9x23 - why haven't you bought one???

[Nicky Santoro]

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Just more crap AFIC. My 1911 has more than enough capacity and more than enough thump for a house or car gun.



Surely you would agree that more capacity is better... and no pistol has adequate "thump", IMHO. But the .357 mag/9x23 is at least as good, if not better than the .45 ACP when it comes to proven power...

Paul

Not so much. How about an M72 LAW? 106 recoiless rifle? Either of those enough to suit? Holy farging Jesus, in a home defense scenario if you can't get it done with 6 or 7 rounds of .38 or .45 , it's just your time to go.
Fast question. Have you ever actually killed another human being on purpose up close or are we dealing in pure theory here? You'd be amazed how little it takes to end a life.

 

[pangris]

Or you might be amazed as to how much it takes to end one.

I'm lucky enough that I've never had to use a firearm to defend myself or my loved ones, but I've done my homework and talked to the people who have been there and done that enough to know that you might need a .22 short, or you might need something with wheels and a lanyard. I certianly would say more capcity is always better if everything else is a constant. A C&L 1911 in .45 ACP sits on my nightstand every night - and an AR-15 with a 30 round mag isn't far away from that.

I use the .45 at this point because that particular full custom gun has proven itself as much as a gun can prove itself as far as reliability, accuracy, etc. Were everything the same but the caliber, I'd be comfortable with the 9x23.

With that in mind, the issue wasn't is the 1911 in .45 good enough - it is. The point was that the 9x23 is a great round with a lot of merit. It seems relatively unknown and as a longtime shooter and student of guns, shooting sports, and the principles of self defense with a firearm - I thought I'd try to raise awareness about a round I'm excited about.

I'll put the 9x23 through the paces tomorrow at a USPSA match and see how she does.

Paul

 

[Missouri Mule]

Basically because my good ole .45acp has almost 100 years of proven effectiveness behind it.

But mostly because I don't want one. Respectfully....

 

[Ranger61]

I don't have one because I already have autos in the following calibers 7.62 X 23, 380, 9 mm Luger, 357 SIG, 38 Super,357 Mag, 40 S&W, 10MM, 41 Mag, 45 ACP, and 45 Win Mag. I don't feel the need for a 9X23

 

[Myself]

I bought one because I already have a mess of 10mm and 45's. Always wanting to try something new. Now if I can just get around to shooting it.

 

[pangris]

Myself, what did you buy in 9x23?

Paul

 

[Sean Smith]

The best cartridge doesn't always win in the market, it is more about who got there first with something good enough.

9x23 is probably the ideal self-defense cartridge for the 1911. It is designed to feed better than anything else in that platform... just-right OAL, straighter shot into the chamber than a .45 or 10mm, no silly semi-rim like .38 Super, and a nice little taper to make it feed that much better, and hotter ballistics than .38 Super +P.

But it is definitely a niche caliber, much more so than 10mm even. Which is sad, it really is a superior self-defense cartrige for the 1911 by design.

The one good thing about it is that you can very easily have a 9x19/9x23 switch-caliber gun.

 

[ojibweindian]

Pangris

You've piqued my interest in buying a 1911 chambered in 9x23. Are there any manf's. out there who make one that won't cost thousands?

 

[Dreamer]

9X23; Another caliber that has no reason to exist, just like the 45 GAP. It seems that some of the shooting public is looking for the magic cartridge that will allow the shooter to miss the target 15 times, and still be able to do damage to the target by virtue of its case length and velocity.

Some of us "Old Farts" grew up having only one gun, and we learned to shoot the one we had, we also learned what a good solid hit would do even with a diminutive caliber. " A hit with a 22 is better than a miss with a 50 BMG."

Over the years I've become quite familiar with 1911 45 ACP. It will do anything the above mentioned caliber's can do and then some. Assuming, of course, the shooter can hit what he/she is aiming at.

It will be interesting to see how long this cartridge will be around. Hey, I'm not so set in my ways that I would not look at it as an option once it has a proven track record and is readily available at "Wally World" Just my 02.

 

[pangris]

You've piqued my interest in buying a 1911 chambered in 9x23. Are there any manf's. out there who make one that won't cost thousands?

ANY 9x19 1911 - Springers, Colts, STI (which would be my choice) can be reamed to a 9x23 for about $40. Add a couple 38 super mags and a $7 recoil spring and you are in business for well under $100.

If you were willing to spend $1100-ish, you could get a $950 9x19 STI trojan and another barrel in 9x23 and have a HELL of a set up - the best shooting range gun out there IMHO, the STI Trojan in 9x19, and an exceptional HD/SD gun in 9x23 that will feel identical in your hand, same trigger, sights, etc and just be a really neat all around gun.

 

[eerw]

The Winchester 9x23 came to be...as a competition cartridge..

originally spec'd and designed by John Ricco of CP Bullets as a way to shoot .355 bullets in a safer case than 38 super..( ramped barrels were not as prevalent, and powders to use were still very limited..)

Ricco had Winchester run the brass which was marked CP 9x23...then Winchester made some modifications and marketed the brass and two loads...

There was some legal issues...and now we are where we are...

it is an interesting cartridge...good brass for competition..just a lot more expensive than 38 super and 9x19..

The factory loads due mimic .357 magnum, which has a good reputation to be a fight stopper, but for 9x23..there is not enough data..

it makes an interesting carbine round...Ricco made some AR conversion units using Sterling 9mm mags...and it makes an interesting conversion of the Glock 20...Barsto made some barrels...

Anyway..I like the round..have a couple of guns for it...like most things I choose to have...easy to reload for, have a stock pile of factory ammo, guns are accurate and easy to make run...

 

[pangris]

9X23; Another caliber that has no reason to exist, just like the 45 GAP. It seems that some of the shooting public is looking for the magic cartridge that will allow the shooter to miss the target 15 times, and still be able to do damage to the target by virtue of its case length and velocity..

Some of us "Old Farts" grew up having only one gun, and we learned to shoot the one we had, we also learned what a good solid hit would do even with a diminutive caliber. " A hit with a 22 is better than a miss with a 50 BMG."

Over the years I've become quite familiar with 1911 45 ACP. It will do anything the above mentioned caliber's can do and then some. Assuming, of course, the shooter can hit what he/she is aiming at.

It will be interesting to see how long this cartridge will be around. Hey, I'm not so set in my ways that I would not look at it as an option once it has a proven track record and is readily available at "Wally World" Just my 02 [/qoute]

One gun??? Good sweet Lord, how did you manage??

FWIW, the round has been around since 1908 in one form or another, and Cooper formalized the formula in the early days of sport shooting, and Winchester has now adopted/stolen the round. It isn't dying anyitme soon as it seems to spread by word of mouth. Shoot mine and you might change your mind

 

[Myself]

Pangris

This one.

 

[Wakal]

Three STI Open guns...and I liked the way they shot so well that I built a STI Commander for carry

.45 ACP is a nice cartridge (for which I have three single stacks, three P14's, and a 625). However, when I grew up I realized that there had been some advances in martial firearms in the last hundred years

Otherwise, I'd have a '03 under my back seat instead of a M4





Alex

 

[Sean Smith]

I've always found it curious how people assume that because they don't have a use for something, nobody else would.

 

[pangris]

However, when I grew up I realized that there had been some advances in martial firearms in the last hundred years

Actually, I believe the 1911 and the premise for the 9x23 both showed up almost 100 years ago

But I'd go out on a limb and say the stuff we have today is a bit nicer in almost every way

 

[Wakal]

Modular-framed plastic-grip CNC-machined double-stack pistols took a bit longer.

Although I'm inordinately fond of my Broomhandles in 7.63 by 25mm...a very slick round for 1896!




Alex

 

[pangris]

Point taken, said the man looking at a STI VIP

In 9x23!!

 

[Otherguy Overby]

Tejas Pistols

Pangris, would the VIP be your first Tejas pistol?

STI, SV and Dawson, who builds his own version of STIs are all exceptional pistols.

Spendy yes, but you won't regret it.

 

[pangris]

The VIP will be my second Map of Texas. I have a Trojan in 9mm and it is an exceptional pistol. I'm thinking about having a 9x23 barrel fitted to it only problem is the adjustable sites - as a result, I'd never actually carry it.

Paul