A few words re: cryo stress relief

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MODERN APPLICATION NEWS
MARCH 1998

The Metalworking Idea Magazine

Cryogenic Tempering Boosts Parts Life Up to 400%
By Larry Olson, MAN editor



Rings and pinion gears, valve springs made of H-11 or H-13 steel, and brake rotors for heavy haulers and race cars, have lasted two to four times longer after cryo treatment.
Cryo processing has three benefits, specifically increased dimensional stability, stress relief, especially for aluminum, titanium, composite materials, and improved wear or abrasive resistance.


The process completes the austenite to martensite transformation that occurs during heat treat in steel alloys. Heat treating increases hardness in tooling, while post-heat treat cryo processing with a mild draw increases hardness by an additional 1% - 2%.

The process uses Liquid nitrogen to cool parts from room temperature to –300F at a rate of ½ to 1F per minute for maximum stress relief. Then, maintaining the parts at –300F for 18 to 36 hours completes the austenite transformation. The more carbon in the material, the colder and longer the parts are kept at low temperature, according to the customer’s specific needs. After the “cold soak,†the parts are returned to room temperature at ½ to 1-minute rate. Usually, three heating and cooling stages (called a “triple drawâ€) are included, depending on the material, with a one-hour hold at the temperature extremes.

Cutting tools are the largest market for the process, including drill bits, endmills, slitter knives, punches and dies. Cryo processing also is used to treat TiN coated tooling, HSS (high-speed steel) saw blades – bandsaws, circular saws, jig saws, M-series blades – and carbide-tipped saws (C-2, C-3 and C-4). In the 1995 ASM heat treater's guide, 67 out of 77 tool steels listed have cryogenic stabilizing specified as the only method to increase dimensional stability after heat treat.

Cryo processing also is used to stabilize aluminum and titanium, since they are often hard to handle during machining. In aerospace applications, cryogenic tempering conditions the metal in aluminum optical benches, so that large temperature variations can be tolerated with minimal distortion. Once a part has been cryo treated, additional cryogenic processing will not usually make any difference. When a tooling manufacturer has included cryogenic treatment as part of the process, additional treatment by the end user will usually have no effect.

Multifaceted tools or materials need to be separated into it individual components for cryo processing, since the rates of cooling may vary slightly between different grades of metal. Smaller items and more intricate tooling process better if disassembled. It is less critical on the larger items; for example, processing is not a problem for a cast iron or aluminum engine block with steel sleeves without disassembly.

Consistent Results for a Wide Range of Applications:


Calsonic Yorozu Corporation, a Tennessee subsidiary of Isuzu, uses a large HSS twist drill to manufacture chassis. The drill is about 1’ long by 7/8†diameter and costs about $80. Two drills are mounted on a robotic arm in an assembly line and usually last for only 100 holes. Cryo treating the drills costs about $10 and increases the tool’s life between 20% and 50%. Production is now getting between 120 and 150 holes from a single drill with less downtime.
Hexell is said to be the world’s largest manufacturer of composite materials. The company has been cryo treating the tooling used to cut Kevlar, titanium and aluminum during production. They are a large tool buyer, and the 300% increase in tool life from cryogenic tempering saved them about $1/2 million in tooling cost during 1197. The treated tooling includes ¼†and ½†endmills, about half of which are coated, and a scissors shear.


The teeth of the backhoes (called “frostiesâ€) used to dig frozen perma-frost in Alaska were wearing out too quickly. After cryo treating, the life of the teeth increased from about four hours to 16 hours. In another heavy-duty application, a paving equipment manufacturer builds and supports paving equipment to mix asphalt. The company uses 12 flute endmills, called “slugger bits,†to cut stainless steel. The bits, some of which are coated, cost $20 to $50 each. After cryo processing the tooling life increased by two to three times.

Gears in heavy equipment or transmissions, cast iron or forged items also can benefit from processing. When the military tested cryo treating helicopter gears in the 70’s, they found that the process improved durability and reduced noise, which turned out to solve several problems in combat. Noisy working environments are improved through cryo treatment by providing greater longevity and safety for gears and moving parts.

The process has also become popular on the race car circuit among such well known names a Cale Yarborough and Tony Furr in the John Andretti car, and NHRA professionals, such a Kurt Johnson, Larry Morgan, Allen Johnson and Roy Johnson of ProStock. Race car owners and drivers are always looking for any performance advantage. In cryogenic treatment of their cars’ parts and engines, if one of the materials in a metal-to-metal contact surface is carbon-bearing, it is a good candidate for cryo treating. This is especially true if it has already been heat-treated.

In an experiment in another sport, golf balls were dropped from 8’, before and after cryo treatment. The balls rebounded 2†higher (about 2%) after treatment. In another test, cryo treated golf clubs showed a 3% to 5% improvement over untreated clubs. Also, One Cryo is offering its own special line of softball bats, tempered with cryo treatment.

Equipment, Service and Processing Support:

Although the operation is only three years old, the process dates back over 50 to 60 years with many practical innovations and improvements since the 60s. One Cryo consists of three separate service centers located in Orlando, FL, Seattle, WA and Wasilla, AK. Regional market variations have meant that the parts usually handled for processing in Alaska are different from the parts processes in Florida.

Every area of the country has much to offer especially the Midwest corridor from Cincinnati to Detroit, the heavy industry areas of the eastern US and the racing areas along the eastern seaboard. Companies in Oregon, UK and Australia have also shown an interest in setting up franchisee operations. The western US is also an active area in supporting aerospace manufacturing Boeing subcontractors are involved in discussing the cryo treatment of their in-house tooling for increasing tool life.

This relatively undiscovered industry has also developed its service side to provide cryogenic processing in response to specific regional niches. One Cryo is equipped to provide an in-house design and manufacturing capability, with engineers on staff for design and fabrication of individual processing systems specific to their customer’s production needs.
 
The idea for gun-barrels is that they be uniform in behavior during the temperature change from ambient to heated condition. Improved consistency in the "tuning fork" behavior.

Art
 
cryogenic tempering saved them about $1/2 million in tooling cost during 1197.
That's a lot of money back then.

I still don't buy it. Anecdotes mean very little. I want evidence, like there is for heat treating (ie Rockwell scales), that there is a measurable change.

What does this paragraph mean?
Cryo processing also is used to stabilize aluminum and titanium, since they are often hard to handle during machining. In aerospace applications, cryogenic tempering conditions the metal in aluminum optical benches, so that large temperature variations can be tolerated with minimal distortion. Once a part has been cryo treated, additional cryogenic processing will not usually make any difference. When a tooling manufacturer has included cryogenic treatment as part of the process, additional treatment by the end user will usually have no effect.
What do they mean by, "hard to handle" and how does cryo-ing make them easier to handle (too hard to handle, too cold to hold?)? I've machined quite a bit of aluminium and a bit of titanium and have not found them hard to handle.
 
Just thought I'd pass the article along. Didn't edit for content. Oh, well, at least the guy didn't claim that metal isn't made up of molecules! :)
 
Nero has shown in the past that he is incapable of dealing with logic and science so his comments should be ignored. The steel in the quoted article is TOOL STEEL not typical barrel steel . ( apples and oranges are different ) As for stress relief by cooling it says " three HEATING and cooling stages " , I wonder why they have to heat it ? And metals never will have molecules even if nero prays for it every day.
 
"...metals will never have molecules..."? Huh? Of what, pray tell, are they composed? I know of nothing, organic or inorganic, which is not made up of molecules...Air, water, steel, people, flowers. I really do suggest reviewing Freshman Chemistry! :D

Destructo6, I know that some aluminum alloys can tend to "gouge" if the cutting tool is not of the proper shape. In the earliest days of working with titanium, machining was said to be difficult, although I'm now vague on details after 40 or so years. It and tungsten were often formed by casting to minimize the amount of machining required to finalize a shape. A lot has been learned--by some--in 40 years, of course.

Art
 
Art, I don't think you'll find many Helium or Gold molecules. A molecule is a unit made of more than one atom. Free oxygen atoms bind with themselves creating O2 molecules. Iron oxide is a molecule. I don't know whether iron binds to itself to produce Fe2, but if it doesn't it's not a molecule.

Alloys are mixtures of various metals. When you add pieces of oxided metal for strength, that is no longer an alloy, that's a metal matrix. A crystal is an arangement of nested atoms or molecules. It is not a molecular structure. Steel is both an alloy and a crystal. It may contain some molecular ingrediants but is composed largely of metal atoms, arranged in a crystal as it cooled. I think Mete is therefore correct.


I think we're fooling ourselves with the cryo stuff. Even the nicest gun is crude (metalurgically and dimensionally) compared to the parts of a jet engine. Cryo treatment for most guns is probably only a little more useful than cryo treating a bench vise or anvil.
 
There you go, Art.

Not molecules; "metal atoms."

:scrutiny:

Coupla things:

Stainless steel has other metals in it besides iron (nickel for one).

Molecules in a matrix are not "atoms."
 
Art and Handy, I suggest you go back and study chemistry. Here are the FACTS. There are three basic types of bonding; ionic, covalent, and metallic. These are significant differences. Metals have metallic bonds ,thats what gives metals their properties. Groups of metal atoms form crystals (NOT molecules). Groups of crystals form grains. I didn't make it up ,mother nature did. unfortunately there are many who refuse to learn. I guess I'm the only metallurgist in this forum but I will continue to try to educate people Metallurgy marches on !
 
Mete,

I already agreed with you and said that metal crystals are formed of metal atoms, not molecules. What's the problem?

Ledbetter,

Who said "molecules in a matrix are atoms"?


Is anybody reading each other's posts?
 
Quote:

"Steel is both an alloy and a crystal. It may contain some molecular ingrediants but is composed largely of metal atoms, arranged in a crystal as it cooled."



I am no metalurgist, if metal is made of "metal atoms" with "molecular ingredients," so be it.

I guess I am confused by the fact that salt crystals are made of molecules of sodium chloride, unless I'm mistaken again.
 
Simple atomic ingredients of steel that are metals include stuff like:

Iron, chromium, molybedenem, tungston, etc.

Carbon is the other main ingrediant in steel. Carbon is normally found bound to something, so it may or may not exist in the alloy as an atom or as a carbon compound (also known as a "molecule").

A crystal (any crystal) can be composed of a matrix of atoms, molecules, or both. Salt and ice are crystals composed of compounds. Solid gold is a crystal composed of one kind of atom. Glass is a solidified form of atomic silica that hasn't crystalized.

Clear as mud?

The main ingrediant in a rifle barrel; iron, is composed of individual iron atoms (Fe) arranged in a crystal.
 
Semantics.

I think the confusion stems from Freshman Chemistry classes, where students are first introduced to atoms, molecules, etc. Experiments are usually done in solutions, and so, the notation used is as if it were molecules of 'stuff'.

Common table salt, not in a solution, is a crystal. A crystal of Sodium (Na) and Chlorine (Cl). Here, its really not a molecule anymore, where a particular sodium atom is distinctly paired with a particular chlorine atom. This is what mete is talking about. Unfortunately, most people stop taking chemistry classes long before the course material gets into crystals.

Back to cryo-ing, I still think that the mere cooling of an object wouldn't reduce the stress within a material. I think its the type of 'cooling', sudden or very gradual that is what reduce stresses.

If we can 'grow' a rifle barrel, the same way a crystal of silicon is grown, would that make for a stress-free material ideal for a rifle barrel?
 
mete, isn't there a line on a TTT diagram for say 4140 that is well below room temperature? Metallurgy was a long time ago for me. It was my understanding that the intention of the process was to force a complete transformation of the microstructure, which was otherwise incomplete at room temperature.
 
Handy---there are no "molecular ingrediants" in metals. ..Frohickey--- stress relief requires movement of atoms- the higher the temperature the more the movement, so you wouldn't cool it to stress relieve. Grow a single crystal barrel ? now that is intriguing. BTW glass is described as a supercooled liquid.... Owen--- You would expect complete transformation of austenite to martensite at room temperature in 4140. With more complex alloys like some tool steels you would only get partial transformation. We then freeze them to complete the transformation.
 
I stand corrected on atoms vs. molecules, as regards iron or other metals...Fe be an atom; FeO be a molecule. :) And Fe + H(2)SO(4) = a messy battery box.

There has been quite a bit of writing about "growing" metalline crystals in space. IIRC, the tensile strengths are amazingly high.

I disremember the tolerances for turbines; anything spinning at 120,000 rpm has gotta be closer than "purt' near". Are they closer than the one or two ten-thousandths of an inch for some air-gauged barrels?

Art
 
Mete,

I had no way of finding out what form the carbon was in when it was alloyed into the steel. If you say it's free carbon and not a carbon compound, fine.

Art,

I was speaking more metalurgically. Metals that see constant temperature variations in the thousands of degrees are likely more alloyed, forged and machined than a length of steel pipe with a precise hole swaged through it. If Lockheed designed a Mini14 barrel it would be factory dimensions but never loose accuracy as it heated. It would also cost $23,000. But you can't make aerospace parts with billet, a Shopsmithy and hand fitting.

Even the most precise gun is still carved out if a block of basic, homogenous metal. Applying spacey metal treatments is like Hollandaise on hotdogs.
 
I think that, perhaps, 50 angels can dance on the head of a pin. But that all depends on if the planets are in line. Further (or is that Farther... :scrutiny: hell, WHATEVER) it all depends on what you definition of the word is is, so to speak. I mean, if is means is and always has been then, Well...:rolleyes:

MY GOD, WHO CARES. I don't think that the basic laws of the universe are being violated anywhere here. Give me a peer-reviewed scholarly journal article to read. Then maybe some of you can crawl into a corner or eat crow and the others can gloat, hoot, hollar, whatever. Endless debate on multiple threads doesn't seem to help.

Now I'll add, if it doesn't HURT and oftentimes HELPS, who cares what the definition of the word "Molecule" is. I still haven't figured out how a network works, but I use it because it works (or at least my system administrator says it does).
 
Oh yeah, you probably want to get back to the IMPORTANT stuff that gets discussed on computer message boards.;)
 
Now, now, Badge; remember a thought from an old song:

"Tranquil, tranquil;
Full of peace and Equanil."

Valium works equally well. :D

The question isn't really how many angels are dancing on the head of that pin, but how many atoms are there? Is the pin alloyed? Carbon steel or stainless? Austenitic or martensitic? Hey, mount it in the little plastic block and polish it with 2000 "grit" on the felt wheel and check it out at 400X. (Come to think of it, there are more than just the one question!)

How can one not care? How, I ask! Why, the very fate of nations might hinge upon the answer, not to mention our understanding about the various steels and treatment processes available whereby we have better rifles!

(Bet you didn't think I could get this back on track, did you?)

:D, Art
 
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