Many people own the old east communist block pistols that use the 9x18 round. They are popular because of their quality and low cost. But the ammo? Most of that stuff comes from about three places in Russia but what a spread! Copper washed, zinc, no-stick poly and paint and lacquer. All steel cased. Some brass cased as well, but expensive. Hollow points, and many ball configurations for the bullets. What do you use in what? Have you found anything that will not work when something else will? Is the non-Russian brass ammo worth it? Was the cheap Norinco better? A complicated subject.