Absolutely. I've lived in CA and NY earlier in life and there isn't enough money in the world to get me to move back to either of them. Women are a dime a dozen and I've had dozens. I'd find another.
A dilemma: good gun laws or a good shooting community?
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yeti
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Ain't no such critter here! unless 42,000 makes for a large city?(Burlington, largest city in Vt.)
Some of them tiny, cute, flatlander hideaways are pretty rabidly anti gun, but most of Vermont's socialist population are gunners, odd how that worked out, ain't it?
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I think your two options present a false choice.
Your first option describes any large city, in any state. But large cities are surrounded by smaller towns. So within that "state with good laws" there are many towns with people who believe as you do.
Your second option describes many smaller towns...not just in Blue states, but in all states.
So if you cannot find "the best of both worlds", try a little harder.
Your first option describes any large city, in any state. But large cities are surrounded by smaller towns. So within that "state with good laws" there are many towns with people who believe as you do.
Your second option describes many smaller towns...not just in Blue states, but in all states.
So if you cannot find "the best of both worlds", try a little harder.
olafhardtB
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Do you have a car? I drive 40 miles to a range. I also shoot off my back porch. Many people have little idea of what is in 50 miles of their home. I drive 30 miles to buy groceries. There is some merit to considering state lines near your home.
Liquidring
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My shooting range, i walk out my back door, sit down and fire away. I ran about 400 rounds of .223 this past Saturday, i couldnt give 2 hoots in H$&@ what my nieghbors think about me. Ive found that when most say they have your back, you better check and make sure that both of thier hands are not on your shoulders while they do.
Our "nieghbors" also ran over 1000 rounds Saturday in his back yard, i couldnt care less, as long as he doesnt shot my way, and Ive told him this, but to live in a place where they say "Oh we love guns", but the " LAW" says otherwise, I dont think so.
Our "nieghbors" also ran over 1000 rounds Saturday in his back yard, i couldnt care less, as long as he doesnt shot my way, and Ive told him this, but to live in a place where they say "Oh we love guns", but the " LAW" says otherwise, I dont think so.
Lost Sheep
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Hey, even if the post is a troll, it is an intriguing question.
To misapply Shakespeare, "Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune"
Would I live in a place where I enjoyed legal rights or where I enjoyed the comfort and support of a supportive community in a hostile legal environment?
Black in a Jim Crow state?
Arab in Israel?
Rohingya in Miyanmar?
Hindu in Pakistan?
How many of those who prefer to live where the laws are friendly would sacrifice that convenience for the rigors (that our founding fathers embraced) to band together and re-form this "more perfect union" that tries to guarantee those freedoms we hold dear.
Do we luxuriate in the freedoms out forefathers bought for us? Do we spend our efforts to buy back for our children those same freedoms that are being vacuumed up from us, state by state?
Having said that, I recognize that I live in a gun-friendly state and enjoy a community that embraces the shooting sports. So, I have few sacrifices I have been called upon to make. But I support pro-choice candidates and laws wherever I can and oppose anti-choice politicians and laws at every turn. I choose the right to be my arbiter of what is right and wrong and the right to possess the means of self-defense is one of the most important, for symbolism as well as for real-world practical reasons.
Live in a comfortably secure condition? Oppose tyranny in an uncomfortable legal environment?
I have friends and family in California. Maybe I should move....and vote.
Those examples I gave earlier run in a range from life-threatening to merely inconvenient. Sure, if I were to die if I stayed in a state or a country, I might leave (or form an underground resistance, which is life-risking enough), but we live in a country that allows, even encourages. us to form communities and organizations to change local laws inhospitable to our beliefs (and, by extension, Federal laws, too). So, living where laws are in opposition to our choice to embrace the Second Amendment, but where we have an inchoate politically powerful gun-friendly community, are we not missing an opportunity if we don't stay and work (fight) to change the world to guarantee us the right to choose to shoot, to hunt, to carry?
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gamestalker
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Just another reminder of why I love living in the "constitutionally free" state of Arizona.
Doesn't matter if your a non resident or not, if your in our state, all the laws are exactly the same, and apply in exactly the same manner regardless of what city or county your in.
BTW, we have "constitutional carry" which means just that. Anyone who is of legal age, and not restricted according to federal law, can legally carry any firearm or firearms, without a permit of any type, concealed or openly, it just doesn't matter in this truly constitutionally free state.
The gun ranges are inexpensive, and you don't have to be restricted to just shooting at ranges, public lands are immense. When I don't shoot on public lands, I go to one of my local ranges, $8 per day, all day long, or $60 annual membership.
So to answer your question, pick any community within Arizona, and the "gun friendly" atmosphere will be all around you. Come give us a visit, and you probably won't want to leave.
GS
Doesn't matter if your a non resident or not, if your in our state, all the laws are exactly the same, and apply in exactly the same manner regardless of what city or county your in.
BTW, we have "constitutional carry" which means just that. Anyone who is of legal age, and not restricted according to federal law, can legally carry any firearm or firearms, without a permit of any type, concealed or openly, it just doesn't matter in this truly constitutionally free state.
The gun ranges are inexpensive, and you don't have to be restricted to just shooting at ranges, public lands are immense. When I don't shoot on public lands, I go to one of my local ranges, $8 per day, all day long, or $60 annual membership.
So to answer your question, pick any community within Arizona, and the "gun friendly" atmosphere will be all around you. Come give us a visit, and you probably won't want to leave.
GS
Black Knight
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Sounds to me like you are talking about Virginia. Open carry is legal, concealed carry is legal with permit, no AWB, shall issue CHP and state preemption. I live in a small city run by dummycrats, we even have a storm water fee assessed on our personal property tax. Depending on how much it rains the higher the fee. They got away with this by calling it a fee instead of a tax which must be voted on by the General Assembly. If the Mayor or one of his minions get a wild hair up their backsides I have absolutely no problem collecting a million plus settlement from them. It is a good thing that the local city police have more common sense than the city councilors and Mayor.
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P5 Guy
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I left (escaped) New Jersey. Now I live in Saint Petersburg FL. I'm certain that if it wasn't for the state's preemption legislation and punishment to localities that try to preempt, the mayor, council and police chief would love to infringe on the gun owners. As an example, the city shut out the public from using the police pistol range. A shooting facility that for the twenty some years I've lived here I shot at and was a non-voting member. I am a mere civilian after all, only retired or active LEO could vote.
On the county level the present sheriff is adamantly anti-gun as was the sheriff before. There is a U-tube of Jim Coats saying at a legislation hearing he'd order all his deputies to draw on open carriers if a law allowing it passed.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say a good number of my neighbors are not happy hearing about the others going to the county range, hunting or even owning guns.
On the county level the present sheriff is adamantly anti-gun as was the sheriff before. There is a U-tube of Jim Coats saying at a legislation hearing he'd order all his deputies to draw on open carriers if a law allowing it passed.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say a good number of my neighbors are not happy hearing about the others going to the county range, hunting or even owning guns.
xxjumbojimboxx
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My sentiments exactly. Its also easier to transform an anti, than it is to change a law.
xxjumbojimboxx
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... That is of course.... unless you go walking down dirt roads when its dark. At which point youll have shady methhead neighbors acting nuts and putting you in code red!
mgmorden
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State laws. I don't discuss nor care to discuss my guns with my neighbors. Unless they happen to catch a very early morning glimpse of a rifle case going into my vehicle when going hunting (or the rare case when I take a long gun to the range - I mostly target shoot with handguns), then they wouldn't even know that I own guns.
And did anyone call him out on the fact that he was threatening felony violence if a law were to pass? That seems like it might violate federal law on a few levels...
22-rimfire
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I don't understand what a "strong shooting community" means? But to address your question, I generally don't care what the neighbors think. Gun laws are not my prime reason for choosing a place to live. However, there are some states that I would prefer not to live in for various reasons.
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gun friendly state. unless i have to move(military) i have all my family in california, I have zero interest in going there(or anywhere south of canada).
I dont like most people. love alaska though.
I dont like most people. love alaska though.
TanklessPro
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I pick the best things from both options and none of the bad from either.
That's why I live in Alabama. I'm surrounded by shooters and non shooters that support RKBA. Last state election we had a people's vote, " we support 2a" and it passed by a 9 to 1 vote.
That's why I live in Alabama. I'm surrounded by shooters and non shooters that support RKBA. Last state election we had a people's vote, " we support 2a" and it passed by a 9 to 1 vote.
I haven't read the whole thread and I'm guessing this has been said before but the spouse of my dreams wouldn't want to live in either place any more than I would. I don't, I won't and never did. I don't know that gun laws are the sole reason I wouldn't want to live in those places. It's more that they are just another brick in the wall. I can think of a whole bunch of reasons not to live in Baltimore for example. The fact that they have one of the most restrictive gun laws in the country now is ancillary to the fact that they are falling completely apart. Those things just naturally seem to go together in this country. Fewer guns means more crime usually. Sometimes abject poverty leads to more crime too. Those things just seem to meet up in the cities where the guns laws are the most restrictive. Criminals don't obey laws. They have guns anyway. A city with strong anti-gun laws is just prime hunting territory for them. Clearly having CCW laws puts a crimp in the armed robbery industry. So those people who want to go into that line of work just move on to a city that protects them more. And it has worked out so well for Baltimore. The city is now officially out of control with crime rates skyrocketing since the 6 cops were charged with whatever it was they were charged with.
If it was possible to round up every gun on the planet and destroy them so that no one could ever shoot someone again I would not be in favor of it. There are many needs for guns beyond just killing people. And the closer a government (like a city govt.) gets to trying to make the world into a gun free planet the worse things get there. It's just stupid to go down that path. I won't support doing it and I won't live where they do it.
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Lord Teapot
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good gun laws
no contest
no contest
susieqz
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you know, with good gun laws, there really isn't always a ''shooting community''.
on the high plains, all rural households have guns, like they all have saws n hammers.
we shoot in our backyards, but don't join clubs. those are for city folk.
we don't have fancy ar15s, just working guns.
i carry just because of snakes, not for fun.
on the high plains, all rural households have guns, like they all have saws n hammers.
we shoot in our backyards, but don't join clubs. those are for city folk.
we don't have fancy ar15s, just working guns.
i carry just because of snakes, not for fun.
22-rimfire
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Oh, there has to be some fun involved or you won't consistently do it. I don't see enough problem snakes to matter and a good stick is all you need and probably works better than a gun unless it's a Cobra, Python or Anaconda. Funny... those are most of the Colt snake guns.
Elkins45
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I live in a gun friendly state in a rural gun-friendly area. I still don't have any friends who I shoot or discuss guns with. I'm my own 'community of one'.
I will take good laws every time. Who wants to be part of a shooting community where all you can do is get together and gripe about all the ways the state wants to turn you into a felon?
I will take good laws every time. Who wants to be part of a shooting community where all you can do is get together and gripe about all the ways the state wants to turn you into a felon?
susieqz
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22, if you wanna go against a 6' rattler with a stick, go ahead.
i've already posted how 2 weeks ago, this thing struck but hit the fence. it hit above my waist.
that close to the heart doesn't mean a week in the hospital, it means death.
this thing was much faster than me. it didn't rattle first either.
my 22/45 saved my life.
i love my gun. it will never be sold, even tho it's just a working gun.
i've already posted how 2 weeks ago, this thing struck but hit the fence. it hit above my waist.
that close to the heart doesn't mean a week in the hospital, it means death.
this thing was much faster than me. it didn't rattle first either.
my 22/45 saved my life.
i love my gun. it will never be sold, even tho it's just a working gun.
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