braindead0
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Stupidity, with all the wonderul navigation technology that I'm sure they had...they got lost... Perhaps they were actually trying to defect to Iraq?
We'll never know...
A Different View of Jessicas Rescue
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Stupidity, with all the wonderul navigation technology that I'm sure they had...they got lost... Perhaps they were actually trying to defect to Iraq?
We'll never know...
rennaissancemann
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There are some people you just can't reach...
Joe Demko
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Do not compare lawyers to sharks. Sharks are a necessary part of the marine ecosystem. They are wonderfully evolved predators.
If you must compare lawyers to something in nature, one of the parasitic worm species might be more apt. Leeches, tapeworms, ascaris, any of these more closely parallel how lawyers batten off of living hosts.
If you must compare lawyers to something in nature, one of the parasitic worm species might be more apt. Leeches, tapeworms, ascaris, any of these more closely parallel how lawyers batten off of living hosts.
Preacherman
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I have a suggestion. Let's raise the money (here on THR is fine - I suspect we'd be oversubscribed!) to buy this idiot 
an air ticket to West Virginia. He would be met at the airport by all of Ms. Lynch's relatives, complete with tar, feathers, and any other exotic West Virginian pleasantries that I may not know about. They would then be given 30 minutes uninterrupted access to him to debate the merits of his article, after which all that is left of him could catch the plane back to London.
Any takers?
an air ticket to West Virginia. He would be met at the airport by all of Ms. Lynch's relatives, complete with tar, feathers, and any other exotic West Virginian pleasantries that I may not know about. They would then be given 30 minutes uninterrupted access to him to debate the merits of his article, after which all that is left of him could catch the plane back to London.Any takers?
Ol' Badger
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What a ******!
The slam against GOD doesn't sit will with me either. He needs a *** kick'n.
The slam against GOD doesn't sit will with me either. He needs a *** kick'n.
That rescue mission also accomplished the retrieval of the remains of seven of Lynch's comrades. They are no longer MIAs which is some little consolation for their families.
Doesn't this twit Sewell know that the US military has entire units whose sole purpose is search and rescue. In fact, one of the S&R team members that was shot down in 1991 Gulf War was a woman doctor.
Listening to the Liddy radio program this afternoon. He mentioned briefly that retired Col. David Hackworth has sources who said that when Private Lynch was captured, she was hung by her feet and beaten. Apparently, that is how she ended up with some many broken bones.
Gen. Franks may very well might have known that too. Liddy's big fear is that the Government will try and keep this information hushed up, if it turns out to be true.
Doesn't this twit Sewell know that the US military has entire units whose sole purpose is search and rescue. In fact, one of the S&R team members that was shot down in 1991 Gulf War was a woman doctor.
Listening to the Liddy radio program this afternoon. He mentioned briefly that retired Col. David Hackworth has sources who said that when Private Lynch was captured, she was hung by her feet and beaten. Apparently, that is how she ended up with some many broken bones.
Gen. Franks may very well might have known that too. Liddy's big fear is that the Government will try and keep this information hushed up, if it turns out to be true.
Viking Warrior
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A little present for saddam.
So, Braindead..., you've never gotten lost while out driving where maps were readily available, the streets were well marked, and you spoke the local language? Everyone has gotten lost. I'm sure getting shot at makes it a little harder to remember the left turn one should normally take. In fact the convoys in Somalia took a number of wrong turns trying to get to the crash sites, lemme guess, Delta and the Rangers wanted to defect to Aidid.
Before you put forth something that ludicrous, considering what members of the 507th did and didn't survive, maybe you ought to have a little something known as proof.
Don Gwinn
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I was trying to be nicer to the sharks, not the lawyers. 
cool45auto
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Sewell, your mama isn't good enough to wear army boots! That's right, Sewell, I said ARMY BOOTs, like a WOMAN wears in the army. Like a WOMAN kicks *** with in the army!
Sir Galahad
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Let that POS "writer" come up here and tell the Hopi Tribe that Lori Piestewa is not a hero and that her good friend shouldn't have been rescued.
George Dickel
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I doubt if things have changed much since I retired from the Army in 1986 but support troops get very little practical training in basic soldier skills like map reading, marksmanship, etc once they complete initial training. Their job in the military is to provide the necessities a unit needs to be operational.
When combat types are in garrison the only thing they have to do is train when not picking up trash on post, guard duty and other mundane tasks. When in garrison the support people are ordering the replacement parts, turning in broken equipment for repair, cooking the meals, repairing the vehicles and doing preventive maintenance, and on and on. This is a full time and more job.
To be proficient at basic soldier skills you have to practice them, over and over. When the unit goes to the field the support people are doing what they do in garrison, fix the broken equipment, cook the meals, etc. They don't get the opportunity to practice these tasks like the infantry types do.
There usually is only enough money in the units budget for weapons qualifications once a year for non-infantry units. No practice range sessions, shoot a few rounds before qualification and that's it.
Before you criticize them so severely try doing what they do and lets see how well you perform.
When combat types are in garrison the only thing they have to do is train when not picking up trash on post, guard duty and other mundane tasks. When in garrison the support people are ordering the replacement parts, turning in broken equipment for repair, cooking the meals, repairing the vehicles and doing preventive maintenance, and on and on. This is a full time and more job.
To be proficient at basic soldier skills you have to practice them, over and over. When the unit goes to the field the support people are doing what they do in garrison, fix the broken equipment, cook the meals, etc. They don't get the opportunity to practice these tasks like the infantry types do.
There usually is only enough money in the units budget for weapons qualifications once a year for non-infantry units. No practice range sessions, shoot a few rounds before qualification and that's it.
Before you criticize them so severely try doing what they do and lets see how well you perform.
voilsb
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I'm not goig to read too many responses here, because I don't feel like getting my temper fired up tonight.
This guy doesn't know what he's talking about in the least. No one get's left behind.
This guy doesn't know what he's talking about in the least. No one get's left behind.
I'm sorry folks, but I think you're missing something here
The left in the west, especially in the US and the UK is in near hysterical panic - not only did the antiwar demos (both pre and post start of festivities) end up fizzling, but all of their gloom and doom predictions were w-r-o-n-g and those who stood against the war are now laughingstocks.
Even most of the "mainstream" media have deserted them. Not only that, but the UN demanded that the US and the UK ask *them* what to do next and when the relevant parties ignored them the UN tried to organize a group action with France, Germany and assorted others - remember two days ago it was announced that kohfi what's his name was going to go to France, Germany, and some place else and negotiate with their governments about how *they* were going to take over post-war Iraq and then yesterday late there was an announcement by a UN spokeshack that the meetings had been called off? Any bets on what sort of message the Bush&Blair summit sent to them via backchannels suggesting they knock it off? hmm???
In other words the left, which during the years of billy jeff felt that they owned the world, have suddenly realized they don't, and that no one in power, in fact almost no one outside of their little elitist groups, even cares about what they think.
In the fall of baghdad, all the globalist ideals of the left were proven wrong, and as with all one trick ponies, they don't have a clue what to do next.
Now with all of that in mind, go back and look at how truly pathetic that poor brit leftwinger really sounds.
The left in the west, especially in the US and the UK is in near hysterical panic - not only did the antiwar demos (both pre and post start of festivities) end up fizzling, but all of their gloom and doom predictions were w-r-o-n-g and those who stood against the war are now laughingstocks.
Even most of the "mainstream" media have deserted them. Not only that, but the UN demanded that the US and the UK ask *them* what to do next and when the relevant parties ignored them the UN tried to organize a group action with France, Germany and assorted others - remember two days ago it was announced that kohfi what's his name was going to go to France, Germany, and some place else and negotiate with their governments about how *they* were going to take over post-war Iraq and then yesterday late there was an announcement by a UN spokeshack that the meetings had been called off? Any bets on what sort of message the Bush&Blair summit sent to them via backchannels suggesting they knock it off? hmm???
In other words the left, which during the years of billy jeff felt that they owned the world, have suddenly realized they don't, and that no one in power, in fact almost no one outside of their little elitist groups, even cares about what they think.
In the fall of baghdad, all the globalist ideals of the left were proven wrong, and as with all one trick ponies, they don't have a clue what to do next.
Now with all of that in mind, go back and look at how truly pathetic that poor brit leftwinger really sounds.
Zander
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It is our established protocol that POWs will be "retrieved"...sometimes at great cost to those tasked for the rescue. Ask Jimmy "I never met a dictator I didn't like" Carter.
Quite true; and also demonstrably true that her participation in this war is a direct result of the the intentional weakening of standards from basic training forward for all US services personnel.
Such PC-driven guidelines are at best despicable, as they represent a threat to our services' effectiveness and morale.
Bull-manure!
As many as were necessary.
She was rescued because she wears the uniform of our services...and for no other reason. Whether or not she should have been in uniform in combat is another discussion entirely. But for the record, IMO, she should not have been.
I couldn't agree more. The inherent physical inferiority of the female sex represents an unacceptable threat to their male counterparts in combat situations.
Tamara
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I love hearing this from folks I'd have a fair chance against in an armwrestling contest.
I don't think 5'4", 100lb people need to be in combat arms no matter whether they're pointers or setters. What always amused me, however, when working in gunshops, was hearing some annoying droning accountant in the corner nattering on and on about "Men have 42% more upper body strength than women..." when I could have snapped his 5'2" self over my knee like a stale Mister Salty. Funny, though: Every single one of those guys had a drivers license that said they were 5'10" or 6' tall...
Let me modify this: In a perfect world, anybody who meets the physical requirements should be able to perform the job, but no slack should be cut for sex, age, infirmities or whatever. If you want Job A, then you need to be able to run three miles in X minutes, do Y pull-ups, and lift Z pounds, whether you're a 19 year-old female or a 56 year-old male.
In the world we currently inhabit, I don't think our society is ready for female combatants, no matter if they're in better shape than Flo Jo and have an attitude that makes Vasquez from Aliens look like a Girl Scout.
Zander
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Once again, you've missed or intentionally ignored the point.
It is a matter of fact that standards, from PT qualifications onward, were relaxed so that women could qualify for duty of any type. I had, and have, absolutely no problem with females meeting the formerly existing standards for service...whether they were/are arm-wrestling champions or not.
But that isn't the real criterion these days, is it?
Tamara - this may surprise you but I think a significant number of female combatants are already out there in what are known as Combat support units - a la the maintenance unit that was ambushed leading to the whole Jessica what's her name thing. That was true even a quarter of a century ago. I know because I knew one of them who was assigned to a tactical CEWI (that's Combat Electronic Warfare and Intelligence - and that acronym alone will probably raise this board's level of interest to the Watchers, but so what?) unit. She was also the only person other than a couple of body builder mechanic guys I've ever met who could change a tire (80 pounds counting the two piece rim) on a deuce and a half by herself.
They're out there, they just generally stay low key, or they used to, anyway.
They're out there, they just generally stay low key, or they used to, anyway.
Tamara
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Zander,
Perhaps you should read my whole post again.
"Once again" you make me doubt the belief that manners were universally taught south of the Mason-Dixon line.
Perhaps you should read my whole post again.
"Once again" you make me doubt the belief that manners were universally taught south of the Mason-Dixon line.
Sir Galahad
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Get 'em Tamara!
I was in a maintenance unit. I was a small arms repairman. There were several female soldiers, one of whom was a truck mech. She had no problem dropping drivelines on deuce-and-a-halfs. They had no problem keeping up with the PT (or runs were 3 and 4 miles, not the standard 2 of some units.) They did their job admirably and I have nothing but respect for them. In AIT, there were a number of female soldiers learning small arms repair and--guess what? Most of them were better at it than the males! I never saw a female do less than her share of the work. They were soldiers. That's the bottom line.
Here's more food for thought. PFC Lynch withstood severe injuries with very little medical attention. At any point, she could have just gave up and died. People who give up the will to live have died of lesser injuries. I'd also like to call attention to the female Soviet snipers of WW2, some of whom had confirmed kils of 100+, including one with 200+ kills. Women can't withstand pain or hard labor? When the first man passes a basketball out of his fourth point of contact, then we'll see.
I was in a maintenance unit. I was a small arms repairman. There were several female soldiers, one of whom was a truck mech. She had no problem dropping drivelines on deuce-and-a-halfs. They had no problem keeping up with the PT (or runs were 3 and 4 miles, not the standard 2 of some units.) They did their job admirably and I have nothing but respect for them. In AIT, there were a number of female soldiers learning small arms repair and--guess what? Most of them were better at it than the males! I never saw a female do less than her share of the work. They were soldiers. That's the bottom line.
Here's more food for thought. PFC Lynch withstood severe injuries with very little medical attention. At any point, she could have just gave up and died. People who give up the will to live have died of lesser injuries. I'd also like to call attention to the female Soviet snipers of WW2, some of whom had confirmed kils of 100+, including one with 200+ kills. Women can't withstand pain or hard labor? When the first man passes a basketball out of his fourth point of contact, then we'll see.
Zander
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Precisely. The requirements were changed [i.e., standards were lessened]; IOW, the proverbial "no-slack" criteria were mitigated so that female recruits would be able to meet the minimum qualifying standards.
Is this clear? I know it is...
I do beg your pardon, ma'am. But let me put it in the blunt terms of someone like yourself who has experience other than in the South of my birth:
I prefer fact to your sophistry. Further:
In the interest of fairness, please dispute the established history of the lessening of the most basic standards so that females might "qualify" for service in our armed forces. Please be specific, as your own standards, feigned or otherwise, would require.
Your most humble servant...
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rock jock
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In support units, I agree. But I have to say that the author has a point regarding the distraction that women could represent in the heat of actual combat.
Wildalaska
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See that one all the time...guy walks in with wife, and maybe six kids...
"Hi, Id like to buy a 243 for my wife, shes not tough enough to stand the pain of a 30-06"
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