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A friend and I had legally carried firearms confiscated tonight

Discussion in 'Legal' started by The Undertoad, Jun 15, 2004.

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  1. sch40

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    This is truly a great story! I hope that this type of thing happens in Missouri. We have open carry here, but it can be pre-empted by local ordinances. I think the major metro areas have done this (Kansas City, St. Louis City/County). It would be great to see the pre-emption clause go away. Although I do think that concealed carry has more tactical advantage, the option of open carry would be great.
     
  2. cropcirclewalker

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    This argument keeps going around and around.

    Concealed carry is more tactical.

    Open carrier is the most likely to get shot first.

    Here's what I maintain. CC is bait. OC is repellant.
    Now, do you wanna blast some bg who tries to mug you and end up in court defending your property against the bg's heirs?

    Or

    Would you druther read in the paper about some blissninny guy getting mugged and killed in the neighborhood you were just walking through last night (while open carrying).

    Sure, we all like to fantysize about being Charles Bronson and blasting the suprised bg. Could somebody PLEASE give some stats on open carriers getting whacked first. Somebody, Please?
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    the sound of crickets......
    :p :neener:

    Thanks mr. AK47
     
  3. Shovelhead

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    Just finished reading today's Post metro section.
    We made the top of the fold again today.

    Edited by poster due to terminal case of Brain-Fart. :what:

    Thank you.
    Ed
     
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  4. ScottS

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    I guess you couldn't be troubled to actually read the complete article before you ran here to stamp your little feet in righteous indignation.

    From that article:
    Scott
     
  5. Shovelhead

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    Previous post edited, Apology offered. :banghead:


    Quote from today's Washington Post Metro section article paragraph 2
    (the part that is readable on the FRONT page)

    Tracy, the restaurants' director of operations, said the small chain decided to ban gun-toting customers in March after a man with a firearm strapped to his hip sat down in its Franconia restaurant and ordered a margarita. The man properly asserted that Virginia law allows him to openly carry his weapon. But Tracy thinks guns, with the exception of those carried by police officers, have no place in his restaurants.

    Message was sent to the washington Post.

    Excuse me but your bias is showing.

    attention Maria Glod:

    RE:Your article on the front of Sunday's metro section

    Nice touch.

    On the front page:
    Tracy, the restaurants' director of operations, said the small chain decided to ban gun-toting customers in March after a man with a firearm strapped to his hip sat down in its Franconia restaurant and ordered a margarita. The man properly asserted that Virginia law allows him to openly carry his weapon. But Tracy thinks guns, with the exception of those carried by police officers, have no place in his restaurants.


    And of course, buried at the end of the article on page 5:
    Mike Stollenwerk, the man who was asked to leave The Bungalow that March evening, says he ordered a mineral water and it was his wife who had the margarita.

    You owe this individual, and every law-abiding gun owner in the state of Virginia an apology.

    Ed Anderson





    Ed
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  6. ScottS

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    Shovelhead,

    The people who need to be apologizing are the authors of the WP article. They buried the "mineral water" part at the end of the article, where many people will miss it (notice how they talk about the "gunslinger" ordering a drink, sermonize about guns and booze not mixing, then slip in the actual situation at the end. Bastards.) and notice how everyone who is legally carrying a gun has it "strapped to their hip." This phrase is purposely used to conjure up the "Wild West" image they're seeking.

    The Post is just incapable of printing a balanced story on this subject.

    Scott
     
  7. Shovelhead

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    Maria Glod is the "writer of record" associated with the article.
    As to the rest, I agree 100%, that their use of terms such as "Wielding" instead of carrying, and "strapped on" instead of holstered show their anti-gun bias in search of sensationalism.

    wield
    PRONUNCIATION: AUDIO: wld KEY
    TRANSITIVE VERB: Inflected forms: wield·ed, wield·ing, wields
    1. To handle (a weapon or tool, for example) with skill and ease.
    2. To exercise (authority or influence, for example) effectively. See synonyms at handle.
    ETYMOLOGY: Middle English welden, from Old English wealdan, to rule, and wieldan, to govern. See wal- in Appendix I.
    OTHER FORMS: wielda·ble —ADJECTIVE
    wielder —NOUN

    Not an appropriate substitute for the word carry, is it?
     
  8. Old Fuff

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    >> The Post is just incapable of printing a balanced story on this subject. <<

    Of course not. They have their own agenda on firearms issues and they won’t hesitate to slant their editorial content to support it.

    I’m not going to get into the open vs. concealed carry thing again. I just want to point out that a hostile, left-wing, corrupt news media is something you will have to put up with, and countering their propaganda is not going to be easy when dealing with the public.

    You can also expect they’ll find law enforcement spokespersons who will endorse additional restrictions to counter this “threat to public safety,†and they too carry a lot of weight with the general public.

    So face reality and plan accordingly.
     
  9. Shovelhead

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    I.C.C. ;)
     
  10. Lobotomy Boy

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    In the concealed carry class I took we were advised to carry concealed instead of carrying open because, among other things, open carry made our handguns targets of theft--someone could grab our handgun and use it against us.
     
  11. Art Eatman

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    This thread WILL NOT consider comparing open vs. concealed carry!

    Gay-rawn-teed.

    Art
     
  12. Lobotomy Boy

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    Art, Cropcirclewalker wrote:

    "This argument keeps going around and around.

    "Concealed carry is more tactical.

    "Open carrier is the most likely to get shot first.

    "Here's what I maintain. CC is bait. OC is repellant.
    Now, do you wanna blast some bg who tries to mug you and end up in court defending your property against the bg's heirs?

    "Or

    "Would you druther read in the paper about some blissninny guy getting mugged and killed in the neighborhood you were just walking through last night (while open carrying).

    "Sure, we all like to fantysize about being Charles Bronson and blasting the suprised bg. Could somebody PLEASE give some stats on open carriers getting whacked first. Somebody, Please?"

    It seems to me this thread is comparing open and concealed carry and has been for some time. Cropcirclewalker asked a questiona and I responded with a rationale from my concealed carry class. This seems like a considerate thing to do since he asked the question.

    My question to you is are you admonishing us both to cease this line of discussion, or are you simply responding to my post, since you made no comments in response to Cropcirclewalker's post.

    Thank you in advance for your response.
     
  13. PATH

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    In rural settings I think open carry is fine and dandy. In a more urban setting I personally prefer to carry concealed. In NYS I don't have a choice in that unless hunting every handgun must be carried concealed. If your state allows open carry and that is what you want to do then do it. It is your"RIGHT" to do so if you so choose!
     
  14. sumpnz

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    But look at its plumage!

    Dang it, I've got that beating a dead horse similie at work, and I'm at home right now.

    Oh, and Lobotomy Boy, I think that was Art's subtle way of warning about impending thread lock.
     
  15. Art Eatman

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    LB, I've mostly just checked in from time to time to try to keep the usual attacks out of it, eyeball for Grammaw's sake. I'm not aiming at any particular person, or I'd have commented directly via PM.

    Many of the posts seemed to deal with the aftermath publicity; I note the NY Times editorialized again, today, about it.

    Let's just shut down the particular thread because of its being overly long. Anybody want to discuss any of the various points, start a new thread.

    Call it Part II, if you wish...

    Art
     
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