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Golfanaticshooter
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I'm not going to pay to read the filth that is the WP. Are there any other sources to back that claim? I doubt it's veracity.from the article linked in post #6...
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''What’s not fun, and went unaddressed on the sales page, is the reality that thousands of children unintentionally shoot themselves or others each year because they find a gun and pull its trigger. Culper Precision’s customization arrived...''
I was completely unaware that, THOUSANDS of kids are involved in shootings every year?
I said as much in the other thread. Children don't find Lego guns loaded laying around the house, they find real guns left out by adults who are apparently not demonstrating enough responsibility to prevent fatal accidents.
Some teach and engage their children responsible gun behavior, and have loaded firearms readily available in the house. Some don't, and the result is having children who have no clue finding it then "playing" gunfighter. That is irresponsible - normal guns kill children.
Crying over spilled Legos is projecting poor habits on something that doesn't even exist and assigning blame to it, when it's abundantly clear that revolvers, pistols, hunting rifles, etc are actually the cause of most incidents. The reason we don't see much in the way of enforcement? The penalty is already imposed, your dead child laying in a pool of their own blood.
All the punishment some might consider for leaving a Lego gun out should be identical for leaving a loaded, normal gun out. Are we willing to accept that?
Keeping in mind that in the last 20 years the sales of gun safes of all descriptions have risen exponentially. Is it being suggested that only the poor leave loaded guns out where kids can find them? Because the reality is, gun owners with safes are suffering the loss of children too.
What we have is evidence our own community of gun owners is cocked and spring loaded to create divisiveness - which keeps up politically weak and makes our adversaries strong. We need to stop rising to the bait - some of the things put into the media stream are exactly that, bait.
Yessir I 100% agree. The clickable link I described from post #6 however, is just that. Clickable, readable, open. No pay wall or firewall. Leastways on my browser and I run boocoo ad blockers & such.
DeepSouth
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I think it’s stupid, tacky. Just generally dumb, and a SERIOUS waste of money.
Also if someone likes it wants to buy it, show it to his buddies, take it to range and shoot lego blocks with it. Then he takes it home and secures it in his safe.
Well, I don’t see why that’d be any of business at all.
Also if someone likes it wants to buy it, show it to his buddies, take it to range and shoot lego blocks with it. Then he takes it home and secures it in his safe.
Well, I don’t see why that’d be any of business at all.
jmorris
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If I had a nickel for every time someone asked me to check out their new toy to only show me something a child shouldn’t play with…
I have many firearms I use for nothing except entertainment. While I don’t have any that look like Legos or painted up with hello kitty, that’s because they don’t suit my tastes.
I suppose the guns are tools not toys guys would be fine with these?
I suppose anything to make them less acceptable and more evil as well as forcing your opinion op on others is the goal and how we get kids kicked out of school for pointing their finger and raising their thumb to use as a sighting device…
When I was a kid, kids played with toys that looked like the real thing. Parents bought us guns because we enjoyed “playing” with them, the text book definition :
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engage in activity for enjoyment and recreation rather than a serious or practical purpose.
That to me sounds a lot like a toy. Painting firearms at all doesn’t make guns more fun for me but I can’t say I have never enjoyed playing with them. I have shot gun games for years.
What are the chances of a life threatening accidental discharge by a child with one of those Dewalts?
Is there not a difference between making a tool look like a gun and making a fully functioning gun look like a child's toy?
Is the hand of a child "pointing their finger and raising their thumb" a lethal weapon? (Straw man alert ...)
No.
Is it the same as making a functional handgun look like a child's toy?
No.
Do gun owners have an obligation to be reasonably cautious and responsible - especially in regards to children? YES.
Is it responsible to make a Glock look like a Lego toy? In my opinion - No , it is quite irresponsible.
Regarding "forcing your opinion" , I am not forcing my opinion on anybody ; I am expressing my opinion. Anyone who does not wish to be exposed to expression of opinion should probably avoid discussion forums ; discussion inevitably involves expression of opinion.
Is there not a difference between making a tool look like a gun and making a fully functioning gun look like a child's toy?
Is the hand of a child "pointing their finger and raising their thumb" a lethal weapon? (Straw man alert ...)
No.
Is it the same as making a functional handgun look like a child's toy?
No.
Do gun owners have an obligation to be reasonably cautious and responsible - especially in regards to children? YES.
Is it responsible to make a Glock look like a Lego toy? In my opinion - No , it is quite irresponsible.
Regarding "forcing your opinion" , I am not forcing my opinion on anybody ; I am expressing my opinion. Anyone who does not wish to be exposed to expression of opinion should probably avoid discussion forums ; discussion inevitably involves expression of opinion.
DeepSouth
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I think this may be the where the opinions split.
imo the irresponsible part is letting the kid get the gun, what the gun looks like is irrelevant.
If you’re responsible with the LEGO gun, or any other gun, the kid never has it in their possession, unsupervised. So we’re back to it not mattering what it looks like, it’s looks are not the irresponsible part.
ETA: I’m reminded of a quote “with freedom comes responsibly” let’s not limit freedom because some people may be irresponsible…at least not in this case.
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Phaedrus/69
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I think they were threatened with a lawsuit by the Lego company. They have numerous patents on their blocks, several of which they claim (rightfully it would seem) were being infringed. If you want to look like a moron modding your own gun that's one thing but they were marketing the gun along with the infringing stuff. Not smart.
DeepSouth
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That’s fair.
Risk: same as any gun… personally my youngest is 18 and all of my non self defense guns stay under lock and key. I honestly can’t think of anyway this gun is more risky than any other, assuming you a responsible person who doesn’t let kids play guns.
Reward: same as any gun + apparently some people like the looks or attention.
It's like obscenity. The Scotus justice knew it when he saw it.
This is stupid. I know it when I see it.
Like obscenity, should it be protected (except for Lego infringement which has legal basis)? Maybe. Is it stupid - yes.
This is stupid. I know it when I see it.
Like obscenity, should it be protected (except for Lego infringement which has legal basis)? Maybe. Is it stupid - yes.
I disagree.
While we can all agree that it is of paramount importance that adults take measures to prevent children from having unsupervised access to firearms , mistakes and unexpected circumstances do occur. I do not mean to make light of that , I am just being realistic. Things happen.
So , if a child were to encounter two guns lying within his/her each , one of conventional construction and appearance , the other made to look like a brightly colored toy made of deliberately familiar materials (in this case Legos...) , which of the two is that child likely to be quickly attracted to?
Why roll out a welcome mat that says "Pick me up and play with me!" ?
Why?
Applying objectivity to something as subjective as the appearance of an item will not lead to an objective evaluation. The only thing objective about this is that a firearm is a firearm. Appearance is only that: appearance. Appearance is what AWB’s were based on in the past. Scary looks. Kids pick up non LEGO appearing firearms as well. Kids are kids, and to many of them, a black or wood and blued firearm is just as cool looking, if not more so, than some LEGO gun.
Here’s an objective thing: keep guns out of the hands of kids in whatever appropriate safe manner one may deem necessary, and they won’t harm themselves with it. No matter what it looks like.
Just for info, there have been studies with little kids where they are given all the gun safety lectures, from various programs, etc. Then the teachers leave or the kids moved to another room with a gun (obviously not a dangerous one, fake, replica, totally cleared, etc.). A large number immediately picked up the guns and played with them. They also could overcome heavy trigger pulls using more than one finger.They could rack by leaning against edges of tables.
I looked up the orthopedic hand strength of kids in the medical literature. They had the strength to overcome any trigger pull on a modern gun.
I looked up the orthopedic hand strength of kids in the medical literature. They had the strength to overcome any trigger pull on a modern gun.
There seems to be an assumption that the owner will act responsibly, but the owner wants his gun to look like a toy commonly used by 6-8 year old children and "creator" ripped off the trade dress of a well known company. Good for attracting attention if that is what is wanted, but no other discernable benefit.
There, have I earned my grumpy old guy merit badge?
There, have I earned my grumpy old guy merit badge?
This is a firearms forum, we are discussing a firearm that looks like LEGO’s, some label it’s looks as “irresponsible”, we discuss semi-auto firearms that are called “assault rifles” and we get upset about that, we are never to let any firearm no matter it’s looks get accessed by children, presenting irresponsible looks on a gun form that promotes 2A rights seems counterintuitive to me, I feel like I crossed some strange boundary.
“Irresponsible”, when it comes to looks is very subjective and based on opinion and taste. That’s it. Just like racy red cars with ground effect components, or whatever else. It’s personal taste. Not everyone may like it. So what.
The “responsible” part comes from keeping guns away from kids so they can’t harm themselves or others. There are many ways to accomplish that.
The “responsible” part comes from keeping guns away from kids so they can’t harm themselves or others. There are many ways to accomplish that.
DeepSouth
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That’s a fair point, their are no perfect people. But if someone practices responsibly, and or lives in a house with no small kids, which is the majority of people. Then the chances of it actually happening extremely slim.
I’m not saying roll out a welcome mat. I’m saying freedom comes with risk. We should all have the freedom to weigh the risks and rewards for ourselves. For me this has little to do with a gun, it has a lot to do with freedom.
Who should get to decide the risk level in your house? I’m just asking the answer to that question be applied evenly.
If some world existed where I did like the lego gun (it doesn’t) and I lived in a house with small kids and I couldn’t afford a safe then I probably wouldn’t buy one. But in my current situation where i literally can’t remember the last time a kid was in my house, and I have multiple safes. Then sure I’d buy one.
The point is that it should be my choice.
It’s probably a good idea to keep in mind the overwhelming majority of the “assault weapons ban” crowd, base their opinion on how a gun looks.
lysanderxiii
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I find it quite amusing that many people here are blaming the gun as the cause for children accidentally shooting themselves, or that children should be "resticted" and locked away from guns because they are too dangerous for them...
Children should be taught what a gun is and what it is capable of from as early an age possible. I remember when youngsters used to take a rifle out all by themselves to hunt squirrels and just punch holes in paper. Children are a lot smarter than people think, they are just "ignorant" in the true sense of the word, they do not know what a gun is capable of. If you correct that at an early age, it stays with them, just like teaching that to a person that is 18 years old.
Most people don't do it because they are too lazy to take the time to do this with their kids and think that this knowledge will somehow magically appear when they turn 18, or have fallen into the myth that "kids can't be trusted with dangerous things."
Children should be taught what a gun is and what it is capable of from as early an age possible. I remember when youngsters used to take a rifle out all by themselves to hunt squirrels and just punch holes in paper. Children are a lot smarter than people think, they are just "ignorant" in the true sense of the word, they do not know what a gun is capable of. If you correct that at an early age, it stays with them, just like teaching that to a person that is 18 years old.
Most people don't do it because they are too lazy to take the time to do this with their kids and think that this knowledge will somehow magically appear when they turn 18, or have fallen into the myth that "kids can't be trusted with dangerous things."
Elkins45
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In a perfect world few people would buy these, and the few that do would store them out of the reach of children.
In an imperfect world somebody will probably have to die and then a civil jury will make the company disappear.
In an imperfect world somebody will probably have to die and then a civil jury will make the company disappear.
The definition of a perfect world varies based upon opinion and priorities.
I guess posters didn't read what I said. A significant number of kids ignore the gun safety lectures and play with unattended guns. You may think that your patriarchial spiel makes you obey. That might be for some, but not for all. Wonder why teens have high accident rates - that's because they listened to you?
We see this comment all the time. It's not correct for enough kids to make it worthless.
We see this comment all the time. It's not correct for enough kids to make it worthless.
FROGO207
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If most of the readers look in their past like me. I still am amazed that I lived long enough to reach the age of 25. That was my turning point when I started to become a responsible human being. The days in childhood with many dangerous things I participated in, now looking back I must have gone through at least a dozen guardian angels. Thank God they were there! The truth is kids will be kids and will do as they want in an age appropriate way. Just sayi'n.
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