A reasonable regulation? What could one be?

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OK everyone....take a deep breath and relax. :rolleyes:

I fully comprehend the import of the Second Amendment. I understand how it got written. I understand the philosophy behind it. I understand how it has been construed by courts and policy makers alike. I understand what shall not be infringed means. I don't need a Second Amendment refresher course.

I get it. OK?

Good grief some of you are wound very tightly. :neener: Here I thought we were kicking back around a virtual campfire knocking back a beer or two and chatting about firearms ownership. :D There is a reason I couched this whole question in terms of a hypothetical country and state....and it wasn't so I could get a bunch of "pry it from my cold dead hands" platitudes thrown around.

Consider the Swiss. Your typical member of the Swiss Militia has in his/her home a government issued 55x series rifle (full auto capable) and a Sig 22x series handgun. They have ammo issued for both. The ammo is stored in boxes that are only to be opened in the event of a attack/disaster/whatever. The Swiss Militia member is "regulated" in the sense that the Founders meant it. They are trained and accountable. They are available for muster. They have uniformly issued weapons and ammo. As far as the Swiss are concerned the requirements placed on the firearms owners are "reasonable regulations" for the purposes they intend. Are these the types of "reasonable regulations" that might be acceptable to members of THR?

I submit that the OP's premise is deeply flawed, asking about "regulation" when he means "prohibition".

It isn't MY premise. It is a premise offered by people I know, who are Democrats, when I tell them that they are stupid for seeking gun control because it alienates many who MIGHT vote for them. The people who put forth that premise might mean practical prohibition as opposed to "regulation" (in fact they do) but that isn't what I am trying to get at. I'm asking people what they think a reasonable regulation might be...OR...if such a thing is even possible. I think this was quite clear in my first post.

Many of you have stated that there would be no restrictions of any kind (save for prisoners being disarmed while serving their terms). Fine. That is how you would do it if given the chance. If we take that regime as a given, I understand it to mean that a civilian can own and use whatever weapons they can afford to purchase and maintain. This is also fine. Given that regime, how do you then address possible issues that might flow from it?

For example, your neighbor owns an A10. He stores several tons of 20mm DU ammunition in his garage...does this impact your property rights...or are you just a scaredy pants for worrying about the radiation?

Another question might be: If there are no restrictions, and a citizen shows themselves to be chronically negligent with their arms, causing property damage over and over again, how might they be handled? Are they subject to civil liability? They should be. Criminal liability? Do they now have restrictions placed on them?
 
Driftpin,

As to religion and word, your right that they are dangerous, but wars are not fought with words but with firearms.and the 19 hijackers didn't fly Islam into WTC they used jumbo jets.

They used boxcutters to take control of those jumbo jets in the name of Islam. So if we take away one of those ingrediants than we would not have had the tradgedy on 9/11. I mean if we had "reasonable restrictions" on boxcutters than the terrorists would have never had control over the plane. Or better yet let's ban jumbo jets since in the wrong hands they are so dangerous. Don't forget the terrorists were not licensed to fly but they still did. How about control on religion? No more freedom of religion. Only from state controlled churches are you allowed to worship. Sounds a little silly and impossible doesn't it? Yet only religion is protected in the BoR and we give the Second Amendment less respect than boxcutters. Which are not protected by the BoR.

Killing an idea is much harder than killing a person. Once again... Wars are fought WITH weapons but OVER ideas. People would still be fighting if no one had firearms.
 
I hate list.

Hey there:
Any time we have people making list of what we can or can not do or have they are setting themselves up as judges . This they are not.
The Right you speek of is just that a "right". One to be upheld and defended any time others would try to take it from you. That is exactly why we have The right to keep and bear arms.

1st and most importantly it is there for our protection from our own Goverment. Should they ever try and take it from us. It is also written that it is not to be infringed upon. That means tampered with. No little add on's or take aways. In other words "Leave it alone".....

This is funny and why this comes up all the time is a mystery.
Any Government that does not trust it's people should not be trusted.

Power and greed is their only motive. No other. You will also find that most of the other popular issues of the day are right along side of the gun control issue and on the same side of the fence.
 
My problem with the idea of "reasonable regulation" stems from the conclusions of Wright/Rossi/Daly in their book, "Under The Gun". (Univ. of Fla. Press, 1985). These statisticians, after researching Florida gun-control laws in the Post-GCA '68 era, stated that no gun control in force in Florida had ever had any effect on the rate of violent crimes involving firearms.

If there is thus no point to regulation, why regulate?

Note that this does not speak to the issue of sales/possession wrt felons or adjudicated mental incompetents.

Art
 
Why not give WMD's to the three Islamic Fundamentalists that moved down the street from you that slipped through the cracks and got a green card. A person who believes he is going to be raveged by virgins for the simple fact that he just commited suicide and took some so called infidels with him. Or maybe some guy who just lost his family to a drunk driver and the guy just wants to kill himself and take as many of us with him. I think I would rather have the government control them. At least we can be somewhat assured that they aren't going to launch them at their own people.

The idea of citzens with WMD's is totally asinine.
 
Wmd ?

Hey :
How did we get here ?
Why would we now bring up WMD ?

I don't see where any of us were asking for that......
 
You can't judge and proclaim who the H should be allowed to own what in this nation or in this world! You should NOT restrict on WHO owns what TOOL unless they are in an insane asylum or in jail. NO one died and made you or me "God". No offense by my bluntness and I do believe in God.

Shall not be infringed means what it says. Equal playing field for ALL of us NO matter who we are, what our profession is, what religion we follow or do not follow, what color we are, what nationality we are, our socio/economic level, etc.

GUN or any other OBJECT aka TOOL 'CONTROL' = CONTROL. Control = people control. Period!

The object has no pulse, no nothing... it is a freaking inanimate object!

Don't blame TOOLS or OBJECTS or FIREARMS or WMD or jack squat while you want to limit or restrict or OUTLAW those tools.

Blame the freaking perp, the rapist, the thief, the LIAR, the KILLER, the tyrant, the king, the dictator, the control freaks, the past, present and most likely FUTURE president of the USA and overseas for 'crimes' and wars.

Don't blame an OBJECT no matter what the H that object looks like.

Blame the person as listed above who uses that object or tool or fill in the blank 'weapon' for bad reasons and for MURDER and for CONTROL. Power, greed, money, control of YOU and me and/or parts of THIS nation or overseas is done by PEOPLE not OBJECTS. The objects did not jump up on their own. The people and orders FOLLOWED by those people used those objects.

Stop drinking the Kool Aid from the left and right... wake up America!

Catherine
Terrorists are in the USA and some of them are 'elected' ones not just ones that MAY or may NOT LOOK different or follow another religion as some of you think. GOOD and bad in ALL people and in all professions. It is not an OBJECT or TOOL. It is the person behind that TOOL and/or LAW who will control YOU, the destiny of this REPUBLIC and the world as we once knew it!

9/11/01 as in all other attacks and wars was an outside and 'inside' job. Follow the money, connect the dots, follow the money and ask yourself as in any WAR or LAW or fill in the blanks... WHO benefits from all of this?
 
So Driftpin - you think that you would want the government to control them?

What IF YOU say the wrong thing or LOOK different or your GOD is not the God that 'they' (The USA.) wants you to follow or even if they outlaw your religion or lack thereof... would you WANT the government to tell you that you would not be allowed to own your GUNS?!

Lord help us all. No offense. I don't want the government to tell me what the H I CAN or CAN'T OWN or want to own or NOT own due to what I look like or what religion I practice or don't practice. I am a Christian and I know many people in ALL religions including Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Christians, etc. I worry just as much about those Hagee types and ones who want to bring it on with something out of Revelations as I do about my past and present 'friends' in ANY religion. I worry more about DUAL citizens and the HEAD of Homeland INsecurity who wants to control my FREEDOMS and FIREARMS as I do about some 'so called fundy in any religion' as some say in the Kool Aid drinking crowd in the R and L wings by calling any religion this or that. YOU have religious extremists and ZEALOTS in any religion and that goes for ones in the Christian and Jewish ones too.

Shall not be infringed... first they came for the FILL IN THE BLANK.
Look up those words from a WW2 era Lutheran minister.

Gun control = people control. Period!

Catherine
 
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