Deaf Smith
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If you go the 10mm route they do make the Glock 29. Snubby 10mm.
Get a Pearce mag extension to have room for your pinkie finger and there you go.
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A disturbance in the force... I need a new gun, but which? Help me please.
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Get a Pearce mag extension to have room for your pinkie finger and there you go.
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I've done your job.
I can tell you that an auto (of any kind) will ride very nicely in the back map pocket of a Filson vest just above your belt.
The firearm is accessible enough, even with a pack on.
Weight is redistributed to the shoulders and off the hip.
This is something you can easily try right now before you go off buying something else.
If you want to stay with a revolver, you might consider getting a cheap but well padded holster so that the cylinder doesn't dig into your back. Same goes for an auto. You want the padding, nothing more.
I settled on a Model 60-10, 5 shot in 3", .357 at about 25 oz weight. I use hot .38's in mine. Quite a bit lighter than a Mod 66/19. Carry a reload in a speed loader or strip with any revolver.
Not as easy to shoot well as the heavier gun, but it rides easy all day.
I can tell you that an auto (of any kind) will ride very nicely in the back map pocket of a Filson vest just above your belt.
The firearm is accessible enough, even with a pack on.
Weight is redistributed to the shoulders and off the hip.
This is something you can easily try right now before you go off buying something else.
If you want to stay with a revolver, you might consider getting a cheap but well padded holster so that the cylinder doesn't dig into your back. Same goes for an auto. You want the padding, nothing more.
I settled on a Model 60-10, 5 shot in 3", .357 at about 25 oz weight. I use hot .38's in mine. Quite a bit lighter than a Mod 66/19. Carry a reload in a speed loader or strip with any revolver.
Not as easy to shoot well as the heavier gun, but it rides easy all day.
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Hill People Gear makes a nice kit bag that holds a gun right on your chest. They make them in all sizes. They are marketed towards runners primarily, but might fit your situation.
http://hillpeoplegear.com/Products/tabid/762/CategoryID/1/Default.aspx
http://hillpeoplegear.com/Products/tabid/762/CategoryID/1/Default.aspx
honestly i don't get the chest rig... in the cold season it would be ok and give good access without having to dig under your coat (notice that all the demo pictures show it being worn in the cold weather..) but as a summer carry when you're hiking up a hill, drenched in sweat... or with a pack on your back... are you kidding?
i don't do casual hikes. if i'm hiking i'm sweating. even when hiking for fun on a trail going less than 30 miles in a day just seems lazy to me. [/rant]
i appreciate the suggestion.. but aside from its lack of appeal to me, i already stated that i shoulder holsters and chest rigs are not an option for me as i need my shoulders, sides and somtimes chest as well for my work gear.
i don't do casual hikes. if i'm hiking i'm sweating. even when hiking for fun on a trail going less than 30 miles in a day just seems lazy to me. [/rant]
i appreciate the suggestion.. but aside from its lack of appeal to me, i already stated that i shoulder holsters and chest rigs are not an option for me as i need my shoulders, sides and somtimes chest as well for my work gear.
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Revolver on one hip, 3 or 4 speed loaders on the other side (maybe a knife or multi tool there also), for a tiny bit of side-to-side daily weight distribution "evenness". Buy a cross draw holster (as one of the other posters said) and then every other day/hike, just switch/alternate back and forth, your revolver carry side and the side the speed loaders go on. With all the critters you have the chance to encounter, I'd probably be inclined to carry a 4" bbl .44 mag revolver, but that's just me.
For us City Folk, can you tell us what does a Stand Exam Contractor do?
For us City Folk, can you tell us what does a Stand Exam Contractor do?
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A stand exam contractor is paid by the federal government, state government, or private land owner of some large scale forest setting. Sample plots are put in place that measure a great many things such as:
Merchantable and submerchantable timber, seedling and sapling numbers, species, dead standing trees and the likely cause of death, fuel loading in different size classes, tree age, slope and slope position of the plot, potential growing space, canopy closure, shrubs and plant association, and sight trees which are the dominant/codominant trees on the sight used to determine sight index and productivity.
There are probably more things recorded than I am recalling off hand. I'm a forester and silviculturist in training, not a contractor. Bluejeans will probably have more to add.
Simple elementary sampling techniques are used based on forest stand variability to determine the number of plots needed for a decent sample, and on my forest the contractor is paid by the plot. Then, in the case of national forests, the data is fed into a program called Common Stand Exam. This program analyzes the data based on the variance, and generates reports that in a simple answer, gives you average numbers for the forest stand. That data is then used by silviculturists as a defensible data set to write vegetation management prescriptions.
Typical stand exams cover thousands of acres and require several plots per stand. As an example, I did a stand exam on a 112 acre stand, and it required 15 plots. A good contractor can finish a single plot in 30 to 45 minutes. But those bummer plots with lots of down and dead and or regeneration can take much longer. Usually, a contractor starts at a reference point and navigates to and establishes the plots by hiking in and carrying all their equipment. The equipment includes:
Tatum (metal clipboard)
Diameter tape/logger's tape
Clinometer
Possibly a laser for measuring tree heights
Increment borer
Relaskop
Reference booklets
Lunch
Extra clothing
Gun
It's a full time job that is physically demanding. As Bluejeans said, 10-30 miles of walking in a day is not out of line. And some contractors choose to camp, so they may have a tent and two or more days of food with them.
Those requirements make gun choice and carry position critical. A knot in the back caused by a heavy gun or the wrong holster can seriously impact his ability to work.
Timber cruising which I do frequently, is usually faster and doesn't require camping, but still requires a lot of gear.
Merchantable and submerchantable timber, seedling and sapling numbers, species, dead standing trees and the likely cause of death, fuel loading in different size classes, tree age, slope and slope position of the plot, potential growing space, canopy closure, shrubs and plant association, and sight trees which are the dominant/codominant trees on the sight used to determine sight index and productivity.
There are probably more things recorded than I am recalling off hand. I'm a forester and silviculturist in training, not a contractor. Bluejeans will probably have more to add.
Simple elementary sampling techniques are used based on forest stand variability to determine the number of plots needed for a decent sample, and on my forest the contractor is paid by the plot. Then, in the case of national forests, the data is fed into a program called Common Stand Exam. This program analyzes the data based on the variance, and generates reports that in a simple answer, gives you average numbers for the forest stand. That data is then used by silviculturists as a defensible data set to write vegetation management prescriptions.
Typical stand exams cover thousands of acres and require several plots per stand. As an example, I did a stand exam on a 112 acre stand, and it required 15 plots. A good contractor can finish a single plot in 30 to 45 minutes. But those bummer plots with lots of down and dead and or regeneration can take much longer. Usually, a contractor starts at a reference point and navigates to and establishes the plots by hiking in and carrying all their equipment. The equipment includes:
Tatum (metal clipboard)
Diameter tape/logger's tape
Clinometer
Possibly a laser for measuring tree heights
Increment borer
Relaskop
Reference booklets
Lunch
Extra clothing
Gun
It's a full time job that is physically demanding. As Bluejeans said, 10-30 miles of walking in a day is not out of line. And some contractors choose to camp, so they may have a tent and two or more days of food with them.
Those requirements make gun choice and carry position critical. A knot in the back caused by a heavy gun or the wrong holster can seriously impact his ability to work.
Timber cruising which I do frequently, is usually faster and doesn't require camping, but still requires a lot of gear.
Cocked & Locked
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Possibly time to view the handgun just as another required tool and set brand dislike aside.
Time to get the Glock perhaps?
Time to get the Glock perhaps?
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Shotgun, with an M4 type collapsing stock
No handgun is going to be great, they are a trade off, you just end up hoping you have 'enough'
That said, consider a Tokarev, .30 pill at ~1500fps
No handgun is going to be great, they are a trade off, you just end up hoping you have 'enough'
That said, consider a Tokarev, .30 pill at ~1500fps
A tool it should be view as, and the day it isn't is perhaps the day to just keep them clean in the safe. And always pay attention to your 'limitations', if you are competent and confident enough in your ability not to shoot yourself in the leg, or the testicle than perhaps a 5.5 lb trigger on a striker fired hand gun may work for you. And a Glock's simplicity is only matched by a revolvers simplicity, and perhaps even a revolvers reliability.
I myself started much to late in life to build up that competency and now have no desire to spend the time working on my confidence level. The confidence I do have comes from my knowledge that if I ever hear click instead of bang I can just pull that trigger again instead of asking for a time out.
But in all seriousness what ever platform you go with it will still require the will to use it, and if you make an error in judgement the 2nd amendment will not do a darn thing for ya.
thanks 460kodiac. that was a pretty good overview.
i often simplify it by saying that i measure trees; with a compass and a map i am expected to find any place in northamerica, take samples by making all kinds of measurements imaginable (goals outlined in each particular contract) and come back with the data which will be plugged into a computer and "grown out" years into the future. all this so that the land/timber can be properly (responsibly) managed.
like i said, these days its pretty much all private timber cruising... there's still stand exams but i, for one, am happy to avoid working for bureaucrats.
i too work by the plot so if i can work twice as fast, i earn twice as much
i often simplify it by saying that i measure trees; with a compass and a map i am expected to find any place in northamerica, take samples by making all kinds of measurements imaginable (goals outlined in each particular contract) and come back with the data which will be plugged into a computer and "grown out" years into the future. all this so that the land/timber can be properly (responsibly) managed.
like i said, these days its pretty much all private timber cruising... there's still stand exams but i, for one, am happy to avoid working for bureaucrats.
i too work by the plot so if i can work twice as fast, i earn twice as much
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Is a 16" lever action carbine in the same caliber as your handgun with sling out of the question?
Blocks... i've had several comments so let me clarify. this is not aimed at anyone. i am only tryign to explain my attitude towards glocks.
i am open to a glock, i said that, but i am tired of people thinking that a glock is the answer to every problem in life. that is the reason why i said in my opening post that i didn't want to hear "get a glock".. not because i would never use a glock, but because using that as the automatic answer to "i need a gun for ____" is ingorant (though sadly, predominant.)
see my post #6... guns are tools and i am willing to use the correct tool. the quesiton is 'is this the RIGHT tool?'
in the world of tools, the best tools are for very specific needs/uses. to say that a tool is good for many uses generally means that it is not the best for any particular one of them. even somethign as basic as a hammer. i have 26 and 28 oz. framing hammers, 16 and 20 oz, finish hammers, a brass hammer, a rubber hammer, a shingle hammer, and cheap hammers to loan out. each one is better for something. i certainly have a favorite (28 oz estwing waffle) but there is no "best". so h of also glocks are a good all around gun but there are, imo, very few areas in which they shine; but they are just that mediocre enough in so many ways that they can decently fill many roles.
glocks are decent guns.. i've owned one and shot many.
however just because they have been adopted by law enforcement and have a cult following of men who want to dress up and play army or punks who are dying for the zombies to rise but will never shoot anything but paper... does have any bearing on whether this tool is really fitted to my situation.
again. i'm not throwing this in anyones's face nor wanting a flame war. but since the question was raised i am explaining myself.
go ahead and recommend a glock... but please give constructive reasons why it should be considered for my particular needs... not just 'cause they're awesome.
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That they are...blocks
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I don't think Glocks are awesome...just another style of of handguns.
Somebody might come up with a suggestion that sounds good to you...maybe not. Of course you'll never know until you give it a try.
Ever since I've been carrying my S&W 629-5 2.5" .44 mag I've not seen a single wolf. Using that logic consider getting you one.
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I can't argue there man. The days I get stuck in my office when working on a timber sale contract, I usually go home mad. My employer shoves so much nonsense and crap down our throats, I don't know how I keep my composure. And sometimes....... I don't.
But it pays ok, and the benefits are pretty decent. So I'm grateful to have the job I do.
i think you're on the right track with a S&W 327.
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Bluejeans,
I think one of your 1st proposed choices is a good one namely the 386. Especially if you can find the discontinued 386 Mountain Lite. It has a 3" barrel and at 23oz loaded with 7 rounds of .357 is both very light and pretty easy to shoot well.
I carry mine in the mountains of NM when backpacking (Mtn. Lion, Black bear, coyotes, rattlesnakes and 2-legged Weasels
I usually load it with a mix of 125gr Barnes DPX, or 140, 158, or 180gr XTP with a healthy dose of H110. A 180 hard cast at about 1200 is pretty stiff in recoil but will certainly penetrate any of the bigger critters.
For a carry a lot maybe use it firearm it's great!
I think one of your 1st proposed choices is a good one namely the 386. Especially if you can find the discontinued 386 Mountain Lite. It has a 3" barrel and at 23oz loaded with 7 rounds of .357 is both very light and pretty easy to shoot well.
I carry mine in the mountains of NM when backpacking (Mtn. Lion, Black bear, coyotes, rattlesnakes and 2-legged Weasels
I usually load it with a mix of 125gr Barnes DPX, or 140, 158, or 180gr XTP with a healthy dose of H110. A 180 hard cast at about 1200 is pretty stiff in recoil but will certainly penetrate any of the bigger critters.
For a carry a lot maybe use it firearm it's great!
Deaf Smith
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Well, if one really does not want a Glock..
How about packing in style?
My 629-1 .44 magnum with stag grips, Tyler-t, and El Paso Saddlery 1942 holster.
Just add a bit of padding at the top of the holster strap so it does not dig into ones shoulder.
I use DPX .44 Magnus in the gun while deer hunting and reloads with 240 gr LSWC hard cast at about 1000 fps while traipsing in the Crockett National Forrest.
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How about packing in style?
My 629-1 .44 magnum with stag grips, Tyler-t, and El Paso Saddlery 1942 holster.
Just add a bit of padding at the top of the holster strap so it does not dig into ones shoulder.
I use DPX .44 Magnus in the gun while deer hunting and reloads with 240 gr LSWC hard cast at about 1000 fps while traipsing in the Crockett National Forrest.
Deaf
Oh you guys those are great looking 629's... I really want one for my truck carry. C&L yours is the first fixed sight model I've seen.. And love that barrel length. I have a project underway right now of putting a 681 barrel on a mod64 k-frame for something just like that in .357
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S&W made 300 like that short one in year 2000. Not really practical for much...especially not lugging around thru the woods all day when your 66 is giving carry problems.
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That's a real looker C&L. Love that pic.
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Maybe ya could put it on your left side and draw with your right hand
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Not to hijack the thread, but has anybody actually used a 10mm to stop a charging grizz? Seems likely to not penetrate the skull, or not penetrate the snout into the chest deep enough to stop the charge. It may very well be enough, but I am skeptical.
And for that matter if I'm possibly running up onto a grizz or pack of wolves I would rather have a shotgun, weight be damned. Get a mossy 500 and load her down with 000. Mossy is reliable and lighter than the 870 which would be my only other option.
If your stuck with handgun I would look at a 454 casull or 500sw. Better be over prepared than to be dinner.
Another option (interesting one) is to get a walking stick and go full on Masai warrior with it by adding a spear point. It would be light and very effective...killed plenty charging lions over the years. Something to this tune seems about right but I would consider other options as well. http://www.amazon.com/SOG-Specialty-Knives-FS01N-CP-4-25-Inch/dp/B0017234ZS
And for that matter if I'm possibly running up onto a grizz or pack of wolves I would rather have a shotgun, weight be damned. Get a mossy 500 and load her down with 000. Mossy is reliable and lighter than the 870 which would be my only other option.
If your stuck with handgun I would look at a 454 casull or 500sw. Better be over prepared than to be dinner.
Another option (interesting one) is to get a walking stick and go full on Masai warrior with it by adding a spear point. It would be light and very effective...killed plenty charging lions over the years. Something to this tune seems about right but I would consider other options as well. http://www.amazon.com/SOG-Specialty-Knives-FS01N-CP-4-25-Inch/dp/B0017234ZS
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