S&B copper plated steel cased 9x19 ammo.

[RON in PA]

There are many threads about shooting steel cased ammo, usually about Wolf ammo, but this report is about the new (at least to me) Sellior and Bellot 9x19 copper plated steel cased ammo. I bought 2 boxes of this to try as it is a bit cheaper than a lot of the brass cased ammo now after the continuing price increase we have seen this year.

In appearance it looks like regular brass cased ammo, if you weren't told what it was you'd never know. S&B calls it copper plated, but it looks like cartridge brass. It holds the usual 115 grain bullet found in inexpensive range ammo.

Shot 50 rounds in my Glock 19C with no problems at all. It seemed to be a bit on the warm side but I don't have any chrono data. It also seems accurate.

I think that it is a viable alternative range ammo and the fact that it is copper coated may eliminate problems seen with lacquered steel ammo.

 

[foxmoor]

Thanks for the report, as I've shot S&B 9mm ammo for years, but just the regular brass cased version and the price is indeed climbing. Your report suggests that this new variety may be worth trying.

 

[usp9]

My main concern is that steel cased ammo is harder on extractors. A coated steel case may tend to leave residue or flakes of the coating. Did you notice any little metal shavings when you shot? Otherwise, S&B has been on my list of reliable, quality ammo for years.

 

[jonnyc]

Many ammo dealers confuse the terms bullet jacket and case. I am betting that the description you got was flawed and that your cases are in-fact brass. Put a magnet to a fired case, or the base of a loaded round, to confirm.

 

[usp9]

jonnyc, The box itself is printed "copper washed, steel cased" One would hope Seller & Bellot would be in the know.

 

[jdc1244]

I have also used S&B for years – I find good prices online and it works very well in my CZs (naturally).

Where did you get this new ammo? Is it available online?

 

[usp9]

Look here...
http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/ammo-for-handguns/9mm-luger/p/9mm-s-b-fmj-steel-case-115gr%2C-1000-rd-cases-/cPath/25_31/products_id/1576

 

[jonnyc]

I'll believe it when I see it myself, or someone does a magnet test on a case. I have seen J&G, as well as other dealers, make errors in their adds (price, material, quantity, corrosive, etc.). The Czechs have very rarely used CWS cases.

 

[wally]

Wolf .380ACP ammo is "copper washed, steel cased" and causes the problems wiht more of my guns than does the polymer coated in .45ACP, .40S&W, or 9mm Wolf steel cases.

If it works in your gun(s), I'd have no problems using it. Around here I can get CCI Blazer a bit cheaper or the reloadable Blazer Brass for a bit more from Walmart or Monarch reloadable brass cased from Academy for about the same cost.

--wally.

 

[ugaarguy]

I'll believe it when I see it myself, or someone does a magnet test on a case. I have seen J&G, as well as other dealers, make errors in their adds (price, material, quantity, corrosive, etc.). The Czechs have very rarely used CWS cases.

Go look at the J&G website. They list both S&B brass case 9mm, and S&B steel case 9mm, each at a different price for obvious reasons. It's not an error. http://www.jgsales.com/index.php/am...25_31?osCsid=c2954e26da18b8ba059e29d6fd4c06e3

 

[RON in PA]

Just to satisfy the doubting Thomases I checked a round from my second box with a magnet. The case is definitely steel. The box says "copper plated steel case".

 

[Moonclip]

I had some older 9x18 S&B ammunition that was also a copper washed steel case.

 

[novaDAK]

From Ammunitionstore.com (they're on vacation right now so you can't navigate through their site, but here's the direct link to their 9mm (SB is second from top):
http://www.ammunitionstore.com/pricelist_9mm.htm

 

[ugaarguy]

Just to satisfy the doubting Thomases I checked a round from my second box with a magnet. The case is definitely steel. The box says "copper plated steel case".

I don't believe you yet. Can you please post a picture of the case sticking to the magnet? Also, can you take the photo facing the case mouth, so we can see that you didn't put something like piece of steel shot into the case to hold it between the shot and the magnet?

novaDAK, that's a nice photo, but how do we know that you or the ammunition store didn't photoshop it just to deceive us?

 

[jonnyc]

No need to be a twit. Something new should be confirmed. When gun and ammo dealers begin to actually know what they're talking about, I will begin to believe their adverts.

Ron, thanks for the confirmation.

 

[GaryArkansas]

The European guns are designed to function over time with the slightly hotter ammo that you find over there. CZ uses Sellier & Bellot ammo for factory QA testing.

My CZ pistols will eat steel case ammo at the same rate and efficiency that I go through M&M's.

 

[novaDAK]

novaDAK, that's a nice photo, but how do we know that you or the ammunition store didn't photoshop it just to deceive us?

I can't, but you'll just have to trust my word. And I'll tell you I don't even have photoshop
and ammunitionstore is a reputable place I've bought from at gunshows

 

[P5 Guy]

I bought a case of this ammo a couple of months ago. It worked well in my Glocks and is indeed magnetic. I pullled down a round and the case is magnetic the bullet is not. In fact the bullet looks like a standard 115FMJ. I didn't weigh the powder. The powder was ball type.

 

[ugaarguy]

No need to be a twit. Something new should be confirmed. When gun and ammo dealers begin to actually know what they're talking about, I will begin to believe their adverts.

Post 5, by usp9
jonnyc, The box itself is printed "copper washed, steel cased" One would hope Seller & Bellot would be in the know.

Post 8, by jonnyc
I'll believe it when I see it myself, or someone does a magnet test on a case. I have seen J&G, as well as other dealers, make errors in their adds (price, material, quantity, corrosive, etc.). The Czechs have very rarely used CWS cases.

I was making a humorous post in reference to that fact that you refuse to believe what you're told when even when someone tells you three posts earlier that "the box itself is printed 'copper washed, steel cased' ". It was meant to be funny, not personal. I never called you any names either, so you have no reason to call me a name.

Further, I work for gun dealer who's been in business since the early 1960s. Your generalization that gun dealers don't know what they're talking about is rude, unfounded, and not in keeping with THR standards.

novaDAK, thanks for seeing the humor in my post.

 

[jonnyc]

And I did not appreciate your attempt at "humor" before I got a serious answer to a serious question.
The original poster said the cases looked like brass. The pic posted showed brass or brass-washed cases. When 2 + 2 does not equal 4...I ask questions.
Spend 5 minutes at a gunshow or reading the ads in the various gun-sales papers and you should understand my scepticism. Perhaps you believe that nobody sells corrosive ammo anymore, but I don't.
I'll leave this here, to maintain the high standards of THR.

 

[ugaarguy]

And I did not appreciate your attempt at "humor" before I got a serious answer to a serious question.

You received serious answers to the question in post 5 when usp9 told you what was printed on the box - not in the ad, but on the box - and again in post 10 when I posted another link to the J&G Sales website showing separate listings for brass and steel case S&B 9mm. You chose to ignore both serious answers. When you ignored serious answers I posted a humorous reply. I even used the emoticons - those little illustrated smiley faces - to show the humorous intent of the post. When I posted a humorous reply you got mad and resorted to name calling. When I called you on the name calling you got mad and said you didn't get a serious answer earlier in the thread, when you in fact got multiple serious answers earlier in the thread. You were wrong, and you got called on it; but you couldn't admit that you were wrong so you resorted to name calling.

 

[CoinMan]

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