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A quick introduction … Just found this board pretty much by accident while researching articles to include as follow up on my daughter’s website. Further clarification – my daughter is the young girl featured on MTV’s True Life: I’m A Gun Owner” as well as the news article from the Daily News Record in Harrisonburg, VA. I read with interest the posts here, and would like to thank many of you, your posts were much more understanding than many I have come across on various message boards – many of which just jumped to ridiculous conclusions without thinking beyond the story presented in front of them. Unfortunately, as is often the case, “creative license” is used all to frequently when presenting any story, and the result is that the “final copy” may be slightly askew to reality. I won’t waste everyone’s time recapping the events here, but if anyone is interested, I will be happy to fill in the holes in the background and/or “rest of the story” or you can read one of the lengthy rebuttals I have already posted. (smile) I will state several things unequivocally. First, in negation of one of the comments MTV showed out of context, my daughter will never choose Self Defense tactics over carrying a firearm – she has been shooting since she was eight years old, and has always been an avid supporter of the Second Amendment – her whole stance on gun rights did NOT come about simply as a result of her having been attacked. Secondly, Lennie did NOT carry the gun into the bar - what they cut out, which angers me greatly - is her putting the gun into the glove compartment before entering the bar. But I'm doing what I promised not to do - getting into the nitty gritty details, so I will leave this alone for now, and again, for anyone who wants more information, please feel free to email or message me. In any case, it is nice to have found this message forum, and I look forward to reading more!
 
In any case, it is nice to have found this message forum, and I look forward to reading more!

And, Ma'am, we're glad you found us. Welcome aboard and we look forward to hearing more from you.

(BTW, if your daughter is still single and thinks guys would be too timid to date a gal who can shoot them, she needs to join us here. There are plenty of single guys here whose dream girl is an intelligent, enlightened gun owner. I'm one of the lucky ones who found just such a girl already.)
 
didnt see the MTV thing, but wish i did. sounds interesting to me. Its amazing how the news media can shape a story into what they want it to look like isnt it? I'm in the fire dept and when the news media asks questions we dont tell them :cuss: , we just send them to the chief. they can twist your words any way they want to. master manipulators.
 
I don't watch MTV *shudder*, but I have no doubt that the facts are skewed.
Welcome to Teh Hi Rode.
 
Thank you and welcome to the forum. I look forward to reading more from you in the future.
Josh
 
LCG ~

Welcome to THR. I read your rebuttals awhile back following a link on another board, and have to say that I'm glad your family was brave enough to allow MTV to cover your story! Even though MTV cut a lot of stuff and didn't get everything right, Lennie's segment was an overall positive for gun owners. Since most people in America get all of their thoughts and opinions out of the idiot box, winning hearts and minds is simply going to require some of us to take the kinds of risk you and your daughter did.

Thank you for doing it.

pax
 
It pains me to admit, anyone willing to let the MTV Roto-Rooter go through their life, even only for a short time, is braver than me.

That said, welcome to THR!
 
I haven't yet seen the segment (poor college student=no cable tv), but I did read all I could on it. Thanks for sharing your insight, and I hope we can hear more from you in the future.
 
I watched the whole thing with alot of the members Glocktalk.com, another firearm related forum, and it was rather obvious they took liberal steps in editing.

I could forgive her for carrying in a bar even though she didn't, but buying a Kahr.. well.. I'll think about it.

:)

Welcome to THR
 
Thank you for stopping by and filling in the details. I know a lot of people who saw the show were questioning the carry in the bar. Glad to see that it was no big deal. Its always interesting to hear the story that television didn't decide to tell.
 
Unfortunately, as is often the case, “creative license” is used all to frequently when presenting any story, and the result is that the “final copy” may be slightly askew to reality.
This is not only true of so-called "reality" TV shows, but also applies to most so-called "news" programs, as well. In fact it should be etched right on the TV screen like the warning "objects in mirror are closer than they appear." Should also be printed in the margins of all major "newspapers."
 
Welcome to the forum. I saw the picture of her on the other thread where she says "guys don't date girls that can shoot them." Please tell her this is a benefit, not a downside. Any guy who wouldn't date a girl because she has a gun calls their motives into serious question. Why does it intimidate them? Good riddance to those losers. She is a beautiful and intelligent woman. Any self respecting (and respectful of her) guy would be glad she's safe and can take care of herself.

What would be wrong with her carrying in a bar? Potential state specific legalities aside (It's perfectly legal here in OR to have a CCW in a Bar). Women aren't subject to (instead the subjects of) the stupid, petty testosterone fueled altercations men get into. If a nice girl ends up needing to protect herself in a bar, it won't likely be a result of something avoidable, unless she avoids the whole bar...not a bad idea.

It wouldn't usually be prudent for a man to carry in a bar because if something happens the perception would be very hard to overcome that it was not self defense, but a typical bar fight. For this reason a man concerned about protection...should just avoid bars! I don't bother going, certainly not to night clubs. That said, I'm glad it's legal here, I used to go to a very small town bar where a friend of mine played music. It was very low key, usually hardly any other customers and everyone was friendly. Good food and often families eating there before 9pm when the kids had to leave. I didn't take my gun off just to go there, there was no more likelyhood of altercation there then at the mall. Personal responsibility is what it's all about...not legislated "responsibility."
 
Welcome to THR, and hat's off to you and your daughter. I've been lucky enough to find a little lady of my own that had taken up CCW. She shoots circles around me at the range with a pistol, but I still am king of the hill when it comes to open-iron rifles. Besides, I can see major advantages of being pinned down with someone that you know can hold their own and not curled into a corner crying (man or woman).

Have a good one and safe shootin' ma'am.
 
strambo said:
Welcome to the forum. I saw the picture of her on the other thread where she says "guys don't date girls that can shoot them." Please tell her this is a benefit, not a downside. Any guy who wouldn't date a girl because she has a gun calls their motives into serious question. Why does it intimidate them? Good riddance to those losers. She is a beautiful and intelligent woman. Any self respecting (and respectful of her) guy would be glad she's safe and can take care of herself.

What would be wrong with her carrying in a bar? Potential state specific legalities aside (It's perfectly legal here in OR to have a CCW in a Bar). Women aren't subject to (instead the subjects of) the stupid, petty testosterone fueled altercations men get into. If a nice girl ends up needing to protect herself in a bar, it won't likely be a result of something avoidable, unless she avoids the whole bar...not a bad idea.

It wouldn't usually be prudent for a man to carry in a bar because if something happens the perception would be very hard to overcome that it was not self defense, but a typical bar fight. For this reason a man concerned about protection...should just avoid bars! I don't bother going, certainly not to night clubs. That said, I'm glad it's legal here, I used to go to a very small town bar where a friend of mine played music. It was very low key, usually hardly any other customers and everyone was friendly. Good food and often families eating there before 9pm when the kids had to leave. I didn't take my gun off just to go there, there was no more likelyhood of altercation there then at the mall. Personal responsibility is what it's all about...not legislated "responsibility."

I really can't find any girls that have a strong affinity to guns and I live in TEXAS.... :fire: Here you loose your CHL if you walk into a bar with your HG (granting that the establishment finds out and calls the coppers).
 
I just read through your letter to Mr. Uncle.
Very lucid, Well thought out, reasonable, and informative.

I congratulate both you and your daughter on what you have made of yourselves.

Welcome to both of you.
You have MANY friends here.

Fud
 
"she has been shooting since she was eight years old"

A late bloomer. ;)

I quit watching MTV about 15 or 20 years ago it seems like. Do they still play music videos?

Welcome.

John
 
thank you and new question

strambo said:
Personal responsibility is what it's all about...not legislated "responsibility."

I hesitate to quote just one person here, with all of the many warm and sincere welcome's I have received - yet I have to say this comment stands out as it was the topic my daughter chose for her college entrance essays when she was just beginning her college career (and after four years, and talk of more - I'm beginning to think it really IS her chosen "career"!!)

But thanks to all of you for such an understanding and open welcome. I do look forward to reading and participating on the boards.

A few answers to some of your questions. I have no idea if they play music videos on MTV - I don't watch it. One, I live waaaaaaaaaaay out in the middle of nowhere, and really have no desire to have satellite and of course cable isn't an option. Aside from that, MTV hasn't interested me in years, so wouldn't watch it even if I could. I did try and catch a few episodes of True Life after they finished filming and before the "I'm a Gun Owner" show was released - and it really scared me what I saw - almost came across as a twisted comedy - an "I can't believe they are putting this on television" kind of reaction. I truly believe that Shadowbox Films is the only reason this episode was presented as well as it was - we grew very fond of the film crew, and they adored Lennie and were determined to present her side as completely and fully as they were allowed. What I think most people watching the show don't stop to think about is that they (the film crew) were with us almost daily from August to October - the camera never stopped filming - on some days, literally from the moment we first opened our eyes (although both of them learned quickly to keep that danged camera out of my face until after I'd had my first couple cups of coffee!) The amount of footage that had to be weeded through and ultimately rejected was enormous - and certainly not a job I would have wanted to tackle. Justin and Dave have both commented that it was one of the hardest segments they have had to edit, as there was so much important and good material that they wanted to include - but couldn't. In some instances, the decisions were easy - for example, it has been questioned why the footage shot of her at the range in Virginia Beach was not used instead of showing her tinkering around at the farm with her Dad - a question I had as well, as it - at least to me - would have showed responsible gun ownership. But I never even had to raise the question - when I spoke with Justin just prior to the show airing, he told me that they had to cut out the segment at the range as the lighting was poor on the film, and consequently, the footage there was just not of high enough quality to be included. Sad - because that was the day she actually took her NRA class and received her certification, and I would really think that would have been beneficial to have included that. But regardless - there was a tremendous amount of things left out because they simply didn't have time to show it all ... As I stated before, I do wish they could have found a way to have presented her being a little "stronger" on film - but all in all, given the parameters they were given to work with by MTV, I think they held as true to their promise to present her side honestly as they could.

As for the comment "guys don't date girls that can shoot them." from the DNR article - my daughter and I are both clueless as to where that came from. My daughter is quite full of sarcastic humor - and we are guessing that it was taken from something that she meant as a joke, though neither of us really remember the conversation going off in that direction. I'm not going to say she didn't say that as I don't think Mr. Reynolds would have made up a quote out of thin air, but I will say it's never been a concern or issue, and left Lennie feeling a little betrayed when she read it. Not to mention the amount of email it generated - I am presuming from people going to the college website and locating her name and email address ... was a little unsettling that so many people had taken that one ridiculous quote as "an invitation" ...

As for being "brave" for taking on the whole MTV experience - well I am not sure brave is the proper word here. My daughter has shown strength and bravery to the point of leaving me in awe of her - those of you who have read the story of what happened to us know how difficult the next few years were for us, and how rationally and poignantly she refused to give up the fight. MTV was quite an experience, yes - but nothing compared to the road she had traveled to get to that point. Bottom line is - if "we" (and I use we collectively as those who believe in the sanctity of gun rights) don't stand up to the MTV stereotypical masses - then who will? It was a risk, yes - but risks are something that have never really intimidated my daughter, not when it involves something she believes in.

And lastly - I have asked my daughter to stop by, however, it may be awhile before she gets here. Couple things are taking a priority in her life right now. One, she has switched her major from political science to history with a minor in historical archeology, and as this is her fourth year - the workload is pretty intensive. Also, she has a steady guy in her life - so balancing the school work load and a social life leaves her pretty short on time. But aside from all of that - the MTV episode was very draining on her emotionally. For the last six years, Lennie has been in the "limelight" so to speak with her activism - and right now, more than anything, she just wants to lead the life of a normal college student. She just recently declined to even be quoted in "The Breeze" (the JMU school newspaper) because as she told the reporter with her polite but firm refusal: "I just want to be normal for a while." She still wants to help out with the SAS - gun shows, meetings, etc, and she - in her own words - will never stop fighting for what she believes in ... but for now, she wants to be invisible for a while. Having been by her side throughout all of this - to be honest, it saddens me a little that she feels that way - Lennie is a powerful speaker, and it always gave my heart a little tug to watch her grasp her audience in the palm of her hand ... Yet, as her Mother, I can tell you that I respect decision 200% - she's more than earned the right to be anonymous for a while ...

With that said, anyone have any advice/knowledge on the Para-Ordance Warthog? Considering a purchase in the next few weeks, and have been really impressed with what I've read and researched on that particular model. Would be curious to hear from someone that has owned or fired one though ...
 
Welcome to THR and thanks for sharing the details that MTV left out, though I don't see a problem with packing in a bar so long as you're sober.


Deathrider1579 said:
Here you loose your CHL if you walk into a bar with your HG (granting that the establishment finds out and calls the coppers).

Here in CO it is perfectly legal to pack in a bar as long as you do not become intoxicated. Limit is the same as it is for automobiles, so you are safe to have a drink over dinner. Colorado law states that you cannot be under the influence of intoxicating liqour, but you are not considered under the influence until your BAC is .05%.
 
JohnBT said:
I quit watching MTV about 15 or 20 years ago it seems like. Do they still play music videos?
They stopped playing music videos a long time ago. :)
 
Glad you stopped by THR. Hope you stick around.

I remember when ESPN did a real life show supposedly about Texas A&M Football. It ended up being a screwed up show focusing on any strange people they could find at A&M. I believe they were kicked off campus before the season ended.
That was ESPN. I can't imagine that MTV would be any better.
 
MachIVshooter said:
Welcome to THR and thanks for sharing the details that MTV left out, though I don't see a problem with packing in a bar so long as you're sober.
Agreed, in fact in a lot of these lil' local yokel type places, I'd feel much safer knowing there were responsible gun owners in the midst. My point in bringing it up is that in Virginia - it is illegal - and the way it was shown made it appear that Lennie was arrogantly ignoring that law - which simply was not the case. As far as Lennie not taking her personal gun to a bar or party - although Lennie is quite mature for her age and very responsible - she is also smart enough to know that some of her classmates and acquaintances are not quite so mature and responsible. Therefore she felt that having the gun in those surroundings was perhaps not the smartest thing to do. As much as I would like to think that all families have taught their children to respect guns, unfortunately that is not the case, and there are to many kids who simply know nothing about them or how to handle them. I say kids, and of course I am speaking of 20 - 24 year olds, but none the less, they can be ridiculously immature when thrown with their peers.

In Virginia, open carry is still permitted in some restaurants, it really depends on the individual owner. We're fighting right now to have the restaurant ban lifted. I have issues with anyone who wants to keep guns out of their establishment - I guess when it all comes down to the fine line, they'd rather be robbed or hurt themselves than to allow one of us "gun nuts" to protect them ... pretty pathetic.
 
Welcome to the High Road. I don't watch MTV but I lloked up the story after reaing the start of this thread and all i can say is Good for her. I am a big self defense advocate and I think guns can be a great form of or additrion to self defense. again...Welcome!
 
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