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A Great Article From The UK On Gun Control In The Wake Of The Recent Shootings

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by steel4u, Mar 11, 2009.

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  1. steel4u

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    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/gerald..._opposition_if_he_yields_to_gun_control_lobby

    Barack Obama will face huge opposition if he yields to gun control lobby
    Posted By: Gerald Warner at Mar 11, 2009 at 20:38:05 [General]
    Posted in: Politics , Eagle Eye
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    Barack Obama, firearms crime, gun control

    The deranged shooting dead of 10 people in Alabama, followed closely by a further 16 murders in Germany, will almost certainly be seized upon by gun control campaigners in the United States to further their agenda. In this they will find a willing ally in Barack Obama who, despite his weasel words after the Supreme Court outlawed the handgun ban in Washington DC (which he previously supported), has a record as a board member, for eight years, of the Joyce Foundation, which funds gun control groups, and as a long-time supporter of anti-firearms legislation.

    While cool logic suggests that a gun is only as good or bad as the character and purpose of its owner, the anti-firearms fanatics opportunistically seize upon public revulsion after serious gun crimes to press for blanket bans, without pausing to consider that, if a victim has his skull crushed with a golf club, we do not call for the outlawing of golf.

    Any American citizens who are tempted to go down the road of prohibition might be advised to consider the experience of Britain. Our handgun ban in 1997 was enacted with a fervency that went beyond rationality: not only were our Olympic competitors in pistol shooting hopelessly disadvantaged, but the sport was banned even for paraplegics, depriving some of them of their sole recreational interest. Presumably the calculation was that the next likely massacre would be perpetrated by someone in a wheelchair armed with a weak calibre pistol the ammunition for which was stored under lock and key five miles away.

    The success of this politically correct initiative can easily be measured. In 1997, the year of the ban, there were 2,636 handgun offences; in 2007 there were 4,175. In England and Wales there are now 28 firearms offences committed every day. Gun crime is now one of the most formidable challenges to law and order.

    Or Americans might look at Australia where, a year ago, a Draconian ban enforced the destruction of 640,381 personal firearms, at a cost of more than $500 million. The results? After 25 years of steady decrease in robberies with firearms, this offence increased by 44 per cent in one year. Homicides with guns increased by 3.2 per cent, assaults by 8.6 per cent. In the state of Victoria homicides with firearms rose 300 per cent. Break-ins and assaults on the elderly hugely increased.

    Criminals and lunatics will always find access to guns; but they will be less willing to use them if their victims are armed too. What doctrinaire liberal governments have done is make a Western movie in which the guys in the black hats all have guns, the guys in white hats do not. The Second Amendment to the American constitution and public opinion recognise that only a totalitarian government disarms its citizens. If Barack Obama tries to legislate on behalf of his supporters in the gun control lobby, he will have the mother of all fights on his hands.
     
  2. ServiceSoon

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    This writer is educated.
     
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    Presumably the calculation was that the next likely massacre would be perpetrated by someone in a wheelchair armed with a weak calibre pistol the ammunition for which was stored under lock and key five miles away.

    Best line in the whole piece.

    jm
     
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    Good piece. I need to copy and save that.
     
  5. steel4u

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    Its pieces like these from educated, rational, and unbiased writers that we need to share with the antigunners in our lives. Though so many are blinded by their ignorance, perhaps by just laying out the facts we can help them see the bottom line...Gun Control Doesn't Work...
    The real challenge, is convincing them that guns actually make us safer.

    John Stossel is another great journalist who has presented the facts well for years:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyoLuTjguJA
     
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  6. Sergeant Sabre

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    This week a total of 26 people were killed in mass shootings in the US and Europe combined.

    During that same time-frame, how many were killed in alcohol-related traffic crashes? Or even non-alcohol-related crashes? I suspect somewhat more than 26. Let's get our priorities straight.

    Mass shootings: Dramatic? Yes. Emotional? Yes. Tragic? Yes. A comparatively small problem, that kills very few people? Yes.
     
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    Too bad our biased news media will never present those facts to the public.
     
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    Also too bad gun control is not about reducing crime - it's about controlling the citizens. It is pointless to reason with these people (Obama and friends), however valid our argument is. They already know gun control is ineffective. The gun tragedies and crimes that happen on occassion will help their agenda (in the eyes of the general public), no doubt, but the agenda would go forward even if gun crime was virtually non-existent.

    I hate to have such a negative outlook on the subject, but it has become increasingly obvious in recent history.
     
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    I sent that story to a couple bed wetting liberal "friends" of mine. I'm sure they still won't get it, no matter what the facts are.
     
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    I WISH this was representative of most editorials on the subject coming out of Britain.
     
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    "This week a total of 26 people were killed in mass shootings in the US and Europe combined.

    During that same time-frame, how many were killed in alcohol-related traffic crashes? Or even non-alcohol-related crashes? I suspect somewhat more than 26. Let's get our priorities straight."


    US auto deaths have averaged about 41,000 per year since the early 90s. That's an average of 112 deaths per day.
     
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    climbnjump wrote:
    "US auto deaths have averaged about 41,000 per year since the early 90s. That's an average of 112 deaths per day."

    Don't let the Comlibs or other assorted socialists get there hands on this info,they already want to ban all automobiles in private hands for the earths "safety" ,now they will add OUR safety to their "mission" lol!

    Wish liberals would learn to start minding no ones business but their own.
     
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    WHY must Patriotic Americans Pay for crazed individuals?

    The average AMERICAN Citizen had no involvement regarding FUBAR! So why must new, supressive LAWS entail the AVERAGE, Honest American citizen? Most American citizens merely want to protect their loved-ones. The Second Amendment to our AMERICAN CONSTITUTION merey states that me may defend our families, and the U.S. in GENERAL against all FUBAR! I distain FUBAR as a whole, but certain forces seem to dwell upon AMERICAN FUBAR from within! FROM WITHIN is the most devious, DETRIMENTAL force. Thank GOD for acronyms. cliffy
     
  14. Sergeant Sabre

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    Thank you. That's exactly what I mean. Thousands will die in traffic crashes while we wait for the next mass shooting that kills a few. So why the big yank about mass shootings? Well because it's a sensational, emotional story, and guns are an evil scapegoat.

    Decrease drunk driving, and increase seat belt use and obedience to traffic laws and you can save many more than if you were successful in eliminating mass shootings. But alas, that makes sense, so libs won't have it.
     
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    I certainly hope you're not trying to paint this article as unbiased. I like the article and all, but just because we share the same bias doesn't mean it isn't there.
     
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    The writer errs dramatically in incorporating a bogus chain email near verbatim into his penultimate paragraph.

    Even if the rest was accurate and / or plausible, repeating the Ed Chenel chain mail blew it.

    It was 1997. It was "a year ago" eleven years ago. The numbers have changed and the Victoria one never made sense to start with - homicides went from 7 to 19. Numbers too small to be statistically significant and, even had the 19 been 21, it would not have been 300% - it would have been 200%. Whoever did the original chain email was mathematically challenged and makes subsequent versions easy to spot.

    Too bad, I rather like the rest of the piece.

    Let's hope it's not examined too critically. Probably a forlorn hope.

    We can do better. A little more vetting and a little less "copy / paste" on the part of the author would have gone a long way.

    http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp
     
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    I like it a lot less now. Now I have also learned somehting, however, so yay Hawk!
     
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