I wouldn't buy it at $200, let alone $2000.
A modern 9mm levergun, yes you read this correctly
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It's exceptionally rare that I will actually take the time to complain about how ugly a gun is. This is that time.
Love the idea but man, is that ugly. A lever gun should be blued or case colored steel and walnut. Or, maybe, stainless. Just my ancient almost humble, but correct, opinion.
I would probably drop 200 on it if the trigger was acceptable.
Then I would troll my brother's about how much better it is than a Winchester.
chicharrones
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Ya know, I think too many folks see this as a <angels sing>LEVER GUN</angels sing>.
Perhaps it should be looked at as a modern manually operated carbine that happens to use a lever for that manual operatin'.
Maybe some company would create a better magazine for it, like Magpul?
Perhaps it should be looked at as a modern manually operated carbine that happens to use a lever for that manual operatin'.
Maybe some company would create a better magazine for it, like Magpul?
Demi-human
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But with advancements in modern bullet technology, the 9mm, blah, blah, blah…
One thing a vertical magazine does is eliminate the lifter lengths problems, I’ll have to assume, I’d like to see the inside of one of these. So that would increase the cartridge overall length usability, but then, how crazy could one get with just a 9mm?
Ostensibly a one trick, subsonic pony, judging merely by the attached suppressor and the only other benefit against an auto loader, a quiet and closed breech while firing. Still, a pretty good trick.
(I have to say it, sorry.
One 45Auto does better…
When there’s a speed limit, width and weight are choice!)In stoic seriousness, if this was to be made in a 45Auto, I see it as a non-direct competitor to a Ruger PCC. Those who would want a carbine in 45Auto can probably appreciate a lever action as well. For my, less than run normal, self, I would choose this in 45 over a 9 PCC.
Clearly this is for oppressive states, which I can appreciate. And there are more 9mm shooters than all others probably.
All that’s needed now is a Moon-clipped S&W M929, to round out the carbine/pistol ammunition commonality theme that always rides shotgun with a levergun thread!
chicharrones
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Well, I wanted the Red Ryder AR Levergun because it was an AR.
And this I want to dislike, but I don’t!
I gotta put in this reminder for the folks that don't remember it.
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mcb
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It can't be a <angels sing>LEVER GUN</angels sing> since it does not have side gate loading. It is simply a manual action using a lever.
@Demi-human I think the magazine is a double stack but with a single center feed.
I use to be a big fan of a PCC and pistol that used the same cartridge and magazine but in practice it has never paid out for me. Any more when out at the hunting property when I am done working I dump the pistol I have been carrying all day in the truck and grab my rifle/carbine of choice when I go walk-about looking for varmints in the evening.
I downloaded the manual and gave it a quick look through. I like the gun even more after doing that, screw heads be damned.
chicharrones
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It can't be a <angels sing>LEVER GUN</angels sing> since it does not have side gate loading.
Speedo66
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We all know it's the appearance of AR's that gets politician's heads spinning. Black rifle, looks nasty, etc. A Mini-14 in the same caliber, same semi-auto action, same mag capacity gets a pass usually, but the AR is evil.
So now we get this horror with similar visuals.
How long before politicians go after lever actions? Sensible laws, for the children...
But forget politicians for a second, that thing is hideous!
So now we get this horror with similar visuals.
How long before politicians go after lever actions? Sensible laws, for the children...
But forget politicians for a second, that thing is hideous!
mcb
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I can't find a picture of the 10rd magazine. I would love to see this gun with the 10rd magazine in it.
chicharrones
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I’m only going to say this once as to hopefully not derail this thread but it amazes me that there’s still firearms enthusiasts who still haven’t figured out that ALL politicians hate your ability to own a weapon. Having a stock made of wood has not bearing on that whatsoever you are deluding yourself if you think otherwise
And I post this as one of the biggest fudds around who doesn’t care even a little about the 80% reinterpretation or the back n fourth about “braces”
RetiredUSNChief
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Visual esthetics me a lot to me, and that doesn't float my boat in this category.
9mm would be kinda cool...but looking up the ballistics for various barrel lengths, I really don't see where the additional 140 fps (give or take) gain in velocity is worth it. Sure, it would be neat to have a larger bore rifle with much more affordable ammunition, but shelling out two grand for it is a killer for me in this category, as well.
While the detachable magazine is neat, my biased visual opinion swings towards tube magazines in a lever action.
Nice to see someone doing a little "reverse innovation", though.
9mm would be kinda cool...but looking up the ballistics for various barrel lengths, I really don't see where the additional 140 fps (give or take) gain in velocity is worth it. Sure, it would be neat to have a larger bore rifle with much more affordable ammunition, but shelling out two grand for it is a killer for me in this category, as well.
While the detachable magazine is neat, my biased visual opinion swings towards tube magazines in a lever action.
Nice to see someone doing a little "reverse innovation", though.
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Since I see it as a workaround for restrictive States, the caliber and high cap magazines (as opposed to tube fed) make sense for a
feeling of freedom in those States but I would sure want to have some 10 rounders for it as well.
The platform/idea should lend itself to all sorts of caliber options.
With a better fore end, I would want the gun in calibers like 50AE or even 454. Four or 5 round mags.
That fore end looks like it would hurt in those calibers without a cover of some sort.
Best post so far. I am trying to un-remember your pic even now.
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mcb
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So the MSRP is ~$2000 what is the street price going to be? I really like this gun but it needs to be in 40 S&W and about half that price before I would get serious about it. I can put together a very nice 9mm AR carbine for less than $1000
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someguy2800
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If it was chambered in .223, 6.5 grendel, 7.62x39 or 300 blackout, ect... and was half the price, I could could get over the looks because it would actually be useful for something. A 10 round AR mag sticking out the bottom would improve the profile tenfold.
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Just my view, this has to be the single most ugly thing on the planet.
Now me being the fudd that I am, if it was wood and steel I would look hard at it.
Now me being the fudd that I am, if it was wood and steel I would look hard at it.
MacAR
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Definitely not something I'd be interested in, at any price. Maybe I'm a fudd, but a 9mm lever action carbine is not something that I'd consider "useful". I'll stick with my Rossi carbine and it's 9 rounds of 357.
Mac
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I like lever guns and like them to have a traditional look with walnut and blued steel. I would not buy one of these if they were selling them for $100.00 with a $50.00 rebate.
earlthegoat2
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More so than just being unsightly, it is pretty bad form in general. It fits with the overall haphazard styling splendidly though. I can see folks calling this a lot like a really bad movie “It’s so bad, it’s good”.
BTW, that is not a compliment to this atrocity.
Grizzly Custom took over that. I’m unsure if they are still making them though. The only ones in the catalog were 45 ACP and 10mm. They may have had some problems with the shorter length of the 9mm.
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Chamber it in 45ACP, 10mm or 450 Bushmaster (something where one can really take advantage of subsonic in addition to supersonic performance) and get the cost down to $1000 and I could see myself giving one a whirl, some wood MLOK accent pieces I think would be a cool blend of modern and old.
I love my older levers but am ok with some modern takes on lever action. Old Winchester, Marlins, Savages, etc will still always have desirability.
I love my older levers but am ok with some modern takes on lever action. Old Winchester, Marlins, Savages, etc will still always have desirability.
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