to go to a max load. And if you're nuts like I am you try to push the limits by buying a 9mm major barrel and you put enough powder in there until the cases start to get scary. All of this is dumb if you're using titegroup. I don't much like titegroup. It leaves very little room for error and will never get you the velocities you want if you're pushing the limits. That said, if you are happy with a good mid range load then titegroup is a great economical powder. Just don't be stupid with it.

Also, I've actually seen guns survive a double charge of titegroup. But don't do it. It's bad. You might get away with it once. But on the 2nd or 3rd shot things start coming apart.

 

[Fishingted]

1.060 is awfully short for 124 gr TC bullets if you go to 4.1 gr of Titegroup, your chasing the maximum pressure the 9mm is rated for.
I use 4.1 gr of Titegroup for 124 gr TCs and JHPs at 1.100" so if my powder measure drifts a little Im still not over maximum pressure.
I would advise you to do the same.
Loads as short as you want to use don't feed well anyways.

I have loaded a lot of the Berry 124 HPFN at 1.060 and 2 of my guns run them fine but My S&W pro Not so much, I am thinking next batch I will try the 1.100 COL to see if the M&P Like them Better. I too have heard that a little longer COL feed better in that style of bullet. make a few Dummy rounds an try Them

 

[9mmepiphany]

I don't much like titegroup. It leaves very little room for error and will never get you the velocities you want if you're pushing the limits.

Those are the reasons I don't use Titegroup and seldom recommend it to others.

It's color makes it hard to see in a case, but I have a Powder Cop die. It burns hot, but I've pretty much completely converted to RMR jacketed bullets. I just find it's narrow operating band irritating, and there are so many other choices in powders available that don't share that trait

 

[lordpaxman]

I honestly don't understand the dislike here for Titegroup.

I started out with it and the only screw ups I've had were due to things other than the powder.

While one needs to respect all powders, Titegroup needs a bit more. Low charge volumes, seating depth and setback concerns, and the need to stay inside the lines are a few of it’s characteristics. It also produces a favorable recoil impulse for us minor shooters, and has some of the tightest groups across several calibers for me. I like to keep a couple jugs on hand just in case but have found other powders a bit more forgiving and precise enough.

And if you're nuts like I am you try to push the limits by buying a 9mm major barrel and you put enough powder in there until the cases start to get scary. All of this is dumb if you're using titegroup.

Indeed. This warning should be on the Titegroup label!

 

[kcofohio]

Try putting 5-6 gr. of Titegroup in a 357 mag. case and see the powder.

But I have had good results in 357 target loads with Titegroup. Good lighting is key.

 

[Fishingted]

Those are the reasons I don't use Titegroup and seldom recommend it to others.

It's color makes it hard to see in a case, but I have a Powder Cop die. It burns hot, but I've pretty much completely converted to RMR jacketed bullets. I just find it's narrow operating band irritating, and there are so many other choices in powders available that don't share that trait

I Have ran a Lot of 147 gr Berry plated Round Nose with 3.5 gr of Titegroup for Idpa. very Light recoil but works My guns well Too. But if I were running higher velocity Loads I would probably use a different Powder.