A few new posters

[scotthsi]

I betcha that was intentional. The point is that self defense is a human right, and a family who can't afford high dollar guns still has a right to self defense. So yeah, a Kel-Tec.

Most families can knock off the drinking, smoking, snacks/Cokes at work, eating out, movie/game rentals, lottery tickets, whatever "frivolous" type expenditures for a month or two, stash that cash and be able to afford a NICE defensive pistol or other firearm.

Someone who can "afford" a Kel-Tec costing almost $300 (I know, I have a P11 and it's still a POS) can do a LOT better. Starting with a good ol' pump shotgun. Which would you rather have for home defense...hmmmm? I have an old Mossberg 500 I bought in the 80s that has never had a single issue and I've shot the crap out of that shotgun. Bought it USED for under $100 and it even has very nice wood on it. Plus, they are barely over $200 BRAND SPANKIN' NEW right here in 2009.

And there's always the used handgun market for CCW... Used Glocks can be found for not much more than $300 and there's always the good old Makarov, which is dead nuts reliable. Same can't be said for Kel-Tec's NOTORIOUS reputation for putting out unreliable firearms. And don't take that from me. Just do an internet search...

You wanna loan him something "better"?

I've already made my recommendation.

Maybe we'll see Oleg start to use Hi-Points and chromed Jennings/Bryco/Raven/Jimenez stuff for the po folks crowd?

 

[SigP229R]

I love the Little Red Riding Hood

 

[CoRoMo]

Most families can knock off the drinking, smoking, snacks/Cokes at work, eating out, movie/game rentals, lottery tickets, whatever "frivolous" type expenditures for a month or two, stash that cash and be able to afford a NICE defensive pistol or other firearm.

Maybe. Maybe most CAN, but most DON'T. That's a simple fact; accept it. Is Oleg supposed to portray some fantasy world where all households operate at peak potential and financial effectiveness? Or, can he, with your permission, illustrate what the average low income family might have to resort to?

Someone who can "afford" a Kel-Tec costing almost $300 (I know, I have a P11 and it's still a POS) can do a LOT better.

Again, sure they can, but we don't live in that world where all gun owners have the highest of standards and financial responsibility.

Starting with a good ol' pump shotgun. Which would you rather have for home defense...hmmmm?

The shotty of course, but I'm blessed with the means and the knowledge to know the difference and ability to afford the better. Not all Americans are this fortunate. Is it alright if Oleg shows us a glimpse of these types of Americans?

I have an old Mossberg 500 I bought in the 80s that has never had a single issue and I've shot the crap out of that shotgun. Bought it USED for under $100 and it even has very nice wood on it. Plus, they are barely over $200 BRAND SPANKIN' NEW right here in 2009.

Lucky you. You should feel immeasurably opportune. It'd be nice if everyone could be as advantageous, but reality dictates otherwise.

And there's always the used handgun market for CCW... Used Glocks can be found for not much more than $300 and there's always the good old Makarov, which is dead nuts reliable.

Also true, but we still don't live in that imaginary world where every gun purchased meets your standards. Ah, the taste of freedom: To be able to buy... wait for it... what one prefers.

Same can't be said for Kel-Tec's NOTORIOUS reputation for putting out unreliable firearms. And don't take that from me. Just do an internet search...

No thanks, I've learned not to believe everything posted on the internet. My experience with Kel Tec is enough for me to carry one everyday.

Maybe we'll see Oleg start to use Hi-Points and chromed Jennings/Bryco/Raven/Jimenez stuff for the po folks crowd?

The gun snobbery is breath-taking.

 

[scotthsi]

The gun snobbery is breath-taking.

Yup, guess it is...

[quote="CoRoMo]Lucky you. You should feel immeasurably opportune. It'd be nice if everyone could be as advantageous, but reality dictates otherwise.[/quote]

I'm "lucky", as you say, because I have a garden variety Mossberg 500 I got on the cheap because it was used? Dude, there are deals like that all over the place. Did you miss the part where I said a NEW Mossy 500 is just over $200? You know, CHEAPER than that P11?

And, as for your "gun snobbery" fantasy... You think someone owning a shotgun which cost less than $100 is a gun snob???

 

[OurSafeHome.net]

used handgun market for CCW.

Used/surplus .38 Special and .357 Magnum revolvers are much more reliable than the "economy" priced autoloaders.

(Ladies also like that brass is not flung at them, nor are fingernails as likely to be broken with a revolver.)

 

[scotthsi]

FINALLY! Someone who "gets it". Huge +1.

Cheap, used and and just all around good wheelguns can be found all the time.

 

[Oleg Volk]

akodo had the most helpful suggestions. Some of the photos I can re-shoot. Red Riding Hood was more of a joke illustrations, the others were serious. I will try to make the TV version.

I try to mix up gun types and models for variety. The family depicted actually has nicer guns. The husband would use a USP 45 and the wife an M1911.

 

[Oleg Volk]

 

[hso]

Oleg,

There's no value in reshooting based on comments about the quality/value of the firearms in the pictures.

The only suggestion I would make is to have the model wear period clothing consistent with the 1940's. There were resistance fighters who used their simpler weapons to acquire the more "modern" weapons of their murderous oppressors. That is unless you're intentionally having her in modern garb, then nevermind.

 

[Oleg Volk]

hso,

I just need to re-shoot that set of images. I took them while assisting another photographer and more period outfits just weren't available.

 

[akodo]

I do try to be critical, because honestly, while all your work is quite good, a bunch of fanboys gushing praises never really helps. I am glad you took my criticism as it was intended.

I too think exact firearm type is very irrelvant. That may be the first thing a gunny looks at, but I always try and view these through the eyes of fence-sitter, and for the vast majority of them, a gun is a gun is a gun, and arguments about the exact type of gun are equvalent to florists pointing out that you used the wrong subspecies of rose in your valentine's day add.

 

[CoRoMo]

I didn't care too much for the way the first poster was worded because an anti-gun poster would have identical text. The version you attached in post #32 fixes that issue.

 

[jfh]

CoRoMo: I see your point--but, to me, that the text would be identical is the reason the poster resonates so well: it takes an "anti" thought and, by supplying the image, moves it to positive behavior.

The subtlety of the text, IOW, adds to the strength.

Jim H.

 

[Justin]

I wouldn't ever use Hobo Standard as a font in anything. It belongs in the same bin of overused fonts as Comic Sans, Papyrus, and Copperplate.

Especially wouldn't consider using it for speech balloons from children. The retro-60's design of the font looks incongruous when used in conjunction with a child.

The model of gun is frankly immaterial, and would have no impact on message to the intended viewer (presumably someone who is a fence-sitter with regard to firearms ownership or self defense) so dickering over that is, quite frankly, ridiculous and of no constructive use whatsoever.

 

[Eyesac]

lol I can just imagine the call to the cops:
There's a naked lady running around and a nazi trying to shoot her, come quick!

 

[danprkr]

I just want red riding hood's phone number

 

[Oleg Volk]

I just want red riding hood's phone number

She is single and a very nice person. I can convey your email address to her.

 

[hso]

In a pro piece I would be reluctant to use the phrase "Gun Culture". That is intentionally used to set us apart from the group.

I would prefer to see, "Introduce your kids to guns/shooting like our fathers did before rappers and games do." or "Introduce your kids to shooting like our parents did before rappers and breathless news reports do." or something along those line. "Teach your kids about guns like our fathers did before..."

 

[Floppy_D]

Someone who can "afford" a Kel-Tec costing almost $300 (I know, I have a P11 and it's still a POS) can do a LOT better. Starting with a good ol' pump shotgun. Which would you rather have for home defense...hmmmm?

Go back to what I said:

The point is that self defense is a human right, and a family who can't afford high dollar guns still has a right to self defense.

Being a right, personal defense selection is a non-issue. Further, nonbody has to have their weapon of choice approved through you, which makes your input rhetorical at best. Would you like a non-expert (or even expert, for that matter) to tell you what to carry and own? Respect the individual choices of others, and the freedom to make your own choices.

 

[LaserSpot]

I don't see anything wrong with using "gun culture" in a RKBA positive message. Seeing the phrase used this way reduces the impact when it's used negatively. I do prefer post #32 over the first version.

 

[Oleg Volk]

 

[hso]

I think #46 works well for us, but I doubt it reaches undecideds or antis. The idea that we'd need to defend ourselves in such a way is so foreign to the vast majority of folks that it is probably unimaginable and therefore absurd to them.

 

[Oleg Volk]

They aren't my target audience. I am trying to appeal to gunnies whose spouses wouldn't know how to pick up a firearm or which end of it shoots.

 

[kwelz]

#5 this just seems odd. Looks like the clothing is from some S&M laytex sex fantasy prop box.

And this is a bad thing because?

 

[Oleg Volk]

It's a Halloween costume and used because the whole picture was to be in jest. It's a fairy tale we are talking about!