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A bad Pietta Remington

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Tallship

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I decided that I wanted a Remington to go with all my Colts, so I ordered one from Cabela's for $199, which seemed to be a good price. When it arrived a couple of days ago, I took it out of the package and it looked beautiful, real nice bluing job, and seemed to work well as far as the action was concerned. As is my custom, I started to take it completely apart to clean off all the preservative and see how it was put together inside. Everything was going great until I tried to unscrew the bolt/trigger spring screw. The darn thing would not budge. So I put some penetrating oil on it, let it sit overnight and tried again. That screw must have been welded in there :cuss:. At that point I decided to just send it back for a replacement.

Moral of the story is, if I hadn't taken it apart immediately and just wiped the goop off and started shooting, it might have been months until I discovered the problem. Always take a new gun apart down to the last screw to make sure everything works right!;)
 
In an earlier thread another member, new to the sport, had the same problem. In his case Cabela's was reported to have claimed that the screw was not intended to be removed and that Pietta put Loc-Tite on it to prevent removal.

I've never been able to confirm that the Cabela's customer rep actually said such a thing; Cabela's took his gun back too, I believe.
 
I have a pair of Pietta 58's purchased from Dixie. Same thing happened when I tried to remove the triggerguard screw.
But I remembered what I did to open a kettle of wine in China years ago that had it's porcelain lid sealed with resin.

In the case of the Piettas, I fit in a screwdriver blade as carefully as possible, while keeping firm pressure on it, so it won't slip out and mess up the screw once I go in for it. Concentrate on the screw and the screw itself. Inhale deeply. Hold your breath for a second. Then, with firm, but gentle pressure, unscrew counterclockwise while exhaling.

The screw would come out clean that way. You won't risk damaging it at all. Things get damaged when people put force into them without paying attention to their concentration and motives. Your body's Qi is designed to work properly only if you are concentrated into what you are doing. A poorly guided qi would result in hip pain and cramps and other aches and discomfort. Most professional athletes in baseball and other sports do not properly focus their qi. That is the reason they suffer many sports injuries.

When I opened that kettle of 100 year old wine on my great uncle's courtyard, it would have resulted in me having a serious cramp and the kettle broken in many places if I had not used qi in it's proper way. The breathing exercise I just said about is very essential to focusing qi.

A properly focused qi will enable someone to perform amazing tasks, including an unarmed fighter taking down an armed opponent. The problem that we face is that a person under stress might not be able to focus qi properly. Even especially experienced students face that.

Just want to share another piece of 8th Route Army wisdom with you.
 
I experienced the same problem with most C&B I bought, wrecking several screwheads in the process until I bought the Stubby Ratchet screwdriver from Lyman. There's not one screw resisting it and the heads are now kept in pristine condition.
 
my Pietta Remmy bought frm EMF had the same trouble as described by the OP.

I don't know about that qi stuff, a little deep for me. I used penetrating oil. let it soak in for an hour or so. firmly planted (used a mallet to force the tip into the slot)a good screwdriver into the slot on the cylinder bolt spring screw and with a LOT of downward pressure I got the screw to come out. Really not that big a deal once it moved a hair.

As odd as it may sound I believe using the mallet to strike a downward blow onto the screw is what allowed it to break free.
 
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Must be a US thing. My 1858 will strip right down without any problem. The screw that you are talking about I think is in the front of the pistol grip and should actually apply tension to the spring so it should move!
 
I`ve run into the over tight screws on both Pietta`s and Uberti`s ..both companys must have an over zealous worker ...what it takes to get these over tightened screws out is a good gunsmith quaility screw driver ..You`ll need to get that screw out of you want to do any polishing on the internals ..and I`m sure it needs it ..that trigger spring screw doesn`t need be that tight ..I always tighten mine then back off 1/4 turn ..no since in makeing the lock up bolt slap the cylinder ahead of the notch that hard , it`ll just dent the cylinder there ..
 
I agree

+1 to Sundance. I have had problems with that screw in Uberti and Pietta and Armi San Marco. You do need a screwdriver that fits that screw perfectly, some way to hold the gun, and slowly apply enough torque and it will turn.

I also got my Pietta Remington from Cabela's a few years ago, but mine had tool marks underneath the top strap. I was not happy to see that. Still, it has been a solid shooter - once I got it taken apart and polished some of the surfaces and took the flash off the springs. My one big complaint though has been the mainspring, which 1) seems to be weak and took shiming to get back to working the hammer good enough to fire, and 2) replacement springs did not work, either. I did not have that problem with a Lyman Remington replica.

The Doc is out now. :cool:
 
Impact screw driver. Now i would not use one on a brass frame. but i would on a steel frame. And impact screw driver comes in a box with a set of bits. you would match up the bit to the screw driver. File it down if needed. Then put in the driver. Then turn the impact to loosen. put the frame on a firm surface with some padding around it. Place the bit in the slot. Make sure it is in there really good. Then hit the back of the driver with a hammer. Do it a couple times then use a screw driver to un screw it.
 
this used to be almost universal. the percussion revolver would have at least one screw that was almost impossible to remove. Your job, Find It.

Older guns also tended to have brittle screws that would crumble away if you applied enough torque.
 
I forgot to add in my previous post, you have to place the pistol in accordance with its Feng Shui in order to more harmoniously with the the environment disengage the screw from its hole.

:neener::neener::neener:

The Doc is out now. :cool::D
 
Hey, Scrat, I've been looking for an impact driver down here in San Diego, but no one seems to know what they are, let alone have them to sell. Where did you get yours?
 
You weren't holding your mouth right........................Seriously.....I bought a Cabelas Remmy back in 98................Both of the trigger bolt lock screws were hell to get out.............But I didnt try for a year...........Had to really rap hard on the screwdriver to "Jar" the threads in addition to using Kroil.................................Bob
 
Long ago, when I drank adult beverages, I found the ratio of messed up screw heads were in perportion to the wild turkey and coke consumed on a winter night at the kitchen table......:cuss:
 
Must be a US thing. My 1858 will strip right down without any problem.
That's because we make bigger guns.
You would need a tire wrench and a crowbar to take'm apart. :what:
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Long ago, when I drank adult beverages, I found the ratio of messed up screw heads were in perportion to the wild turkey and coke consumed on a winter night at the kitchen table

Guns and Alcohol don't mix :cuss: The bluing messes up the taste of the booze :cool::cool:
 
I forgot to add in my previous post, you have to place the pistol in accordance with its Feng Shui in order to more harmoniously with the the environment disengage the screw from its hole.

LOL:D

However, harmony is essential to everything. Just look inside the mechanism of the Remington. Look at how the cylinder bolt, cylinder hand, hammer, handspring, trigger, trigger/bolt spring, and mainspring all fit into each other in well balanced proportions, yet never forcing or squeezing against each other? That way, they can work together so you can put a smile on your face hitting a perfect score on targets at the gunrange, or protecting you and your loved ones from a criminal maniac.

In the northeastern United States, there is a wildflower related to the anemones that is very sensitive to human presence. When a human being is present only mere feet away or he builds roads or houses nearby, the little fragile plant vanishes practically overnight. Surely, this is evidence of the transfer of invisible energy that is noted by the Daoist masters over several thousands of years ago in Zhou Dynasty China.

With practice, the breathing exercise that I am talking about will become second nature.
When I practice with my Da Dao every day, I always inhale when readying the huge sword, and exhaling in an abrupt gust when slicing downward. The energy released in such a stroke is tremendous. The wind from the blade was able to make the flame of a kerosene lantern flicker from several feet away. Imagine what the blade would do upon impact upon a samurai armor, tatami roll, or any modern day fighter, armored or unarmored.
It would be devastating.

When I practice with both of my Remingtons, I do the following: Concentrate and holding breath while cocking both weapons and focusing on target. Then exhaling firmly while firing at targets. It greatly helps me maintain my balance and posture. Firing with both pistols is difficult enough, to increase the challenge, I fire while spinning rapidly on my feet toward the targets. While turning my body around and around, I cock while facing away from the targets, then take aim and fire in swift motions as soon as I turn to face the targets. Usually, I mount more targets than 12. I spin, and fire while carrying the Da Dao on my back, the same way the 8th Route Army soldiers carried them into battle. Once after I fired my last round, I stuck both pistols into the cloth belt around my waist while I am facing away from the targets, and draw the Da Dao in one single motion. When I face the target again, I would take a leap, while spinning, and slice the target off it's post. Once I land, I would be facing away from the target, then, while keeping my spinning in motion, leap again toward the next target. Whoosh! Cut! And on and on with the remaining targets, all the time while spinning at faster and faster pace, slowing down only after the last target has been sliced off it's post.

I have been practicing that for over a year now. Still, I had not mastered it to the point I wanted to:) The place where I had the most problem with is putting both pistols into my belt AND drawing the sword, in the half second that I am spinning away from the target and spinning back towards it. Usually, I am only able to put both pistols back into my belt on the first spin, and on the second spin, draw the sword from behind my back The spinning part serves to make the test more difficult. However, I was able to hit all or most of the targets in one sweep on a regular basis, then with the sword, I was able to cut down all the remaining ones. The key of succeeding in such practice is coordinate on your target and your weapon while moving rapidly.
 
Geeze there should be a warning at the bottom ...don`t try this at your local range ...they might not understand the power of DA DAO ..
 
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