I was checking out some 9mm 50 round Winchester USA boxes recently at my local walmart and noticed they had the regular ammo that is supposed to be in there along with nato spec rounds mixed in. Has anyone else noticed this? It seems a bit odd that they would mix up standard pressure ammo and what is similar to +P. I checked out 4 boxes and sure enough they had the same mix.
9mm Winchester USA Mixed with NATO Ammo?
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Shadow 7D
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um... it's all 9mm
put it in your gun and it'll got boom...
don't really see what the problem is
Oh, is it NATO marked OR does it say "9mm NATO"
cause there IS a difference
put it in your gun and it'll got boom...
don't really see what the problem is
Oh, is it NATO marked OR does it say "9mm NATO"
cause there IS a difference
Their handgun ammo is under lock and key plus they do not accept returns on ammo so it appears like manufacturers seconds
I would pass on the stuff.
usp9
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If the NATO ammo was the same price as the regular then you should buy it. It's great practice ammo.
What AK103K said.
It would be sort of stupid and poor judgement to use NATO brass in WWB stuff but Winchester is going through some trying times moving down south and closing the East Alton plant.
Either a disgruntled union worker who is fixing to lose his job dumped the wrong brass in the feed hopper or a non union newbie southern worker dumped the wrong brass in the feed hopper.
Either way the stuff should have been caught, culled, and destroyed.
Since WWb is 115 grain and NATO ball is 124 grain, it opens a whole can of worms as far as liability goes.
I would either
A. tell Wallyworld what you found, likely to not do much good since they will just dump any boo-boo's on the manufacturer anyway.
or,
B. buy a box, call Winchester and report what you have found.
They will issue a call tag, send a rep to the store, pull the ammo if it is mixed, and issue a recall notice.
You will be sent a paid return tag and they will send you a new box of ammo.
No explanation, thank you, or anything like that.
You will just get a new box of ammo in say, four to six weeks 'cause that's how they roll at Winchester Ammunition,,,,
It would be sort of stupid and poor judgement to use NATO brass in WWB stuff but Winchester is going through some trying times moving down south and closing the East Alton plant.
Either a disgruntled union worker who is fixing to lose his job dumped the wrong brass in the feed hopper or a non union newbie southern worker dumped the wrong brass in the feed hopper.
Either way the stuff should have been caught, culled, and destroyed.
Since WWb is 115 grain and NATO ball is 124 grain, it opens a whole can of worms as far as liability goes.
I would either
A. tell Wallyworld what you found, likely to not do much good since they will just dump any boo-boo's on the manufacturer anyway.
or,
B. buy a box, call Winchester and report what you have found.
They will issue a call tag, send a rep to the store, pull the ammo if it is mixed, and issue a recall notice.
You will be sent a paid return tag and they will send you a new box of ammo.
No explanation, thank you, or anything like that.
You will just get a new box of ammo in say, four to six weeks 'cause that's how they roll at Winchester Ammunition,,,,
That's right, all mixed into one box.
That could be it. But, when holding the two cartridges the nato spec felt heavier, as it should being 124 grain. The bullets also look different.
Hardly anyone ever buys the 50 round boxes so it will probably sit there for a while.
I was shooting at my range a couple of weeks ago and a guy walks over and hands me a round and says "I noticed you are shooting a 1911, if it is .45ACP, I just found this one mixed in with my .40S&W White Box."
I take the round, look at it for a few seconds, upend it and look at the headstamp....it said 45 G.A.P. A 45 GAP mixed in with .40S&W. Glad they haded it to me, my dad with his terrible eyesight might have loaded it in the 1911.
Now we know what happens to ammo government inspectors rejected. Seeing that at Walmart is surprising that stuff usually ends up at US gun show circuit or at shady ammo and ole spare parts companies doing business over the net. Not saying there is anything wrong with it but for me it would be analogous to taking pills out of bottle that look different from rest or what I usually expect to find.
My hat off to you gun boys I thought only Russians were not afraid of "radioactivity".
My hat off to you gun boys I thought only Russians were not afraid of "radioactivity".
I think I might just buy a box for the hell of it and see if it is actually nato ammo, or just a nato case used.
I think I'll give Winchester a call also, I'm too curious to let this go.
What do you mean? That one went right over my head.
I think I'll give Winchester a call also, I'm too curious to let this go.
What do you mean? That one went right over my head.
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I had several hundred of these show up in several bulk packs from wallyworld. They were stamped WCC with the NATO cross. While they shot just fine they have been next to impossible to load, primers are a bitch to seat.
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Most of the NATO marked brass has a crimp of some sort on the primer pocket. The Federal and Winchester Ive loaded isnt as bad as some of the others, or like the older stuff, but the pockets are usually "tight", and require some addressing to not be a problem.
Jim Watson
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Agree with AK.
The last box of WWB Value Pack I bought at Cheapmart is apparently ALL NATO headstamp. At least ten drawn at random from the box of 100 were all "WCC 11 (circle-cross)" headstamp. I bet the rest are, too.
I have some "Win 9mm Luger" left from an earlier purchase. When I get out to the shop next, I will weigh samples to see if there is 9 grains difference.
OK, I weighed some. Commercial headstamp and NATO headstamp only .4 grain difference. And the NATO that much lighter.
If there is still concern, I will try out my new chronograph with some... when it quits raining.
The last box of WWB Value Pack I bought at Cheapmart is apparently ALL NATO headstamp. At least ten drawn at random from the box of 100 were all "WCC 11 (circle-cross)" headstamp. I bet the rest are, too.
I have some "Win 9mm Luger" left from an earlier purchase. When I get out to the shop next, I will weigh samples to see if there is 9 grains difference.
OK, I weighed some. Commercial headstamp and NATO headstamp only .4 grain difference. And the NATO that much lighter.
If there is still concern, I will try out my new chronograph with some... when it quits raining.
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Rock185
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I've used quite a bit of WWB and Winchester NATO, but never had any mixed. Anything is possible, but it would be fun to pull and weigh a bullet and chronograph the NATO marked ammo and know for sure if it's NATO, or just NATO marked brass. I have used thousands of rounds of Winchester 124 grain NATO. All had sealed and crimped primers and and sealant around the base of the bullet. I have cronographed it on many occasions over a period of years and found velocities to be very consistant and and overall quality to be excellent. I reload NATO brass, but do have to remove the crimp from each case or else it's not much fun trying to seat fresh primers. Checking for 9 grains difference in bullet weight may not be conclusive. I have found the NATO brass to be heavily constructed and to weigh a few grains more then some, but not all, commercial 9MM cases. Weighing some recent Wally World WWB cases and some WC 11 NATO cases ( both tumbled, deprimed and primer pockets cleaned ) gave an average of 58 grains for the commercial WWB cases and 61.3 grains for NATO cases. I suspect the powder charge might be different too... ymmv
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I was in our local Walmart store once on what apparently was a very slow day.
The counter clerks had dumped a bunch of ammo boxes out on the glass display case and were playing finger football with them like glittering gold nuggets!
Hard to say for sure what got put back in what boxes when they got done playing Brett Favre/Indiana Jones with the ammo.
I was also a shipping & warehouse manager for half my working life.
I know what takes place when somebody spills a pallet load of anything in a truck or on the loading dock.
rc
The counter clerks had dumped a bunch of ammo boxes out on the glass display case and were playing finger football with them like glittering gold nuggets!
Hard to say for sure what got put back in what boxes when they got done playing Brett Favre/Indiana Jones with the ammo.
I was also a shipping & warehouse manager for half my working life.
I know what takes place when somebody spills a pallet load of anything in a truck or on the loading dock.
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