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A Smith and Wesson M&P Must Read...

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by jamesr, Aug 20, 2007.

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  1. jamesr

    jamesr Member

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    A long time gun owner, first time Pistol buyer. I did my research and decided I would buy a Smith and Wesson M&P in the 40 s&w caliber.

    I purchased the 40 S&W M&P New on 8/4/07. I shot one box of 50 rounds through the pistol the same day. After shooting it I oiled the locations listed in the manual and wiped the gun down with a clean rag. I went home put the gun in the new holster I purchased with the gun. I then placed it in our night stand drawer in our temperature controlled bedroom. The gun never touched a drop of water, or sat in a damp location. One week later I take the gun out to shot again and it was covered in rust. Needless to say I was very upset that my new gun, only a week later, looks worse than my 1934 revolver. There is surface rust on the serial number, both magazines, front and rear sight, inside the magazine chamber, and even on the Slide (on the bottom rear and back sides)! I was under the impression the gun was stainless steel. In fact it says stainless just an inch in front of the rust on the slide?! Since it was designed to be a duty pistol I figure it would be low maintence and withstand most conditions. That was not the case; it couldn’t even sit in room kept 70 degrees for one week. I could not imagine it after a month if I was an officer carrying this weapon in the weather.


    Buyers beware! I contacted Smith and they are sending me a prepaid label to ship it too them. I will follow up with what they do.

    If you are on the fence like i was between the m&p / xd /Glock 22. This should help make up your mind.

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  2. EdLaver

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    I can tell you that is highly irregular having both a M&P .40 (1 year) and a M&P .45 (2 weeks) and EVERYTHING about them has been nothing short of pure excellence.
    What did you clean it with?
    If you used a rag along with what ever cleaner, was the rag clean?
    Did the case foam maybe get wet?
     
  3. jamesr

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    A clean rag just to wipe off the dust and finger prints. I never had any cleaner on it yet. It was only a week old.

    It was never near a drop of water...
     
  4. scubie02

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    was it a leather holster? A gun should never be stored in a leather holster, as the chemicals used to tan the leather will often cause a gun to rust.
     
  5. tydephan

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    James,

    Welcome to the High Road.

    There was another member on here that experienced a rust issue on his M&P as well.

    You did the right thing by contacting them and they'll make it right. I sent you a PM regarding my experience with their customer service.

    Good luck to you!

    For the record, I have three M&Ps (9, 9c, 40) and live in a very humid climate. I haven't had a single issue with rust.
     
  6. jamesr

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    Nope, This is not my first gun. All my other guns look like they did the first day I bought them.

    Besides this is a WEEK OLD! A $1 screw driver doesn't rust in a week.

    Here is the holster

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  7. 40SW

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    Go with a Glock or a Springfield XD next time. Have both , love both.
    Have had several students complain about the M&P, especially about the finish and feeding problems. General concensus,
    S&W: superb revolvers.
    S&W: semis-(not so much!!).
     
  8. MD_Willington

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    That totally sucks!

    +1 to "A $1 screw driver doesn't rust in a week."

    S&W should take care of you though, I bought a beater 5906 and they sent me free parts for it, I didn't even ask them too, I just posed them a question about the plastic grips and a while later I had new grips in the mail!
     
  9. kymarkh

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    Please keep us informed on your experience with S&W customer service.
     
  10. Anna's Dad

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    Mine actually fell in a river and remained soaking wet for several hours and there is no rust. Definately not typical!

    Not to repeat so many posters before me, but I'm sure S&W will take care of you.
     
  11. sniper350

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    The residue on the rear sight doesn't look like rust from looking at the photo ....maybe just my monitor ???

    What it does look like ......is someone taking a "Bluing Pen" and trying to touch up the finish on the sight and [ here is the important part ] forgetting to wipe it off. Many people think [ wrongly ] that if you leave the chemical on the gun longer, it will blacken the finish even more. It doesn't -- what happens is the chemical turns a whitish color.

    Don't know who used the Bluing pen on the pistol.......but if that residue is a whitish color [ like it appears on my computer ] it will remove cleanly with some oil and a rag

    JF.
     
  12. Owen

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    you may want to arrange that strap on the holster so it goes over the back of the slide, instead of where you put your hand...
     
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    Looks to me if everything happened exactly the way you say it did, you got a lemon, pure and simple. S&W WILL make it right, they have a very good track record, especially with their excellent new pistol.

    As for this being a deciding factor in which gun to get, I don't put much stock in the "chime in" stories. While you may have had a real problem, the ol' "I know some people who have complained" may have been different situations altogether. You never know.

    Furthermore, XDs have been reported for rusting far more than M&Ps. Mostly before the .45 version came out. The .45 version was the first with the newer, better finish. Since then, all the other versions have been subjected to this improved finish. Glocks almost are never reported as having rusted. Even Sigs have had this problem. So don't base a decision off of one instance. You could find yourself sorely disappointed.
     
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    Oh man, those pictures made me cringe. Welcome aboard James and I hope S&W can replace it....or get your money back?
     
  15. rcellis

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    I have no doubt that S&W will make good. Send it back.
     
  16. jamesr

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    Thanks guys for all the replys! I sent it out overnight today. I will have a full write up when i get it back.

    The gun was never touched until I bought it. They opened the box while i was standing there. No bluing was ever on the gun.
     
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    What state do you live in if I may ask?
     
  18. jamesr

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    I live in PA outside Pittsburgh
     
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    Have you used that holster on other guns and not had them rust?

    The reason I ask is I had a holster that looks identical to yours for my Beretta 92. That gun would rust after 24 hours in that holster, and it had a stainless slide. It was light rust that would go away with a good cleaning.

    Never rusted again since I stopped using that holster.

    Food for thought.

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  20. jamesr

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    What kind did you swtich to? When I get my gun back I don't want to take any chances.
     
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    I have a Kydex holster for that gun now. I can't remember if it's Blade Tech or Comp Tac, I like and use them both.

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  22. sansone

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    S&W will make it all better
     
  23. the naked prophet

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    Not necessarily true. If you tan the leather by hand, or buy vegetable-tanned leather, it won't cause rust. Only commercial chrome-tanned leather should induce rust. And nobody makes holsters out of chrome-tanned leather nowadays.

    I keep all my handguns, including blued, stainless, and even guns with most of the blue worn off, in modern leather holsters (made by me) and not a one shows a hint of rust.
     
  24. medmo

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    I have had good experiences with the customer support over at S&W on a couple of guns. I'm sure they will take care of you. "Stuff" happens occassionally and sometimes a sample gets out of the factory that shoud not have shipped.

    I think you are jumping the gun, (pun intended), in castigating S&W products and recommending others to avoid them. It isn't like a the probem is complete negligence and someone could have been hurt or killed. Wait and see if they make it right first. Evaluate their response and then pass a judgement.

    I have had to return to the factory S&W, SIG, Glock and Taurus products. If I followed your line of thinking and owned enough different firearms I think I woud eventually narrow down my choices to nothing.

    It is how the factory handled the problem that I have based my opinion on their quality. Factory support from SIG and S&W was excellent. Glock was average and Taurus was..... if you have nothing nice to say then don't say anything at all.
     
  25. philbo

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    But you didn't answer the most important question... How'd it shoot?! :):):)

    Be interesting to see how fast S&W replaces it. Welcome aboard and Keep us updated.
     
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