Deathrider1579
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Hey! I had this debate with a random person who commented on my blog the other day and I thought yall would enjoy it / comment on how I could have done better, just please be nice!
I am of course Deathrider1579 your humble corispondent
The opisition is known as Toserveman
Debate starteth here: (note edited for content.... yeah he curses a lot)
OK thats where the debate ended I decided it wasn't worth the hassle and I was starting to get mad.
How do yall think I did? I know I screwed up a couple of times but I thought it went over well.
-DR
I am of course Deathrider1579 your humble corispondent
The opisition is known as Toserveman
Debate starteth here: (note edited for content.... yeah he curses a lot)
Im all for gun control!
OK tell me this- why is it so hard to just make guns less available for young people? If most of the people buying these guns are "law abiding citizens" why would they not fill out a little more paperwork or be required to store their guns in a safer place? Thats all that I'm asking. I don't think that guns should be made illegal by any means because you are right that violent crime would most likely increase.
"One should never assume that the people who are trying to sell you on a concept are telling you the whole truth. (There is money involved, you know.)"
It's interesting how you say that right after you used the news as one of your examples, and we all know that the mainstream news is not a reliable source.
Yes, it is possible that they could have used bombs, but the fact is that they didn't. Bombs would have required a lot more work than just going to the thrift store and buying a gun, which they did. I don't think that this tragedy was completely unavoidable, but I do think that without the guns, it wouldn't have happened.
And I know evolution is off the topic but this is something that I feel strongly about. I choose to believe something that has STRONG scientific evidence behind it rather than a 2000 year old book, which a lot of the scenarios in have been proved completely absurd and impossible. But whatever, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
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Posted 9/11/2006 at 5:31 PM by ToServeMan
My Responce:
Because it is unconstitutional that’s why.
Any form of restriction on arms is a violation so egregious that I am at a loss to explain how disgusting it is.
The responsibility for our safety rests solely with each of us individually, and that includes children.
Storage of arms is a non - issue.
Paper work is another violation of said constitution; if I have to do more paper work for a gun then a hammer the constitution is being raped.
You are welcome to disagree with me and comment accordingly over on my blog
Posted 9/11/2006 at 7:28 PM by Deathrider1579
Ok so you are saying that just because something is in the constitution it shouldn't be changed? Maybe women shouldn't vote and african americans should still be slaves too then? I understand where you are coming from but in my opinion, a little more hassle for the law abiding citizens could mean a lot less tragedies like Columbine. I hate guns, I think that nobody should own one, but I do realize that in today's society it's completely impossible. Gun control laws don't mean that nobody can own a gun, it's just a way of trying to keep them out of the wrong hands.
F*** GUNS
and that's the end of it
Posted 9/11/2006 at 10:01 PM by ToServeMan
My response:
Yes I am saying that if something is in the constitution is should never, ever be changed I just skimmed my electronic copy of the constitution and I could not find one place where it said anything about slaves, women voters etc. But I do see where it says I can own and carry in any manor I deem fit; a ready to use weapon.
The Civilian population armed and ready to maintain their freedom is the only thing that keeps us free. Without guns and other weapons there would be nothing to stop a tyrant from enslaving all of us.
Any form of gun control or registration is simply an act of tyranny, ever single time a gun registration has been allowed to come to fruition, it has resulted in confiscation of legally held arms and a hike in violent crime.
Posted 9/12/2006 at 12:13 AM by Deathrider1579
Are you f***ing retarted? Those things WERE in the constitution and they were ALREADY changed. What the f***, where the h*** did you go to school? Is controlling illegal drugs an act of tyranny? Christ, you people are dumb.
Posted 9/12/2006 at 11:03 AM by ToServeMan
And while I'm at it I'll say f*** the bible too.
Posted 9/12/2006 at 11:05 AM by ToServeMan
hmm Well where I went to school is irrelevant, but perhaps as far as the drugs... having a debate about that else where... I really don't care about the drugs except that some drugs are inherently psychotic and cause people to not know what they are doing. Again this is irrelevant because the right to fry your brain on acid and then go rob a store so you can afford to do it again is no where in the constitution the right to own a weapon is.
I am against any control on freedoms that are explicitly stated in the constitution because any infringement is still infringement.
"And while I'm at it I'll say f*** the bible too."
Whatever dude its your right to say that.
Posted 9/14/2006 at 11:50 PM by Deathrider1579
First off it's very hard to take somebody seriously trying to argue for the rights of their country's constitution when they don't even know what is in it, which you have already proved to me by that last comment.I don't even know why I'm still arguing with you but what the h***. Ok so was lsd or meth specifically mentioned in the constitution? Why don't you check your "electronic copy"? Well according to your logic anything that isn't in the constitution should be legal right? Or does that only mean things that you want? So how about abortion- that's not specifically mentioned in the constitution in 1776, but apparently it should NEVER be changed so it should be legal according to you. Your comments are completely hypocritical of each other. And that example of robbing a store on drugs- you need 2 key ingredients for that to happen: 1. drugs 2. A GUN
And any infringement is still infringement huh? You are a bible thumper so I'm guessing you are against abortion, gay marriage, and anything else in your precious little book. Guess what- that's still infringement! If you want one right, such as the one to bear arms, you have to take a lot of rights with it. Equal rights means equal rights for everyone to do whatever they please.
Posted 9/16/2006 at 2:20 AM by ToServeMan
LOL
Ok
1. I study the constitution on a regular basis
2. Abortion is a violation of the baby’s rights. The mother made her choice when she had sex.
3. You don't need a gun to commit a violent crime, I can find tapes of crimes committed with knives and clubs etc all over the internet as well as the news and news papers (ok so the newspapers don't have videos but you get the point... I hope)
4. Yeah you have to take a lot of rights with the right to keep and bear arms but abortion, drugs, gay marriage etc are not rights, some of them deserve debate such as drugs and gay marriage, but abortion is murder and that simply is not even worthy of debate.
5. Equal rights does not mean I have to let you get away with driving your car around drunk, at least not if you run into mine, it does not mean I have to let you get so stoned out of your mind that you think the cars driving down the highway are nice little horses and go run to catch one. Nor does it mean that I have to allow someone to do something I find abhorrent in my town providing that particular act is not protected by the constitution.
I am not quite sure why your so hacked off... having trouble defending your position without attacking me personally? LOL
OH btw, saying "I have the right to have arms to protect my freedom" and turning around and saying "you can't kill your children" is not hypocritical.
Posted 9/16/2006 at 4:35 PM by Deathrider1579
What the f***? You think I'm having a hard time defending my position? You were the one who somehow didn't know at one time people owned slaves and women couldn't vote, even though you study the constituion regularly. And I just like to attack you personally because you are a complete dumbass. Ok so when a woman gets raped she made that decision right? She should be forced to have that baby because she made the decision and should have to deal with it.
And why the f*** do you have a gun anyways? Do people get mugged regularly in Hicksville? You have changed your mind like 10 times in this argument. Marriage isn't a right? Taking drugs isn't a right either? Apparently "rights" are only what is convenient to you. So let's just live our lives completely by the bible ok? If someone steals something we can just stone them to death. Or maybe we can even torture them and put them on a big wooden cross or something too. Obviously the bible is always right so let's just do whatever it tells us. Jesus Christ, I can't even argue with you anymore, you are by far the most ignorant person I have ever had the displeasure of speaking with. And you are what like 23 years old and you spend all day on xanga probably at your mom's house. Why don't you go outside and shoot guns or talk about Jesus or something. Grow up.
And you have no idea how much fun this is for me. I can't wait for the next comment just to see what dumb s*** you have to say next. It's very entertaining.
Posted 9/16/2006 at 8:44 PM by ToServeMan
LOL you are actually quite amusing, I saw very little in the way of defending your position but ok lets dig through this;
Yes I do think you are having a hard time defending your position, you have resorted to the classic methods of defending an un-defendable position: Swearing, Personal attacks and belligerence.
I never said I was unaware of slavery or of the lack of voting rights for women, I simply pointed out that neither was mentioned in the constitution which they aren’t.
A woman who gets raped and wants to have an abortion… a classic response to a call to end the slaughter of children, in response I ask is it the child’s fault that his father raped this woman? Why kill the child for the sins of the father?
Yeah, people get mugged regularly here by Houston, TX we have a serous crime problem mostly gangs but self defense is still not the primary purpose of the second amendment defending our freedoms and keeping the government in check is.
RE drugs and gay marriage, I am simply saying that it should be up for debate because neither of them is spoken of in the constitution.
I am not sure how you arrived at your conclusions regarding my intelligence or lack there of or of my housing situation and my usage of time although again quite amusing has nothing to do with our debate.
Posted 9/16/2006 at 11:20 PM by Deathrider1579
**** nubs with guns think they know how to run a country.....did you go to a remedial school or something. Hicks with guns are lame people... it is so sad that stupid people can get guns so easy in this country. Back in my country( Canada) it was very hard to get a gun and a weird thing happend... gun crime was low.
Posted 9/17/2006 at 12:28 PM by SkankinSpenny
Hahaha I'm having a hard time defending my position? I've had an answer to every single point you have made, and I haven't changed my mind once. That's less than you can say. And I just like to make fun of you because it's so easy. You didn't even deny any of my conclusions about you so I'll just assume they are true. Hahahaha omg this is too funny. I can't get over how smart you think you are. It's like you really believe it. Just get off you computer for 1 hour and have your mom go make you a grilled cheese or something and you can talk about what she did wrong when she raised a person like you. I'm not even bothering to bring up any more points in this argument because as far as I'm concerned, I've already won. Hahaha wow this was definitely a fun time- you gave me some hilarious reading. Bye bye.
Posted 9/17/2006 at 1:28 PM by ToServeMan
Um no, no you haven't had an answer to any of my points save an expletive in my direction and to pat your self on the back for being oh so witty.
I ignored your conclusions as they are humorless and completely unfounded albeit humorous.
I challenge you to point out a single point you have countered effectively, or one I have overlooked.
I think as far as you are concerned everyone who disagrees with you is a moron or stupid or something which is a difficult position to defend.
Also I am convinced that you decided you had this thing in the bag from the moment we started irregardless of the points and content.
Skankinspenny; I don't know how much history you have had, but our country was founded by whacko freedom lovers who had more moxie than the brits when it came to gunplay. By the by, its a proven fact that when guns are made illegal then crime as a whole goes up.
I am riveted to see you respond with more of your witty repartee.
Posted 9/17/2006 at 7:40 PM by Deathrider1579
LOL I really like how you criticize skankinspenny for how much history he has had when somehow you didn't know slavery or women not voting ever existed.
Posted 9/18/2006 at 5:37 PM by ToServeMan
I never said that, I as I have pointed out in at lest 2 posts simply stated that neither are in the constitution which they are not. The fact that they existed is not in question, you said they were in the constitution and they are not.
Posted 9/18/2006 at 11:28 PM by Deathrider1579
Do you know how to read? I said they WERE in the constitution, and they were CHANGED, which goes against your point of saying nothing in the constitution should ever be changed.
Posted 9/19/2006 at 11:08 AM by ToServeMan
Dude I was state champion in debate, you are clearly losing and also your retarded. Oh and I am a college student so i think i know my history.
Posted 9/20/2006 at 11:34 PM by SkankinSpenny
This is gay...
Posted 9/22/2006 at 1:51 PM by Scuzzy5005
I am also in college and know my history, toserve man I would like you to provide an explicit example of what exactly you are talking about, I have checked my copy of the constitution, and talked to a couple history professors here at school and none of us are sure what you are talking about. The 14th amendment made it explicitly illegal to own slaves, but the original constitution never spoke on the subject one way or the other.
Make your points clear or admit defeat!
Posted 9/22/2006 at 5:17 PM by Deathrider1579
What the f*** are you talking about? Just because a right isn't specifically in the constitution word for word doesnt mean that it isn't legal. The constitution made it legal to own slaves, no it was not in there word for word. However, women not voting WAS in there word for word. And it doesn't matter because in both cases, the constitution was CHANGED. That's what the argument was about. Make my points clear? I've made every one of my points very clear, you are the one who has trouble expressing their words. Seriously just give up on this argument, you are clearly losing so please do us all a favor and shut up.
And on another note, you are 23 years old and you have an icon of a cat shooting flames out of a gun, grow the f*** up.
Posted 9/23/2006 at 2:21 AM by ToServeMan
More attacks! LOL you lack substance!
Both issues were simply omitted from the document; they were not included in the negative. Ergo the issues were not addressed and things remained as they were until the civil war for slavery and women’s suffrage for the women voting thing. Your point lacks.
I and most of the people I know find the cat funny.
BTW I will be posting this conversation in my blog just so other people know what’s going on. have a nice day.
Posted 9/23/2006 at 3:00 AM by Deathrider1579
How can you even say I lack substance? I've made more points than you have on behalf of my argument. Oh and you and most of the people you know find the cat funny because you are inbred hicks who like to shoot guns. Post that in your blog too.
Posted 9/23/2006 at 11:30 AM by ToServeMan
Hahaha the fact that you think you are still winning this argument is making me laugh pretty hard so please keep posting.
Posted 9/23/2006 at 11:35 AM by ToServeMan
OK thats where the debate ended I decided it wasn't worth the hassle and I was starting to get mad.
How do yall think I did? I know I screwed up a couple of times but I thought it went over well.
-DR
