9x23 - why haven't you bought one???

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After my first range trip with my spanking new Springfield 9x23, I am amazed that this isn't *the* cartridge of choice in 1/2 the 1911s out there. I can't see an advantage that the .38 super has over the 9x23.

True .357 mag ballistics, recoil is less than a .45 ACP in my hand, capacity is 10+1, etc etc etc.

This could be my new favorite round. I may have to build a LW commander in 9x23 as my primary carry gun.

Best of all, you can fit a 9x19 barrel to the gun and shoot cheap cheap cheap...

I am very pleased with the gun (for the money) and the round bears a hell of a lot more investigation.

If you haven't shot a 9x23 and are in southern LA, hit me up and we can meet at Precision Firearms in Baton Rouge and you can put a few rounds through it...
 
....because 10mm exists....

But seriously, because 10mm exists. I would love to try a 9x23 or a 9x25, but 10mm just looks and sounds so much better to the senses. I've considered a 9x25 barrel. How does 9x25 compare to 9x25? Which is more available (obviously most people reload for them)?
 
Easiest excuse: Haven't ever seen one. Next excuse: Haven't seen any local shops stocking factory ammo. Too many other choices on the market to worry me either way.
 
FWIW, there is no comparison between 10mm and 9x23 - apples and oranges. 9x23, in my gun, doesn't have any meaningful recoil and isn't so loud that it gives you a headache even with ears on at an indoor range - yet it is moving at 1450 FPS...

As far as not having seen one and them not stocking it... I understand... it took them making a hell of an offer on the gun and ammo... but I'm going to try to get the word out. It is an amazing round IMHO - for the power, it is amazingly easy to shoot.

Paul
 
How does 9x25 compare to 9x25? Which is more available (obviously most people reload for them)?
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There's no comparison between the 9x25 versus the 9x25. :neener:
But the 9x25 can be loaded hotter than the 9x23 (more case volume). It needs lubing though, before its sized. The 9x23 is less scarce as far as brass go.
I agree, the 10mm's existence kills the appeal on both cartridges.
 
I have done something better than buy a 9x23 Win.
I know somebody who did and let me shoot his enough to get it out of my system. Just doesn't do anything I need done.
 
I've spoken with people who have used 9 x 23 'operationally' and they speak very highly of it.

Jim Garthwaite has built several 9 x 23 M1911s that are truly impressive guns.
 
.45acp & 10mm take care of business for me when the subject is 1911's. :)
I almost added a 9x23 to my Colt 1911 collection back in the mid 1990's but the cost and scarcity of 9x23 ammo made the decision for me. My loss, but I am over it!


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Pangris: Tell me that your springer is the one that was for sale at Precision. If it is, I saw it at the Lafayette gun show about 2 weeks ago, and it was a smoking hot deal.

I bought a springer .45 (first 1911) in august, a colt delta about 2 months ago, and the only reason I didn't go for that one is I've been trying to work on my self-control.

I agree that the 9x23 rocks, and interchangeable 9x19mm barrels make it a very good idea.
 
.45ACP has been doing the job for 90+ years, does all I need. 9mm for when I want to shoot cheap centerfire ammo.

Why would anyone buy an oddball caliber unless they like to reload more than shoot? To play devil's advocate here.

--wally.
 
My only reservation would be that the bullets used in the 9x23 are 9mm bullets, and most if not all aren't designed to be pushed nearly as fast as the 9x23 is heaving them.

Other than that I really would like to have a 9x23.
 
I have a 9x23 Colt Government Model that also has a 9x19 barrel and bushing fit to it. Most of the time, the 9x19 barrel is the one being used. When I want a little fun, like deer hunting with a 1911, the 9x23 barrel and a 147-grain bullet at 1450 fps gets the call.

Ten rounds of .357 Magnum equivalents stuffed into a 1911 is a lot of fun.

BTW, Winchester has factory ammo. That is how I got the brass I needed.
 
I agree that the 10mm gets the job done nicely.

Why do you think you need or want a .357 magnum in an autoloader?
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Well now, thats just a silly thing to say. "Need" is basically an irrelvant term here. If only pure "need" was applied we would have .45 acp and thats it right? Besides, variety and experimentation make the whole deal just that much more fun. How bland would life be if we didn't have thousands of guns and calibers to try and choose from?

Why NOT have .357 magnum in an autoloader if someone can make one?
Ok, done that, what can we try next? :D :evil: :D
 
Why NOT have .357 magnum in an autoloader if someone can make one?
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They've been made, Desert Eagle & Coonan come to mind. Never really caught on the DE was so big most everyone intrested decided might as well get the .44Mag or .50AE if you want big boomer bragging rights. .357 Mag revolver cartridge is too long to make a grip most folks can use.

I'm just not intrested in "odd ball" cartridges despite any virtures they might have on paper. OTOH I'll buy any caliber who's ammo is cheap and plentiful.

10mm flunks the cheap and plentiful test.

--wally.
 
Pangris: Tell me that your springer is the one that was for sale at Precision. If it is, I saw it at the Lafayette gun show about 2 weeks ago, and it was a smoking hot deal.

I bought a springer .45 (first 1911) in august, a colt delta about 2 months ago, and the only reason I didn't go for that one is I've been trying to work on my self-control.
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Thats the one! Kevin hooked me up - with tax I got the gun and 1150 rounds, 450 of those being silvertips. Couldn't pass it up... Can't wait to get the Nowlin 9mm in there.

And send it to Chuck Rogers or Don Williams... Muahahahaha!

Paul
 
I have never bought a 9x23mm. However, I did build one.

Without a doubt, it is the best cartridge in its class. I have owned and loved .38 Supers for over 2 decades. The 9x23 is what the .38 Super should have been all along.

Remember, the .38 Super was based on a 19th century design. Over a century later, we can do slightly better.

So it's oddball. Big deal. The best performers in any given field are usually oddball.

The 9mm Parabellum is the true freak. It is amazing how this inferior cartridge has become the world's favourite, knocking out an amazing number of superior 9mm cartridges. :cuss:
 
The .38 Super original headspaced on the very anemic rim. Accuracy was pretty bad. Nonte solved the problem a long time ago by cutting the barrel hood on 1911s slightly deeper and allowing the cartridge to headspace on the case mouth.
The .38 Super Comp brass from Starline works very well in a .38 Super Nonte chamber, and if you use a fully supported barrel you can easily run the pressures up without case failures.
 
IMHO after seeing the lengths some people I shoot with go to get the semirimmed case to work, the 9x23 seems nothing less than ideal. I put another 150 rounds downrange yesterday and it is just a great gun. I think I will have to build the LW commander 9x23 for carry.... have to finish the .45 on the bench first.

Paul
 
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