Smith & Wesson M & P

[rbernie]

It's become apparent that useful and knowledgeable experience regarding the M&P that dosen't conform to the preconcieved beliefs on this thread aren't wanted, and of course that means nothing's to be gained by hanging around.............................................................

That's one view.

My view is that you made claims that were refuted by others direct experiences. If you choose to internalize that - that's YOUR choice. That was not forced upon you.

I have four (4) M&Ps in 40S&W. The lowest-use one has about 600 rounds through it. The highest-use one has seen about 4000 rounds through it. I have suffered not a single breakage, and the only unexpected stoppages that have occured resulted from my handloading a truncated-cone bullet with a wide metaplat; this bullet profile will occasionally hang up on the feed ramp. All commercial ammo, FMJ and HP, has worked flawlessly.

Accuracy has been good, and build quality is uniformly high. The pistol makes heavy use of stamped steel parts, but does not seem to suffer for that. Magazines are a bit pricey @ $30/ea, but that's no worse than most.

I do not find the presence of the internal take-down lever to be an annoyance, but others might. It adds about 12 seconds to the field strip process. <shrug> I've not tried pulling the trigger to take down the pistol; I prefer not to do that.

The sights are useable, and the ergonomics in general are superior (and more tailorable) than most any other polymer striker-fired pistol on the market. So far, S&W customer support has been very accomodating WRT issues or concerns - they really seem to be trying to please their intended market. The pistol is not perfect, but then again you don't have to deal with the 'but it's perfection' attitude when an issue arises.

Oh, and a quick inspection shows that the M&P does a better job of supporting the case head of a 40S&W round than does a Glock 22/23.

 

[MarcusWendt]

I am more of a Sig fan than anything, but when a deal on a .40 SW M&P came along I couldn't pass it up. First shot I fired from it took out the bullseye at about 15 to 20 feet. It made in impression on me. Unfortunately It started to drop the magazine every other round after about 500-600 rounds fired. I was distraught. I sent it back to S&W and they fixed it and got it back to me in under two weeks door to door. I was extremely impressed with the customer service. They even sent along two new magazines.

I've since put another 500 round through it without a hitch. I LOVE this firearm. I'll test it some more to about 1K rounds and if there are no other hiccups It'll be my USPSA Production gun. That's a little tough on my Sig loving heart.

Still, great is great and I'm not going to argue. I'm looking into a compact model now.

Having shot Glocks, Sigs, Walthers, and just about every other modern handgun out there I can tell you this M&P is going to give a lot of Gun manufacturers a run for their money.

Let me just say that if you shoot a Glock better than an M&P or any other gun for that matter, good for you. I don't. I find Glocks to be unreliable, inaccurate, and basically cheapo handguns. Some feel the same way about my weapons of choice, I'm not going to throw myself on the floor kicking and screaming like a baby because I don't agree with someone or because they don't like the weapons I do.

What I've noticed all over the internet gun forums is that too many people get their very existence all wrapped up in their gun brand. The go Able Sugar if anyone dare say that an M&P or whatever is better than another brand. I don't think I have to mention which brand we're speaking of. It's very sad. They are tools people, not part of your existence or worth as a man/boy.

Blind rage and fanatical fanboyism does not impress anyone. Personally I don't think it represents anyone as a responsible gun owner when you can't respect the opinion of another. Diversity is a good thing. Choice is good.

I'd love it if people wouldn't buy M&Ps or Sigs or whatever other brand I like. Maybe the price would drop and CDNN would almost give them away like they do the Styers.

The M&P is a wonderful weapon in my opinion. It's Ergos are outstanding, accuracy superior to Glocks or XD, better looking, made in America, easy to maintain. I suspect some feel threatened by the M&P because it might just unseat Glock as the LE weapon of choice.

I've read many a negative opinion on various guns. Ya post, make your case, and move on. Thanks for the info, but when I see follow up after follow up of justification for your position or outright anger, I question your motives.

I'm speaking in general terms here as it applies to many many people with respect to many many guns.

 

[Slappy McGee]

I recently purchased an M&P in 9mm and could not be happier with it. I also own a Glock 26 and HK USP Compact in .40 so I'm not exactly brand loyal.

The best feature on the M&P for me is that it just "fits." I too put my first round right thought the bullseye at about 10 yrds, and I can hit the BE from low ready repeatedly at self defense distances. Failure drills with this pistol make it look like I actually know how to shoot, something I could never accomplish with the USP or 26.

I wanted to like the Glock fullsize, but it just didn't fit my hand, and did not "point" well for me. When I tried the M&P, the sights naturally line up without having to consicously "aim" which I see as a critical feature of an SD pistol.

I've got about 500 rounds of various factory ammo with no jams or FTFs, and got in on the $50 rebate + 2 mags so I'm a happy camper. If nothing else, it's worth renting one and trying it out. I can't say a goofy disassembly procedure gets me all that fired up when I can easily hit my target all day long and actually get 3" groups with double taps from low ready, something I could never dream of with the HK or G26.

 

[DENALI]

As to 100,000 dry-fires on the M&P without breakage, BS! A completely unsubstantiated and outlandish claim. If you're dry-firing your M&P you're wrecking your striker, if you can't believe the "Glock Lover", I'd again suggest you contact S&W for further elightenment. You'd think instead of making a fair comparison I'd just said the thing was junk! And I'll add back when Glock first showed up, nobody, and I mean nobody showed the instant love affair many of you have demonstrated toward's the M&P.
And one last thing, my info is easily checked, contact S&W and satisfy your thirst.................................

 

[marksman13]

DENALI, you've gotten awfully bent out of shapw about nothing. Do I believe that everything posted on this thread is the gospel truth? No. You are taking offense to stuff that you should block out and move away from, or rebuff with facts. Instead you have lashed out at everyone who disagrees with your opinion. I for one appreciate the broad spectrum of views towards the M&P found in this thread. If you count out the worst opinion and the best you end up with the truth. The M&P is a good, reliable pistol that will make a dent in the LE market, but will probably never unseat the undisputed king of LE sidearms, the Glock. I for one hate Glocks, but you won't see me bashing those who make them out to be the second coming of the 1911.

 

[DENALI]

100,000 dry-fires? M&P was introduced in 2005 thats just over 2-full years ago. 50,000 per pistol, = 2083.3 dry-fires per day, every day! Unless you skip a day, then it's one extra day at 4166.6, or perhaps you've missed 4-days, then you'd have to ante-up 8333.2 in one day to make up for your lost ground..........And so it goes.....

 

[SlipperyShooter]

From S&W FAQ

From: http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...catalogId=10001&content=13012&sectionId=10504

Can I dry fire my S&W handgun?
Q: Can I dry fire my Smith & Wesson?

A: Yes, except for the .22 caliber pistols which includes models 22A, 22S, 422, 2206, 2214, 2213 and 41.

.22 caliber revolvers such as models 17, 43, 63, 317 and 617 also should not be dry fired.

 

[357WheelGun]

Why Mr 357, sure of that are you? Not that you'll wake up in time to stop yourself from further damaging your pistol, I'd suggest you contact S&W for real and have things explained to your satisfaction.

I am quite sure of it. Your disbelief does not change the fact that my information came straight from S&W.

Link

"Q: Can I dry fire my Smith & Wesson?

A: Yes, except for the .22 caliber pistols which includes models 22A, 22S, 422, 2206, 2214, 2213 and 41. .22 caliber revolvers such as models 17, 43, 63, 317 and 617 also should not be dry fired."

As for the +P+ ammo, it makes perfect sense that S&W will not issue a blanket "OK" for ammo that has no formal specification. Ammo labeled as "+P+" can be anything from only slightly more powerful than +P all the way up to a virtually guaranteed KaBoom regardless of weapon. However, the gun was originally built to handle the .40 S&W and the 357 Sig. Both of which are well above 9mm +P ammo.

You're welcome to disbelieve that one can take down the M&P without using the seer release, but that doesn't make it false either.

Unless you care to cite specific references from S&W that would indicate that dry-firing should not be done there's really nothing you can add to this.

Do feel free to baselessly attack my integrity by implying that I'm a liar again though. Ad Hominem attacks always help.

 

[the naked prophet]

My wife's M&P kept engaging the slide lock with ammo still in the mag. Thumbs were not hitting the lever. I hear S&W has started using a more powerful spring in the slide stop lever since she bought this gun.

Also, the slide wouldn't always go all the way forward into battery - it would appear on quick examination to be completely forward, but the barrel was still a tad low. It was closed enough that the firing pin would hit the very, very edge of the primer, but only very, very lightly. It would leave a pinprick-size dimple. If I caught the malfunction before pulling the trigger, I could push the slide forward the rest of the way and it would work fine.

I thought that last problem might be caused by a weak recoil spring. I checked all our semiautos, if you pull the slide back just a little with a chambered round, the spring is powerful enough to push the slide back into battery. But not so with the M&P, it was the only gun that was unable to do that.

S&W sent a shipping label, and we sent it in about two weeks ago. Haven't heard from them since, don't expect to for a while.

We'll see how it works afterwards.

 

[DENALI]

This will be my last post on the topic, Boy's, have I ever said visit S&W's website? If you actually own their firearms, just dial that 1-800-#............
P.S Marksman13, thats just what I was waiting to hear, YOU "HATE" Glocks. I own and like my M&P, I just accept it's limitations.............................I don't hate anything..........

 

[TxPhantom]

MP's are great!

Love my MP's!!! I've got a full sized 40 cal. & a 9mm compact. Very accurate, great ergonomics, interchangable grip sizes, easy to break down and reassemble, kinda pretty, and all that with a great, no B.S. warranty by a American company.
I've dry fired mine many, many times with no problem. This pistol has caught on fast because it is a winner that can compete with any stock auto-loader. It was made available to the public in Dec. of 2005 and has gathered a large fan base in that short time. I bought my 40 cal. in July of 2006 and have about 4000 rounds through it with no failures of any kind. The finish looks as good as the day I bought it. I think i'll be keeping mine and I'll be buying another one someday soon.

 

[357WheelGun]

Boy's, have I ever said visit S&W's website? If you actually own their firearms, just dial that 1-800-#............

So, you're saying that S&W would intentionally put incorrect information on their website, reserving correct information only for people who call them on the phone? It may just be me, but that strikes me as a very odd business practice.

 

[MarcusWendt]

It may just be me, but that strikes me as a very odd business practice.

Maybe it only applies to Glock owners?

 

[Chris Rhines]

Denali, my friend, you should work on your math skills.

50,000 dryfires / 365 days in a year = 137 dryfires per day. The actual number is probably closer to 250-300 dryfires per day, but I was trying to be conservative. I practice dryfire for an hour or more, every evening.

Also, I've owned both my M&Ps for well over one year (18 and 14 months, give or take.)

Awaiting your apology...

- Chris

 

[MarcusWendt]

It's almost painful to watch.

Do you compete Chris? I'm noticing more and more M&P's showing up in USPSA.

 

[Johnny Guest]

Tsk tsk tsk.

Hey! We're all supposed to be adults here. There's no need to bicker over such schtuph. It is indeed unfortunate that there can't be a difference of opinion without individuals getting their panties in a twist over it.

People, IT'S ALL OPINION. Until you can show a scan of a letter or manual from S&W, with the date on it, y'all are just telling what YOU think. No definitive answers.

So, state YOUR OPINION, your personal observations, let the other members state theirs, and get over it.

To those who have done just that, furnished succinct observations and left it at that, Thank You.

This topic has been pretty well worked over and is beginning to veer.

CLOSED

Johnny