A magnificent example of why not to use "liberal" as an attack/insult

[Kynoch]

From the 2012 Democratic platform, (The party of liberals, progressives, leftists, socialists, ect) when they removed the phrase "what works in Chicago"
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So they have identified themselves as enemies of the 2A, they have essentially declared war on us. And since I'm not willing to embrace them, being as their the enemy, I guess I'll stick my head in the sand so I want offend the embracers.

Another attempt at parody?

Read the title of this thread: "A magnificent example of why not to use "liberal" as an attack/insult."

Ceasing to use the term "liberal" as an insult in no way condones someone voting in an anti-2A manner. I hope you can grasp that.

Ceasing to use the term "liberal" as an insult might well keep some "liberals" from being offended and not supporting the 2A in a myriad of ways which may or may not include how they vote.

 

[OilyPablo]

You guys made your point on page one. Now go out and try to stop your party from attacking OUR 2nd Amendment rights. I'm done with this thread.

 

[Theohazard]

You guys made your point on page one. Now go out and try to stop your party from attacking OUR 2nd Amendment rights. I'm done with this thread.

Who are you talking about here? Nobody has identified themselves as a liberal or a Democrat in this thread. So are you saying that because we think it's ignorant and counterproductive to conflate partisan politics with 2A issues, that means we're liberal Democrats? Wow...

 

[Theohazard]

Still gonna use it.

Are you saying you're still going to use the term "liberal"? That's fine, it's a completely valid term and it's certainly not an insult when applied accurately.

But if you're saying you're going to continue to use "liberal" to mean "anti-gun", then that's counterproductive, ignorant, and simply shows a total lack of political nuance.

 

[OilyPablo]

Who are you talking about here? Nobody has identified themselves as a liberal or a Democrat in this thread. So are you saying that because we think it's ignorant and counterproductive to conflate partisan politics with 2A issues, that means we're liberal Democrats? Wow...

Nobody?? Please. Please stop the coy act. Anyway, I'm simply saying voting Democrat supports the party with violation of civil rights written right into the party platform. No more, no less.

 

[silicosys4]

Nobody?? Please. Please stop the coy act. Anyway, I'm simply saying voting Democrat supports the party with violation of civil rights written right into the party platform. No more, no less.

Ahem....
Patriot act.
You won't fool me into thinking a conservative govt. won't sell out civil liberties

 

[jerkface11]

Ahem....
Patriot act

Didn't the Democrats control congress when that was passed?

 

[Field Tester]

Nobody?? Please. Please stop the coy act. Anyway, I'm simply saying voting Democrat supports the party with violation of civil rights written right into the party platform. No more, no less.

The only one paying coy here is you.
If you want to call someone out do it, otherwise don't insinuate.
I haven't been able to identify a single person's party in this thread.
I identified mine earlier so I know your comment isn't directed at me.

 

[Theohazard]

Nobody?? Please. Please stop the coy act.

OK, then show me where someone in this thread has self-identified as a Democrat. I don't remember a single one. And only one person has identified themselves as a liberal, and we haven't heard from him in a while.

Me, I'm neither a liberal nor a Democrat, but I think it's idiotic to alienate potential allies by defining the RKBA as a partisan issue.

 

[OilyPablo]

Ahem....
Patriot act.
You won't fool me into thinking a conservative govt. won't sell out civil liberties

When did we actually have a conservative government? Not for a LONG time. But good try. Democrat Party platform is anti-2nd amendment. Not sure how you can deny that fact.

 

[Theohazard]

Democrat Party platform is anti-2nd amendment. Not sure how you can deny that fact.

Nobody is denying that. But you're missing the point here. The point is that BOTH parties have sold out the American people when it comes to constitutional rights, whether it's the 2nd Amendment or the 4th Amendment.

But don't we want both parties to embrace the 2nd Amendment? That way, whichever party is in control, we'll have a lot less to worry about.

 

[Vodoun da Vinci]

So long as it is "Democrat vs Republican" and "Liberal vs Conservative" on gun issues we will all be divided against each other by semantics instead of united together against the folks who *will* deprive us of our rights to keep and bear arms.

That would be the government. That's why it's a two party system - we bicker and prance over ideals while the Government does as it wishes. While we call each other names and blame each other for what the Government does it continues on it's own agenda. The Government is neither Liberal nor Conservative...it is not a Republican Government nor a Democrat Government. It is unresponsive and gridlocked and only seems to be able to get anything done when it benefits the Government. It's not us against them as in Liberals vs Conservatives - it's us against them as in *all* of us against bigger, non responsive, grid locked Government. You can label me anything you like but you'll need me to help you keep your guns because "they" (The Government) fears an armed populace more than anything else.

Don't alienate me....yer gonna need me to help you keep your guns brother.

VooDoo

 

[danez71]

Why on Earth would we alienate these people by insulting them?!

Fear of what they don't understand and the need to blame in order to be secure that their position is 'right'?

 

[Kynoch]

You guys made your point on page one. Now go out and try to stop your party from attacking OUR 2nd Amendment rights. I'm done with this thread.

"My party" for now is the GOP and it has been since I was 18.

 

[Kynoch]

Who are you talking about here? Nobody has identified themselves as a liberal or a Democrat in this thread. So are you saying that because we think it's ignorant and counterproductive to conflate partisan politics with 2A issues, that means we're liberal Democrats? Wow...

Scary, aye? Just look at that thought pattern...

 

[Kynoch]

Nobody?? Please. Please stop the coy act. Anyway, I'm simply saying voting Democrat supports the party with violation of civil rights written right into the party platform. No more, no less.

Who has? I just did on a prior posting (#164) well after you own and I'm quite sure I was the first on this thread or the earlier one that was closed.

Sorry but no sale.

 

[Kynoch]

Fear of what they don't understand and the need to blame in order to be secure that their position is 'right'?

Ignorance begets both fear and bigotry.

 

[Sam Cade]

Didn't the Democrats control congress when that was passed?

The Patriot Act passed the Senate 98 to 1. The sole vote against was a Democrat.

It passed the House 357 to 66. 62 of those opposing were Democrats.

 

[Kynoch]

So long as it is "Democrat vs Republican" and "Liberal vs Conservative" on gun issues we will all be divided against each other by semantics instead of united together against the folks who *will* deprive us of our rights to keep and bear arms.

That would be the government. That's why it's a two party system - we bicker and prance over ideals while the Government does as it wishes. While we call each other names and blame each other for what the Government does it continues on it's own agenda. The Government is neither Liberal nor Conservative...it is not a Republican Government nor a Democrat Government. It is unresponsive and gridlocked and only seems to be able to get anything done when it benefits the Government. It's not us against them as in Liberals vs Conservatives - it's us against them as in *all* of us against bigger, non responsive, grid locked Government. You can label me anything you like but you'll need me to help you keep your guns because "they" (The Government) fears an armed populace more than anything else.

Don't alienate me....yer gonna need me to help you keep your guns brother.

VooDoo

Yep...

 

[OilyPablo]

Scary, aye? Just look at that thought pattern...

Interesting. You can assume thought patterns.......wow.

Please bring it down a notch or two. Assuming I was talking to you seems odd. I was talking to anyone who just happens to be a Democrat, OK? If you are not a Democrat don't get your panties all bunched up. So sensitive. IF there happens to be any Democrats here and I don't want to assume that there are, a good goal would be to change the party platform. Just saying.

 

[Kynoch]

There is no upside to using the term "liberal" as a pejorative to attack individuals.

 

[OilyPablo]

Neoconservative is OK.

It's humor.

 

[lxd55]

The Patriot Act passed the Senate 98 to 1. The sole vote against was a Democrat.

It passed the House 357 to 66. 62 of those opposing were Democrats.

hmm ok. what party would walk up to you door, right now, and physically take your firearms if they could? who hides on firearms rights during elections?
juzzsayin

 

[OilyPablo]

hmm ok. what party would walk up to you door, right now, and physically take your firearms if they could? who hides on firearms rights during elections?

We aren't supposed to mention that. Shh..Quiet.

 

[Kynoch]

Interesting. You can assume thought patterns.......wow.

Please bring it down a notch or two. Assuming I was talking to you seems odd. I was talking to anyone who just happens to be a Democrat, OK? If you are not a Democrat don't get your panties all bunched up. So sensitive. IF there happens to be any Democrats here and I don't want to assume that there are, a good goal would be to change the party platform. Just saying.

No, not "OK." You posted:

You guys made your point on page one. Now go out and try to stop your party from attacking OUR 2nd Amendment rights. I'm done with this thread.

Not a single person identified with a political affiliation of any party until I did in posting #164 -- well after your own posting. Did you honestly think you could get away with that?