A Cz at least, a Cz at last :)

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[This is my first post to THR in a long while, and my first time reading it in a while, too -- I just didn't read the site for several months as part of an effort to concentrate better on school. Not saying this was a *successful* effort, exactly, but Hey :) I hope to at least browse here more often than I have since last September.]

Earlier this week, I looked at the local Gander Mountain to see a) whether they had a Cz P-01 at an astoundingly, impossibly low price (No, they didn't, and not even one at a realistic price), and b) whether anything interesting was on the used shelf (when I'm home from school on break, hard to stop me from doing this at least once), and Well, Yes, there were quite a few. Ever thus. However, nothing really and truly grabbed me, until I spotted a Cz-75 in one of the shelves usually full of used guns. "$449?" Thought I, "That doesn't seem too crazily out of line with Gander Mountain prices on a used gun, but still -- too close to retail, and thus forgettable."

However, further inspection revealed it to be not used, but new (making it about $100 below that never-seen-in-the-wild thing called MSRP, and not *too* bad compared to prices I've seen online). However, I refrained from buying, knowing that I'd be around a few more days, and that reflection leads to better choices, there are more fish in the pond, that most of my cashflow is hypothetical, etc. Also, I'm definitely in the market for a concealable gun, and don't currently have one that I'm yet fat enough to consider anything but sore-thumb conspicuous. So, I was also taking that time to consider for the n-billionth time a Taurus Millennium P-111, a Keltec P11 or PF9, or similar pocket-9.

Went back today to see if that same gun was still in stock; the P-01 is higher on my list (everyone has a List, right?) and they still had none on hand, but the Cz-75 is still pretty well up there. I didn't see it! A shiver of disappointment, followed by much poring over the other guns in stock, which includes several which also occupy slots on that same list. There was one counter which was blocked by a fellow who (along with his family) was assiduously considering several guns from a particular counter; I wanted to take a closer look at those guns (at least to see what they were), but I know what it's like to be shouldered aside when pondering a purchase, so I tried to sidle around politely, waiting for a chance to see what was in that counter. When the clouds parted, there it was! The same Cz-75BD I'd seen elsewhere on Monday.

Not only that, but all the guns in that cabinet were marked with 20%-off tags (so I can see why he was poring with so much interest); I'd gotten wind of this when some sort of conversation among the staff behind counter had taken place, along the lines of "Hey, you know we have to take off all those 20% tags, right? That's for *hunting* gear, not for the handguns." Thus alerted, by the time I saw the Cz, it was just being taken out for its tagectomy ("tagotomy?"). I said "Hey there! Before you put that one back, I'm actually interested in it ... and it was 20 percent off a few minutes ago, right?" (The conversation was amiable, though.)

Turns out, there was still a smaller discount, tiered like the tax code, such that a gun selling in the bracket of the Cz ($400-$600, I think) would be discounted $60, rather than the $90 that 20% would have made. Since I'd been standing there patiently waiting (at least, I suppose that's why), the fellow who handed me the gun, seeing that I was very interested but didn't have my wallet out yet, intelligently offered to split the difference, making $75 off the $449 price, an offer I happily took. With the required call-in fee and taxes, therefore, it came in just a shade over $400.

For a new gun, and one I hope to be worth as much as current owners seem to consider it worth, I count that as a fair-enough bargain; I have fired a Cz rarely, but I very much like the feel of the Cz-75 line in my hand. (And it makes me chuckle that some of the money allocated to its purchase comes from money I earned this summer from a very nice and likeable but anti-gun professor of mine.)

Tomorrow morning, after a cleaning, it's time to shoot! :)

Cheers,

timothy

EDIT: By the by, the Cz came with two things I was very pleasantly surprised to discover (since I frankly went not needing to be convinced by any of the extras in the box, and didn't consider them): 1) it comes with a plastic mag-feeder doohickey (as did my XD), and I think these are brilliant and 2) glowing sights! From reading more about them, it seems like *all* current Cz-75 variants come by default with either the simple glowing ones like mine or (as an default on some models, upgrade on others) the brighter tritium ones. Never had glowing sights before, despite *liking* them, because of the additional expense. Now, one the cheapest guns I've ever bought is the only one that has 'em, and I didn't even know until I got home -- funny world.
 
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Congrats, I got the same gun. You got it for a really good price too!

I think the night sights need to be "charged" by sunlight. Since mine is stored in the box, the night sights never really work.
 
As Zeusrock1 said, they aren't really night sights. They do need to be charged by light, and they don't last as long as tritium sights. All that being said, you still got a pretty good deal on a NIB 75B. You're going to love it. Shoot the crap out of it, and get some snap caps and dry fire it A BUNCH. The trigger will improve dramatically. You'll also see that the accuracy is great.
 
With the required call-in fee

Hmmmm...I've never had to pay for the call-in when I have purchased a gun at a local gunshop. Nice find, however. I just payed $425 for a new CZ 75 B and I thought I did okay.

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Several months ago I was at the gun shop sizing up Commander-sized 1911’s. On a whim, I handled, then subsequently purchased, a standard CZ75B. It had a teething issue (premature slide lock with ammo still in the magazine) which I was able to fix myself, and a gritty trigger, which was also easily handled thanks to the magic of the internet. It’s now by far my favorite 9mm, and my plastic nines haven’t seen much ammo lately.
 
I bought the 75BD back in 2002. I put the Kadet Kit on it immediately. .22 slide to replace the 9mm slide. Very accurate and good to shoot. 10 bricks of .22 is the best trigger job available. I liked the adjustable sights on the Kadet so well that I bought some for the 9mm slide. I didn't need night sights with my other at home defense stuff. I have added a fiber optic front sight for games. I also put on some slim grips and it's away right now getting fitted for the Bar Sto barrel. You made a great purchase.

When I bought mine at a gun show one of the normal Rubes around the table asked "Why would anyone buy one of them CZ's" (Rubes always use poor grammar) The dealer quickly replied "Someone who wants to buy a $600 gun for $400".

Enjoy.
 
Whether it is your first CZ or your tenth. The 75BD is an excellent choice.
Could only be better if it was in stainless.
 
congrats on the new gun, they are excellent, as for those night sights, a quick 30 second charge from a flashlight or headlights of a car and they are good to go for hours. I like the fact that they don't continually glow and stick out light some of the more expensive one's. they serve me well anyhow
 
I handled, then subsequently purchased, a standard CZ75B. It had a teething issue (premature slide lock with ammo still in the magazine)

I bought mine a few months ago and had this same problem. After I spoke to the CZ gunsmith, he sent me a new slide stop and slide stop spring. I haven't had a problem since I replaced those parts. It was most likely the spring, but i replaced both parts anyway. It will be hard to find a more accurate and natural pointing gun than the CZ75. Everybody should have at least one.
 
Minor followup:

This morning, I did get to the range (not too far from Harrisburg), and shot 95 rounds through the new Cz. (Why 95? Because though I've never in all the times I've been there felt anything but safe, I don't like to *not* have a different gun loaded and close to hand*; in this case, it was another 9mm, and a magazine loaded with 5 rounds of the 100 I had handy. Monk -- the television detective -- would not approve.)

Observations:

A) Fun! Exhilarating! Excellent! Of the guns I've fired or own, this seems to be as accurate as any of them in my hands (perhaps edged out by my S&W 625), and also points as naturally as any of them, including slightly-slimmer Browning BDM. I am no crack shot, sadly, but this gun made me look better than I sometimes do.

B) A had a few (3, I think) minor hiccups:

1) Failure to feed on Round 1. (Round 1!) However, I chalk that one up to uncertainty either on my part ("Gee, this sure *seems* like everything's in good order ...") or the gun's ("Who's this guy? Wait a second, I'm nowhere *near* Prague!"). Perhaps I didn't give the magazine an authoritative enough KLOMP when inserting it. But for the record, I can complain that "Not even shot one worked for me!" if I should for some unforeseen reason decide I don't like the gun.

2) Premature slidelock: A cartridge was angled as if to be nicely slid into the chamber as the slide returned to battery, but some never-caught gremlin kept it back instead. (Looks like I'm not alone; if it happens a few more times, I might follow the course described by tech4061 of getting a new spring and / or slide stop.) I dropped the mag, released the slide manually, and the cartridge was chambered just fine. Ejected, inspected, reloaded into magazine, lather, rinse, chamber, fire, bingo.

3) One more Failure to feed, somewhere deep in my 2d box of ammo.

C) With more time and money, I would have brought and fired a few more boxes, but for today (a pleasant, chilly morning), a couple of boxes was the perfect amount. The hitches I found above are ones I ascribe to either human error (magazine seating, say) and not-yet-smoothed-out parts, and I note them only to augment my own memory.

D) The trigger's not bad. For me (no connoisseur), my 625 in single-action has perhaps my favorite trigger, and this Cz's is notably stffer and clunkier, though I would call it nothing like gritty or creepy. If it stayed exactly as it is, I'd be well content, but I hope that reports of improvement with further use are as accurate as they are numerous.

Thanks for the useful replies above -- no buyer's remorse has struck me yet ;) And wrt:

Everybody should have at least one.

The P-01 calls out, but it's calling out "When you're making actual money, stupid!"

timothy

* It seems to me that a brave or foolhardy thief who wanted to steal a gun could do well by waiting for people at the range -- frequently used by only one person at a time -- who seem to be target-shooters rather than CCW types (ignoring for now whether there is a recognizable "type") to exhaust all their ammunition, then relieving them of their empty gun(s).
 
CZF wrote:
Whether it is your first CZ or your tenth. The 75BD is an excellent choice. Could only be better if it was in stainless.

I know what you mean -- I have a weakness for stainless guns, too. OTOH, I think Czs in particular look best in black. Perhaps one day I'll grab one in stainless to disabuse myself of excess fastidiousness ;) (Or a two-tone vz.82 or Cz-83, if I get wild and crazy by allowing one more caliber to enter the picture. A Cz-97 is on the List, too.)

timothy
 
I bought mine at a gun show ( I was actually looking for a S&W 410 , when I saw the 75B sitting on a dealer table & I bought I instead. Didn't really know too much about them & left the gunshow a little disapointed that I hadn't found the Smith. I took my CZ to the range and by the end of the first box of ammo it became my primary carry weapon ( it actually displaced my 1911) I think I paid 400 W/ 2 mags and a holster
 
CZ

My favorite CZ is the CZ83. I bought a ncie Hi-Power insread of the CZ75. My 83 is the most accurate 380 I have ever seen. I would also say that CZs seem to have a panache not seen in most ther makes
 
yhtomit- Your failure to feed on a few rounds might be nothing at all, or it could be that your feedramp needs to be LIGHTLY polished. Put 400-500 rounds through it first before you make any modifications. If you are still getting some FTFs than it might be worth your investement of a few seconds with a felt wheel on a Dremel.

4 things to remember if you attempt this though:
1. Shoot several hundred rounds first and make sure this FTF problem is really there.
2. You just want to polish the feed ramp, not grind it down, hence the felt wheel. Don't touch the chamber.
3. Work on it for a few seconds at a time. Seriously! You can always take more material off, it's really hard to put it back on.
4. If you don't know what a Dremel is, or don't own a well used one, forget that you read this.

Most of all, have fun w/that CZ.
 
OOPS I DID IT AGAIN. Went to the gun show with the wife yesterday & I finally talked her into trading her poc Llama .380 for a CZ 82 (9 X 18 ) we went from the show to the range and one box of ammo later the poc Llama is sitting in a case in the safe & th 82 has taken its rightful place in DWs CC purse. Gone at last Gone at last! Great Gawd all mighty that poc Llama's gone at last! ( W/ sincere apologies to Reverend Dr. King.
 
Welcome to the club.
The top one is a used CZ 75B that I got for $299 plus fees. The bottom is a brand new P-01.
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when people talk about possible 'good, cheap guns', CZ ends up in the discussion for very good reasons. They tend to shoot and perform much better than what might be expected for the budget.
 
armoredman and dasmi: Those P-01 shots are great -- rub it in that I had to "settle" for a 75BD, why don'tcha? ;) Actually, with the Cz-75BD, I have something which could be called the opposite of buyer's remorse -- it looks better to me now *out* of the shop than it did inside, probably because it feels so nice in the hand.

Calhoun: Thanks for the polishing idea, but don't worry, I will let 500 rounds (or more -- right now, I buy ammo and range-trip gas less than I'd like for more than I'd prefer) go through before I consider it anything more than the most minor of teething troubles. The failures I mentioned were annoying, but in practice were quickly and safely cleared and (all but) forgotten.

I had hoped to go out shooting once more with the same gun before returning for another round of law school, but as it is I hit a bit of snow and a few traffic snarls, and was 10 minutes late for my first class -- so just as well I decided to get more sleep time instead of more range time. Next month, though!

timothy
 
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