A Good Day for the AK's....

[tahunua001]

tap rap bang is the modern, abbreviated version of sports.

you don't slap the bottom of the magazine, in both AKs and ARs this can cause the last round to slip past the feed lips of the mag and will cause a double feed.

any idiot knows you check to make sure the chambers not jammed, even in an AK, therefore rapping, or retraction, check, let'er fly shut.

forward assist is pointless and have never once used it, even on active duty. most police I've talked to say that it isn't even part of their clearing exorcises.

I also don't get the 'either' comment, seems yours is the first comment which I am quoted in.

again this is just personal experience but the SKS has simpler take down/re-assembly than the AK and has tighter tolerances that let in less dirt so it's not such a chore to clean it. yes it's heavier, and the flip up bayonet is not to everyone's liking but for my purposes I much prefer it to the AK. I can also do more with 1 magazine and 60 rounds on strippers with the SKS in less time than an AK and 30 rounder plus reload.

 

[SabbathWolf]

My AK shoots right around 2" (actually right under) at 100y IF you discount the ONE flier that always pops up. The flier opens it up to about 3 inches. I'm suspecting it is the ammo as I have only tried shooting groups with Wolf. I'm actually tempted to try some reloads and see what it can do but I already have precision rifles for that type of work. There are plenty of poorly made AKs out there to make people believe they are inaccurate junk but the fact is there are many really good ones that will hold their own with other carbines. (Mine is a converted Siaga btw). My AK does everything I would want within 200 yards, probably further. Any further out than that and I prefer a bolt action 308.

Yep. I agree.
There is a "correct" military way of putting together an AK.
And then there is all the other ways we find on the market these days...lol

I'm blaming "my" groups above on shooter error to be honest.
My younger days of perfect 20/20 vision are over....lol

For people who may not know however, those little white circles on the individual silhouettes above are 1.5" in diameter. You cannot even remotely see them at 25 meters. So, getting the "exact" same point of aim every single time is nearly impossible for "me" at least. I'll bet a magnified optic would shrink my groups a LOT by comparison.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it anyways.....

 

[SabbathWolf]

tap rap bang is the modern, abbreviated version of sports.

you don't slap the bottom of the magazine, in both AKs and ARs this can cause the last round to slip past the feed lips of the mag and will cause a double feed.

any idiot knows you check to make sure the chambers not jammed, even in an AK, therefore rapping, or retraction, check, let'er fly shut.

forward assist is pointless and have never once used it, even on active duty. most police I've talked to say that it isn't even part of their clearing exorcises.

I also don't get the 'either' comment, seems yours is the first comment which I am quoted in.

again this is just personal experience but the SKS has simpler take down/re-assembly than the AK and has tighter tolerances that let in less dirt so it's not such a chore to clean it. yes it's heavier, and the flip up bayonet is not to everyone's liking but for my purposes I much prefer it to the AK. I can also do more with 1 magazine and 60 rounds on strippers with the SKS in less time than an AK and 30 rounder plus reload.

Wow. We sure have been trained differently.
I guess it's less important when you are on a boat or whatever.

If simply slapping the bottom of your mag causes a double feed, then you need to trash that mag bro.
We bashed the crap outta mags crawling around in the army. NEVER in my life heard of that causing a double-feed in an AK either and I've been shooting AK's for years and years.

And once again, rapping on a charging handle of an M4/AR/M16 will do NOTHING. It's only good for pulling back the bolt carrier. So which is it? "Rapping" or "Retracting?"
You're killin' me man.....lol

And honestly, I couldn't care less what the "police" do.
By and large, they generally set the example of the worst marksmanship in the world most times....

 

[tahunua001]

Wow. We sure have been trained differently.
I guess it's less important when you are on a boat or whatever.

If simply slapping the bottom of your mag causes a double feed, then you need to trash that mag bro.
We bashed the crap outta mags crawling around in the army. NEVER in my life heard of that causing a double-feed in an AK either and I've been shooting AK's for years and years.

And once again, rapping on a charging handle of an M4/AR/M16 will do NOTHING. It's only good for pulling back the bolt carrier. So which is it? "Rapping" or "Retracting?"
You're killin' me man.....lol

And honestly, I couldn't care less what the "police" do.
By and large, they generally set the example of the worst marksmanship in the world most times....

ok I'm really not in the mood to try and educate someone that really doesn't want to see simple logic. rapping the charging handle on an AR does the exact same thing as an AK, or any other SA rifle out there, it retracts the BCG and lets it fly shut again assuming you aren't empty in which case it locks back, otherwise it chambers the next round and the BCG carries it forward again. it's the same as racking the slide on a handgun.

as for police setting record for worst marksmen out there I've seen cops that run circles around all branches, heck the local police quals put navy standards to shame. and as for things being different on a boat you are a moron. standard navy firearms training only encompasses the M9, aside from special circumstances only boots on ground, and security forces train in the M16/4 so you should seriously think again before concluding that a sailor that was trained with a rifle never used it.

 

[Ignition Override]

S Wolf: Quite nice. That would be really good even with aperture sights.

Brandon401401 also does pretty well from 200-300 yards using his AK's original iron sights in a free stance hitting a gong.
If you find anything boring on his Youtube Channel, I doubt that it will be his wife.

 

[SabbathWolf]

ok I'm really not in the mood to try and educate someone that really doesn't want to see simple logic. rapping the charging handle on an AR does the exact same thing as an AK, or any other SA rifle out there, it retracts the BCG and lets it fly shut again assuming you aren't empty in which case it locks back, otherwise it chambers the next round and the BCG carries it forward again. it's the same as racking the slide on a handgun.

as for police setting record for worst marksmen out there I've seen cops that run circles around all branches, heck the local police quals put navy standards to shame. and as for things being different on a boat you are a moron. standard navy firearms training only encompasses the M9, aside from special circumstances only boots on ground, and security forces train in the M16/4 so you should seriously think again before concluding that a sailor that was trained with a rifle never used it.

Good. PLEASE stay OUT of the mood to educate me. You have no idea what you are even talking about.
"Rapping" on something means to strike it repeatedly.
Rapping on the charging handle will have zero effect on the bolt carrier.
"Pulling" the charging handle to the rear will.
But I already explained that to you with S.P.O.R.T.S.; and you tried to tell me that was "old school"......lol....
Calling "me" the moron here is not helping your cause at all here buddy.
Next you'll be calling magazines clips and talking about shoulder thingies that go up.


Thank you and have a nice day.

 

[SabbathWolf]

S Wolf: Quite nice. That would be really good even with aperture sights.

Brandon401401 also does pretty well from 200-300 yards using his AK's original iron sights in a free stance hitting a gong.
If you find anything boring on his Youtube Channel, I doubt that it will be his wife.

Wow. She's cute and shoots well too!

 

[ifit]

nice rifles and great shooting sabath, as for the brandon401401 video shooting his ak....its a no frills wasr, how cool is that. i also have a wasr 1063m and shoots great w/irons and a reddot

 

[SabbathWolf]

nice rifles and great shooting sabath, as for the brandon401401 video shooting his ak....its a no frills wasr, how cool is that. i also have a wasr 1063m and shoots great w/irons and a reddot

I actually never found the exact video you are talking about. But I did find a bunch of them. Maybe I quit looking to soon. Got a link?

 

[jon_in_wv]

rap the charging handle, and engage target. the only difference is a right handed shooter can do this with the AR without having to remove the firing hand or tilting the firearm.

Sorry but you have that backwards. It can be done on the AK with your offhand AND not removing you cheek from the stock. With the AR the charging handle necessitates moving your head out of the way to preform the same function. Either is very easy to perform the same drill.

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

Well SW, That's some good shooting and a nice day to be doing it here in NE Ks.
I'm jealous cause I did do yard work...
But then, JF County 4H archers are coming tomorrow and it makes it easier to find the arrows when the miss.

 

[ifit]

ak-47 out of box accuracy test wasr 10, by brandon401401

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aSuAPjw2Jgw

 

[happygeek]

Lol....
It's been a while now and I can't remember. Is 38 "Expert" on paper targets?
I used to have to qualify on pop-ups mostly and the scoring was slightly different if I remember right?

38 is expert on paper, 36 is on pop ups. You need 26 to qualify on paper, 23 on pop ups. The scores are higher on paper because they figure it's easier.

The other thing is on pop ups you'll do 20 rounds from a foxhole with sandbags and 20 rounds prone unsupported whereas on paper you'd do 20 rounds in the prone with sandbags and 20 rounds prone unsupported. If the graders are strict when you're shooting paper they'll check the target after the first 20 rounds to make sure you shot 2 EA rather than using your 20 rounds in the prone supported to shoot only the 300m, 250m, etc. and your 20 in the prone unsupported to shoot the 50m, 100m, etc.

 

[SabbathWolf]

ak-47 out of box accuracy test wasr 10, by brandon401401

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aSuAPjw2Jgw

Thanks for the link.
That was some pretty good shooting!

 

[SabbathWolf]

Well SW, That's some good shooting and a nice day to be doing it here in NE Ks.
I'm jealous cause I did do yard work...
But then, JF County 4H archers are coming tomorrow and it makes it easier to find the arrows when the miss.

I've often thought about setting up an archery range here too.
It sounds fun.

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

Yep, it is fun. The kids had a good practice and us adults even got in a few arrows ourselves. 4H is one of the few kids organizations that has an active shooting sports program. They do BB rifle/pistol, small bore rifle/pistol,muzzleloader rifle/pistol, shot gun and archery. I have been helping out for about 5/6 years now with the archery.

 

[benzy2]

So that's what, 8-10 MOA at 25 yards? I'd enjoy seeing what those scores worked out to at full range rather than a reduced course. It will work for people shooting at 100 yards, but that's about it. I wouldn't take a shot on a deer sized target outside 50-75 yards with that accuracy. I wouldn't take the trajectory of the 7.62x39 for any longer range hunting. For range use and short range defense it seems a great rifle, but I'm lost on its potential use from there.

And to the OP, you do come across as a bit of a jerk in the way you respond to comments. I have no doubt that you will belittle my profession as well as my shooting knowledge and then nitpick any semantics of why your wording is better than mine. But you seem happy so I can't knock that.

 

[45_auto]

I can also do more with 1 magazine and 60 rounds on strippers with the SKS in less time than an AK and 30 rounder plus reload.

Sounds like you need a LOT of practice on your AK reload.

 

[tahunua001]

So that's what, 8-10 MOA at 25 yards? I'd enjoy seeing what those scores worked out to at full range rather than a reduced course. It will work for people shooting at 100 yards, but that's about it. I wouldn't take a shot on a deer sized target outside 50-75 yards with that accuracy. I wouldn't take the trajectory of the 7.62x39 for any longer range hunting. For range use and short range defense it seems a great rifle, but I'm lost on its potential use from there.

not to completely contradict you but you are slightly exaggerating the limitations of the 7.62x39 cartridge. a 20 meter zero(at least on an SKS) equates to 200 meter zero so 25 yards should be fairly close to point of aim out to 200 yards. granted that past that the bullet does have considerable drop and the 300 yard target would be incredibly difficult to hit especially given the wind drift of a slow moving 30 caliber bullet in contrast to a fast moving 22 caliber bullet. however I believe that is why the standards are different between the 25 yard reduced and real world pop-up ranged courses. scoring 38 hits on those targets at 25 yards is not very hard to do but to do so when you also have to factor bullet drop and windage is not quite so easy which is why it is 36 hits for expert rather than 38 on paper.

as for accuracy I regularly hit oxy tanks at 200 meters with my SKS which still only equates to about 5 MOA but still more than enough to hit the 10x10 kill zone on a deer, especially since I'm not in the habit of taking long range shots at moving targets with irons in the first place. even though I tend to recommend the AR and other platforms over AKS I don't delude myself into thinking that the round they fire is inherently inaccurate or underpowered within most reasonable hunting distances.

 

[C-grunt]

The Ak gets a bad rap for accuracy for a few reasons.

1. Cheap POS guns
2. Cheap POS ammo
3. The iron sights are not easy to use

I greatly prefer the AR platform as it is what I have used for work my entire adult life but I have great respect for the AK rifles. Especially properly built ones like an Arsenal.

 

[SabbathWolf]

So that's what, 8-10 MOA at 25 yards? I'd enjoy seeing what those scores worked out to at full range rather than a reduced course. It will work for people shooting at 100 yards, but that's about it. I wouldn't take a shot on a deer sized target outside 50-75 yards with that accuracy. I wouldn't take the trajectory of the 7.62x39 for any longer range hunting. For range use and short range defense it seems a great rifle, but I'm lost on its potential use from there.

And to the OP, you do come across as a bit of a jerk in the way you respond to comments. I have no doubt that you will belittle my profession as well as my shooting knowledge and then nitpick any semantics of why your wording is better than mine. But you seem happy so I can't knock that.

These are not group shooting targets. They are designed for making as many hits as you can as fast as you can while not going over the time limit.
It's not as simple as it seems and there are a lot of soldiers who shoot worse with M4's on this same target.

 

[Ignition Override]

SabbathWolf:
I would have linked it but have no idea how to do these high-tech tricks.

ifit: It surprises me that anybody else here knew about brandon401401's videos, or bothered to search Youtube for them.
Frankly, both he and his charming, very pretty wife are much better shooters than I might ever become.

They also shoot either paper or gongs from about 50+ yards and compare the results between an AR (.223) and the AK.

Has anybody here read a few or more excerpts from "The Gun", by C.J. Chivers?
The author was a US Marine infantry Captain, who now is a senior writer for the NY Times (to me that's a paradox).
You might still be able to find small portions of "The Gun" on Amazon's website, featuring the creation/development, mostly the "social history" of the AK and a fair bit about the M-16.

On a sidenote, his website has numerous photos taken from present combat zones in some nasty foreign countries.

 

[SabbathWolf]

The Ak gets a bad rap for accuracy for a few reasons.

1. Cheap POS guns
2. Cheap POS ammo
3. The iron sights are not easy to use

I greatly prefer the AR platform as it is what I have used for work my entire adult life but I have great respect for the AK rifles. Especially properly built ones like an Arsenal.

I totally agree with you about the stock sights on the AK.
I find them hard to use.
A Krebs custom rear peep makes a world of difference on these guns.
I still need one for the SGL31.

 

[InkEd]

I think another forum member nailed it in an earlier post. The AK is capable of being a fairly accurate rifle. Most people only use old beaters or parts kit guns that suck.

 

[justice06rr]

Nice shooting.

I really want one of those milled SLR95's... drool