Smith & Wesson M & P
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shooter1103
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I am looking to buy a P&M 40 cal S&W, has
S&W finally taken care of the mag drops issue and problems with the magazines in general.
After owning Glocks, I am looking to replace a Glock 27 which I just don't like for size and other reasons too long to get in to here.
I wasn't even looking at a S&W gun until I salesman put one in my hand at a local gun shop and said there was a 50.00 coupon and free mags to be had. Of course that helps to want to buy one, but I really, really, like how it felt in my hand. I never really liked how the Glocks feel in my large hands and I really don't shoot them as in the Glock 23 or 27 very well.
It is now the year 2008, has S&W got most of the bugs worked out?? I really would like to buy one of the pistols and get the magazine safety removed or disabled and have the trigger worked a little smoother as I have heard that was the other issue in the first ones made.
Teach me and tell me what you know brothers so I can make an informed decision. Please email me if you don't feel comfortable posting here. Thank you in advance
S&W finally taken care of the mag drops issue and problems with the magazines in general.
After owning Glocks, I am looking to replace a Glock 27 which I just don't like for size and other reasons too long to get in to here.
I wasn't even looking at a S&W gun until I salesman put one in my hand at a local gun shop and said there was a 50.00 coupon and free mags to be had. Of course that helps to want to buy one, but I really, really, like how it felt in my hand. I never really liked how the Glocks feel in my large hands and I really don't shoot them as in the Glock 23 or 27 very well.
It is now the year 2008, has S&W got most of the bugs worked out?? I really would like to buy one of the pistols and get the magazine safety removed or disabled and have the trigger worked a little smoother as I have heard that was the other issue in the first ones made.
Teach me and tell me what you know brothers so I can make an informed decision. Please email me if you don't feel comfortable posting here. Thank you in advance
MikePGS
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Hey shooter, welcome to THR. I too recently held one of these (a full-size though) and was quite pleased with the way it fit my hand. It seems that most if not all bugs are worked out at this point, though recently i heard about compacts having problems with the magazines (that might actually be an issue that's been resolved at this point though). Do yourself a favor and search for Coronach's thread on his M&P 40 (It's in his signature line). He makes a really compelling case for this particular model.
Feud
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I've had an M&P for about a year now, and I've put close to 1,000 through it. Granted, that's pretty low, but I've never had a single problem of any kind, and liked it so much I bought my dad an identical model for Father's Day.
MikePGS
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Here's the link to the thread I was talking about http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=281099
His particular model is chambered in .40, but I imagine it would translate to a 9 as well.
His particular model is chambered in .40, but I imagine it would translate to a 9 as well.
FieroCDSP
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I've had my FS M&P40 for 16months. More than 2K rounds. Eats anything except too-long flat-point reloads (that's my own mistakes not the gun's). It's a gun I recommend people look at if they're in the market. The FS 40cal is said to have the lowest felt recoil of most 40's on the market.
The mag-drops have been adressed with a revised mag-release button, that incorporates a longer catch on it, with better treated metal. I haven't heard of any rusting on recent production guns. And so long as you use snap caps to dry-fire and don't "glock" style strip it (pull trigger to release sear on take-down) You shouldn't break any strikers.
Smith's warranty is top notch. Seriously, find one to rent and shoot it already. You'll love it.
The mag-drops have been adressed with a revised mag-release button, that incorporates a longer catch on it, with better treated metal. I haven't heard of any rusting on recent production guns. And so long as you use snap caps to dry-fire and don't "glock" style strip it (pull trigger to release sear on take-down) You shouldn't break any strikers.
Smith's warranty is top notch. Seriously, find one to rent and shoot it already. You'll love it.
simpleguy
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Nice gun, I own it, I love it, it's full sized and a dream to shoot. Due to the ergonomics recoil seems virtually zero. Do it, get it, you'll not be sorry.
I own one.
Trigger was gritty first few hundred rounds. After that grittiness was lost, mine still seemed to have an excessively heavy trigger pull and a lot of slack in the pull--granted this is the case for most leo type pistols. But I have shot glocks before, and own an XD also, and the pull still seemed excessively heavy to me.
After performing my amateur gunsmithing to it, I managed to get a lot of slack out and a noticeably lighter trigger pull. There are very good directions on how to diy if you wish (if I could do it, you can to, trust me), or you can send it in to have it done professionally if you wish here: http://www.burwellgunsmithing.com/M&Ptriggerjob1.htm
After working w/ the trigger, I (think I will) like the gun a lot. I say think b/c I haven't actually shot it since messing w/ it, only w/ snap caps. But everything else you hear bout ergonomics, low recoil, etc. are true. It is a nice gun. I just had (possibly personal) issues w/ the trigger
Trigger was gritty first few hundred rounds. After that grittiness was lost, mine still seemed to have an excessively heavy trigger pull and a lot of slack in the pull--granted this is the case for most leo type pistols. But I have shot glocks before, and own an XD also, and the pull still seemed excessively heavy to me.
After performing my amateur gunsmithing to it, I managed to get a lot of slack out and a noticeably lighter trigger pull. There are very good directions on how to diy if you wish (if I could do it, you can to, trust me), or you can send it in to have it done professionally if you wish here: http://www.burwellgunsmithing.com/M&Ptriggerjob1.htm
After working w/ the trigger, I (think I will) like the gun a lot. I say think b/c I haven't actually shot it since messing w/ it, only w/ snap caps. But everything else you hear bout ergonomics, low recoil, etc. are true. It is a nice gun. I just had (possibly personal) issues w/ the trigger
357WheelGun
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I took delivery of my M&P .40 just this past Saturday. Stripped it, cleaned it, lubed the slide and barrel, then put 150 rounds through it with zero faults that evening. Put another 50 rounds through it on Monday without issue as well. So far I would trust it completely and I am enjoying shooting it.
One of my buddies has an M&P Compact in 9mm and loves it for a carry weapon.
Overall, it seems like a very well-made weapon and it's a little more accurate every time I shoot it. I'm clearly limiting the M&P and not the other way around.
One of my buddies has an M&P Compact in 9mm and loves it for a carry weapon.
Overall, it seems like a very well-made weapon and it's a little more accurate every time I shoot it. I'm clearly limiting the M&P and not the other way around.
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marksman13
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This one got ressurected on me. It's funny. I never did buy the M&P. Went into the candy store with every intention of buying one and ended up getting a Glock 22 instead. Quickly traded the Glock for a CZ 75B 9mm, and never looked back. I don't see any need now for a .40 S&W, but I will eventually pick up a M&P.
DENALI
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Just bought an M&P9c and feel quite safe in pointing out that if mine is representative of the series, Glock has nothing to worry about.
M&P requires two takedown levers, M&P cannot be dry-fired without damage to the striker mechanism, M&P cannot handle high pressure ammo without voiding warranty, M&P melonite finish contrary to popular belief is not tenifer by another name, it's not nearly as tough as the Glock proprietary, and in fact may actually have weakened the stainless alloy's ability to withstand corrosion. My NIB M&P has what looks suspiciously like rust inside the barrel.
Not trying to flame anybody, as stated I just BOUGHT one for myself and came to these unavoidable conclusions after close personal inspection and two calls to 2100 Roosevelt Ave. I'll offer more info as it becomes available....
M&P requires two takedown levers, M&P cannot be dry-fired without damage to the striker mechanism, M&P cannot handle high pressure ammo without voiding warranty, M&P melonite finish contrary to popular belief is not tenifer by another name, it's not nearly as tough as the Glock proprietary, and in fact may actually have weakened the stainless alloy's ability to withstand corrosion. My NIB M&P has what looks suspiciously like rust inside the barrel.Not trying to flame anybody, as stated I just BOUGHT one for myself and came to these unavoidable conclusions after close personal inspection and two calls to 2100 Roosevelt Ave. I'll offer more info as it becomes available....
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SlipperyShooter
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M&P 9mm
Just picked one up and love it. See if you can find a dealer who still has last years "deal" (started in Jan 2007) which consists of a case, Blade-Tech holster, double-mag pouch and three magazines. THEN use this years "deal" - the $50 mail-in and 2 magazine rebate (for a total of 5 magazines) - and you have just about the best deal going on a great gun.
Just picked one up and love it. See if you can find a dealer who still has last years "deal" (started in Jan 2007) which consists of a case, Blade-Tech holster, double-mag pouch and three magazines. THEN use this years "deal" - the $50 mail-in and 2 magazine rebate (for a total of 5 magazines) - and you have just about the best deal going on a great gun.
DENALI
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:banghead: After reading all the other posts and actually buying one of the M&P's(9c) I'm curious that anyone would label it superior to the Glock in any caliber.
Way back when, about 1996 I finally broke down and bought my first Glock pistol, believe me, it was not an overnight decision as I thought they transcended ugly, being a cross between star trek and star wars in appearence. I grew up on S&W wheel guns and 1911's, my most radical departure from the norm being the purchase of a Ruger security six. All though had common ground, that being wood and steel. I mention this only to add emphasis to how Glock won me over. They did it the old fashioned way, they built a superior pistol and let it virtually sell itself. I'm no Glock "fanatic", I just like not having to fuss over the little things, corrosion, weight, breakage of small parts, taking it apart for cleaning, ect..ect..
I always keep my mind open to the very real possibility of someone else doing it right and earning the right to lay claim to my money. Alas the S&W M&P isn't gonna be the one to do it. The pistol requires two takedown levers to the Glock's one. The M&P's striker is fragile and you cannot dry-fire it without a snapcap, the Glock striker is virtually indestructible. My G-17 has over 13,000 rounds of Winchester +P+ ammo through it, use it in the M&P and you void the warranty.
Recently, right here on THR I posted a thread about the claimed relationship between tenifer and melonite, you know that there the same and produced by the same company even. I asked for input from all those who've slammed anything Glock, from those with greater expertise than myself in the art of metallurgy, those who claim the melonite coated S&W's superior or equal to anything bathed in tenifer ect.. I recieved not one response, not one!
I've researched the topic of melonite and tenifer and have come to the conclusion you can't expose stainless alloys to the process that Glock does to their slides and barrels and maintain their ability to resist corrosion.
I like the M&P, it's a neat idea, and a neat looking pistol. I now own one!
It's just not the match of the Austrian pistol, not yet anyway...
Way back when, about 1996 I finally broke down and bought my first Glock pistol, believe me, it was not an overnight decision as I thought they transcended ugly, being a cross between star trek and star wars in appearence. I grew up on S&W wheel guns and 1911's, my most radical departure from the norm being the purchase of a Ruger security six. All though had common ground, that being wood and steel. I mention this only to add emphasis to how Glock won me over. They did it the old fashioned way, they built a superior pistol and let it virtually sell itself. I'm no Glock "fanatic", I just like not having to fuss over the little things, corrosion, weight, breakage of small parts, taking it apart for cleaning, ect..ect..
I always keep my mind open to the very real possibility of someone else doing it right and earning the right to lay claim to my money. Alas the S&W M&P isn't gonna be the one to do it. The pistol requires two takedown levers to the Glock's one. The M&P's striker is fragile and you cannot dry-fire it without a snapcap, the Glock striker is virtually indestructible. My G-17 has over 13,000 rounds of Winchester +P+ ammo through it, use it in the M&P and you void the warranty.
Recently, right here on THR I posted a thread about the claimed relationship between tenifer and melonite, you know that there the same and produced by the same company even. I asked for input from all those who've slammed anything Glock, from those with greater expertise than myself in the art of metallurgy, those who claim the melonite coated S&W's superior or equal to anything bathed in tenifer ect.. I recieved not one response, not one!
I've researched the topic of melonite and tenifer and have come to the conclusion you can't expose stainless alloys to the process that Glock does to their slides and barrels and maintain their ability to resist corrosion.
I like the M&P, it's a neat idea, and a neat looking pistol. I now own one!
It's just not the match of the Austrian pistol, not yet anyway...
357WheelGun
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You can take the M&P down with one lever by pulling the trigger just like the Glock. I do it every time.
S&W's website clearly states that it is safe to dry-fire any of their current pistols and I've seen no problems from dry-firing my M&P. Early failures were design flaws and the striker has since been re-designed (switchover was around Jan/Feb of '07). S&W replaced the early strikers with the re-designed version under warranty if they broke.
Straight from S&W: "Finally, your M&P was designed to handle quality 9mm +p+ ammunition such as that made by the "Big Three" ammo manufacturers (ATK, Remington, and Winchester). However, because there is no formal specification for +p+ ammunition, S&W cannot make a blanket recommendation in favor of it in their guns."
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shooter1103
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PGS have you or anyone else other than the Glock lover, had any issues with the finish of the S&W MP 40's. I have only read the one here, but he seems to really love Glocks which is cool and what makes America great...we all can choose what we like.
I have two and will sell one or both as I am not impressed with either and nor how they feel in my hand to shoot.
Really like the feel of the S&W and was not even looking at that model or brand as a replacement until I handled one. Can buy the model with night sights for 559.00 from local gun shop and get 50.00 back plus two addtional magazines, so really looking hard at it after I sell my hated Glock 27. I would appreciate any and all feedback. Thanks in advance.
I have two and will sell one or both as I am not impressed with either and nor how they feel in my hand to shoot.
Really like the feel of the S&W and was not even looking at that model or brand as a replacement until I handled one. Can buy the model with night sights for 559.00 from local gun shop and get 50.00 back plus two addtional magazines, so really looking hard at it after I sell my hated Glock 27. I would appreciate any and all feedback. Thanks in advance.
DENALI
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Why Mr 357, sure of that are you? Not that you'll wake up in time to stop yourself from further damaging your pistol, I'd suggest you contact S&W for real and have things explained to your satisfaction.
Now shooter, as to reducing me to the level of the "Glock lover" on only your second post, I'll invite you to address me by my proper name or don't do it at all! I'm more than sure that name calling is not COOL by THR's standards......
Now shooter, as to reducing me to the level of the "Glock lover" on only your second post, I'll invite you to address me by my proper name or don't do it at all! I'm more than sure that name calling is not COOL by THR's standards......
newkahrman
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I had a s&w m&p9. It was awesome. I wish i could have kept it but i needed a carry gun and just had a hard time concealing the full size model. The recoil was tame, I had no malfunctions in about 600 rounds, and accuracy was top notch. I sold it and got a kahr cw9. I love the kahr. It conceals well, shoots straight, and for a small gun recoil is not bad at all. For me it depends on what you want it for. I need a slim gun for everyday carry. If i was going to be using a shoulder rig, I would probably go with a m&p over glock, maybe even xd.
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marksman13
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Denali, I don't know that being called a Glock Lover is all that disrepectful. You obviously like them. No need to get bent out of shape over someone you don't know poking a little good natured fun at you. We're all adults here aren't we? I don't really think he meant anything by it. There are worse things to be called and I think those are the kinds of names the Mods had in mind. Of course you have the right to be offended by whatever you choose offensive. Life is much easier though if you learn to let somethings roll off your feathers.
Not picking on you, but post count hasn't got anything at all to do with maturity or knowledge around here.
Not picking on you, but post count hasn't got anything at all to do with maturity or knowledge around here.
DENALI
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Hey marksman13, don't tell me how to take it, I took it just as it was meant.
I really only find your attempt to insert yourself and your interpretation of someone elses commentary aimed at me, offensive!
I really only find your attempt to insert yourself and your interpretation of someone elses commentary aimed at me, offensive!
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marksman13
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No need to be so defensive. It doesn't look very flattering on you. And if you will read carefully, I never told you how to take it. Merely made a suggestion that things would go more smoothly if you didn't sweat the small things.
DENALI
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It's become apparent that useful and knowledgeable experience regarding the M&P that dosen't conform to the preconcieved beliefs on this thread aren't wanted, and of course that means nothing's to be gained by hanging around.............................................................
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marksman13
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DENALI, I never said anything about the quality of your information. I was very thankful for it actually. I never said it wasn't credible. I never said you were making anything up. I am sure you have no reason to lie. I only suggested that you MAY have over reacted to a harmless comment. There was absolutely no ill intent whatsoever. Please don't take it that way.
SlipperyShooter
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A factual response.
Wow, this has turned ugly.
I wouldn't say that the M&P is superior to the Glock, but I would say that it FITS MY HAND, whereas the Glock most certainly did not. I saw it as a very good compromise: almost as "good" as the glock with respect to quality and performance, but comfortable so I would actually want to shoot it.
+P and +P+: Pulled out my manual for my M&P 9mm last night and it says that "+p Ammo should not be used in S&W revolvers made before 1958." Talk about reusing material for their manuals..........gheez. So that would tell me that +P is "ok" in all other firearms (including my M&P). They did say that they don't recommend +P+ because of no standards and increased wear, but there was no "warning" about it.
Dry Firing: absolutely no problem with dry firing, or firing without the magazine (now that might be because I don't have a magazine disconnect feature).
Take down: I don't use the sear deactivation lever. I disassemble almost exactly like a glock (flip, pull the trigger, and slide).
Is it a Glock? No. Is it a great firearm? Yep.
Wow, this has turned ugly.
I wouldn't say that the M&P is superior to the Glock, but I would say that it FITS MY HAND, whereas the Glock most certainly did not. I saw it as a very good compromise: almost as "good" as the glock with respect to quality and performance, but comfortable so I would actually want to shoot it.
+P and +P+: Pulled out my manual for my M&P 9mm last night and it says that "+p Ammo should not be used in S&W revolvers made before 1958." Talk about reusing material for their manuals..........gheez. So that would tell me that +P is "ok" in all other firearms (including my M&P). They did say that they don't recommend +P+ because of no standards and increased wear, but there was no "warning" about it.
Dry Firing: absolutely no problem with dry firing, or firing without the magazine (now that might be because I don't have a magazine disconnect feature).
Take down: I don't use the sear deactivation lever. I disassemble almost exactly like a glock (flip, pull the trigger, and slide).
Is it a Glock? No. Is it a great firearm? Yep.
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Chris Rhines
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I have dry-fired my two M&P 9mm pistols over 100,000 times between them. Still on the factory original strikers.
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