A Word to the Wise:
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Hangingrock
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So we have supply and demand. A weather event forecasted all the bread, milk, and water disappears from the shelves in grocery stores. Or we have an increase in population in our area of residence the grocery stores adjust to the increased business there is bread, milk, and water on the shelves then a weather event is forecast. You guessed it, the shelfs empty again due to panic buying.
The same shortages apply to other consumable commodities when there is an unusual spike in consumer demand.
So now we have one singular rain drop/snow flake impacts mother earth. Thus it’s going to be the end of civilization and the herd stampedes.
The same shortages apply to other consumable commodities when there is an unusual spike in consumer demand.
So now we have one singular rain drop/snow flake impacts mother earth. Thus it’s going to be the end of civilization and the herd stampedes.
GBExpat
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I have the Hoarder Gene ... been doing this all of my life.
If someone tries to wound me by using a term like "hoarder" in a perjorative fashion, I simply laugh in their face.
Jlr2267
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Fear is a perfectly normal human reaction. The question is if the fear is irrational. When we have a politician openly making statements such as those being heard now, IMO, the fear of further infringement is very reasonable
If I am not mistaken, he certainly tried, and did all he could do without a willing congress. He ask congress for legislation, repeatedly, that would ban "assault" weapons. He pushed for UBC. He praised the "Australian Model." He further restricted importation of certain firearms and ammo.
Given his record, do you not think it reasonable to "fear" that he might do more if empowered? Do you think it not reasonable to fear what HRC might do if she gets a willing congress? Do you think there will be a 2A "litmus test" for her supreme court appointments?
This may be true (although somewhat unrelated to the topic of Federal legislation), but we live in a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy...our form of government was designed to restrict the majority from voting away the rights of the minority.
justice06rr
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Its no so much hoarding thats the issue for some, its that some people buy supplies/ammo and not leave any for others who also want to stock up.
I don't have a problem if someone buys a box or 2 of ammo every few days. But if someone buys the entire stock of 9mm or 22lr that is on the shelf, that is an issue.
I don't have a problem if someone buys a box or 2 of ammo every few days. But if someone buys the entire stock of 9mm or 22lr that is on the shelf, that is an issue.
HoosierQ
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I am doing some sensible preparation. Ammo still goes on sale and is quite available. I buy what's on sale if I can use it.
Magazines: There's going to be quite a kerfuffle about magazines. I am buying a few standard capacity mags (of these I have many) and I am buying a complete set of 10-round magazine. Should that capacity become a requirement (or even if it is rumored to be), there will be a shortage as those are not so common. Once cannot have too many mags, regardless of capacity IMHO so it seems a sensible thing.
Other than that, what happens happens.
Magazines: There's going to be quite a kerfuffle about magazines. I am buying a few standard capacity mags (of these I have many) and I am buying a complete set of 10-round magazine. Should that capacity become a requirement (or even if it is rumored to be), there will be a shortage as those are not so common. Once cannot have too many mags, regardless of capacity IMHO so it seems a sensible thing.
Other than that, what happens happens.
justice06rr
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I think of 'hoarding' from the TV show Hoarders. Having more than you need, even going beyond your budget, or buying 22lr ammo to keep for yourself and resell is a different story.
Stockpiling on the other hand, is just smart thinking.
Stockpiling on the other hand, is just smart thinking.
bannockburn
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Carl N. Brown
Well put sir! Pretty much sums it up quite nicely.
For myself I am a stockpiler and have been for many years. Typically I have bought small amounts of ammo at various times and almost always when it has been on sale.
Well put sir! Pretty much sums it up quite nicely.
For myself I am a stockpiler and have been for many years. Typically I have bought small amounts of ammo at various times and almost always when it has been on sale.
Vern Humphrey
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Why?
What business is it of mine how much ammo YOU buy?
Schwing
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I think some items are going to become increasingly difficult to get regardless of any possible future gun legislation. Lead is one item I have started hoarding. They can go after lead through things that seem more innocent like EPA restrictions etc. Even if they don't, prices seem to keep on ticking up.
While seeing people trying to gouge for stuff like .22 ammo bugs me, I don't get the anger. If there is a gouger in your berg that shows up at Walmart every morning at 5:00am to clean them out, just show up 10 minutes earlier. If you don't want to put forth the effort then I don't see how complaining about it fixes anything. Not buying from them fixes the problem too.
I would classify myself as a hoarder/stockpiler. I keep enough supplies for 3-4 years worth of everything I reload. I also keep about 8k-10k .22 rounds in my stockpile. It sounds like a lot until you hit the range a few times
While seeing people trying to gouge for stuff like .22 ammo bugs me, I don't get the anger. If there is a gouger in your berg that shows up at Walmart every morning at 5:00am to clean them out, just show up 10 minutes earlier. If you don't want to put forth the effort then I don't see how complaining about it fixes anything. Not buying from them fixes the problem too.
I would classify myself as a hoarder/stockpiler. I keep enough supplies for 3-4 years worth of everything I reload. I also keep about 8k-10k .22 rounds in my stockpile. It sounds like a lot until you hit the range a few times
alsaqr
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Yep, fear of infringement is even more "reasonable" to those who don't
fully understand how the US government functions. The "Obama will take our guns" trash spread by gun rights organizations, gun show promoters, gun shop owners and ammunition peddlers is aimed at increasing their bottom line.
i attend a lot of estate auctions. Here in OK i've seen well worn firearms sell at prices well above those of a new gun of the same model. Bubba is willing to pay a premium for an "unregistered gun".
To this day no guns were taken by Obama. The position of POTUS is not yet that of your average Mickey Mouse dictator in the mold of Hitler or Stalin.
Vern Humphrey
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Just the man I'm looking for. I have a bridge in Massachusetts you might want to buy.
buck460XVR
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Not trying to urinate in your Cheerios, but I believe you are preaching to the choir. Hard for me to believe any regular member here, especially those you thought were calling you "Hoarder", "Greedy" supposedly during the last panic, did not learn their lesson already. If they didn't, telling them now ain't gonna help. Add to that the fact that ammo and gun manufacturers have have upped their production and wholesalers have increased their inventories to compensate for the previous shortages. I doubt very much we will see the shortages we saw the last time the sky was supposed to fall, since the sky really never fell. In reality, the shortages were not produced by Obama or liberals, but by people just like you that thought they too could tell the future. Gun owners that fell prey to false fear spread by their fellow gun owners. They ran to the LGS and bought all they could cause someone told them "Buy now before it's gone forever!" They paid $.20 a round for .22 ammo because they were told the government was buying up all there was and instruction ammo makers not to make anymore. I wonder how many of those folks still have those boxes of 100 they paid $19.95 for? Probably a lot more than care to admit. Probably about the same amount that paid $300-$500 over MSRP for that AR eight years ago because supposedly Obama was gonna ban 'em all! I know folks that bought two at that overprice thinking they were gonna make big money by selling one of them. We all know how well that worked out. All of that and then some, was caused by false fear, created by folks that thought they knew the future, when in reality, they didn't know squat.
Nope, I don't believe folks here need to be told to be prepared and stock up. They been told to stock up and have been doing so for 8 years, as much as they can afford. Three pages of thread and not one person saying, "OMG, I better run out and buy!", tells me most folks here are already on board with the "be prepared". Now maybe a few newbies to the sport, that don't belong to a gun forum might get caught with their pants down, but they'd have to have had their head pretty deep in the sand not to know what to expect from the panic buying if Hilary gets elected.
benEzra
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Actually, the recent Massachusetts decree by the Attorney General allows existing owners to keep what they already own. It's only those who didn't hedge against the possibility of a new ban that are now SOL.
She introduced this ban literally in the dead of night, effective the next day, while the legislature wasn't in session, specifically to prevent people from getting wind of it and going out to buy that gun they always wanted. Only the guns already in local dealer inventory were allowed to be sold on the day of the decree.
Huh? How much extra room does an extensive gun collection take up in a moving truck when you move out of state?
Again, the Massachusetts royal decree only banned the purchase of new guns, not the possession of existing ones.
Red Wind
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buck460XVR said:
Good post. Great sig line!
larryh1108
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Still no discussion of what would happen if HC attacked the ammo instead of the guns. Can she pass a 10¢ a round tax on ammo to pay for victims of gun violence or for studies into the true cost of crimes involving guns, etc? Does she need congress to pass any tax on a specific item? There will be no ammo shortage if a 10¢ a round tax is imposed without notice, in the middle of the night. A brick of 500ct .22LR ammo will cost $50 more from such a tax. That $10 box of 50 9mm ammo will now cost $15, etc. There won't be an ammo shortage, it just won't sell due to the price. Why is everyone ignoring this and talking about gun bans and ammo shortages. We've been down that path and they didn't get it done. The next attack will be at the ammo. They have nothing to lose if they get into office. Obamacare was passed as a tax, wasn't it?
JTHunter
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As the only outdoor public range within reasonable distance is WAY out of my price range, I don't get much chance to shoot. This does reduce my ammo usage to minimal levels.
Both .22LR and Mag are still scarce as hen's teeth in this area of Illinois just east of St. Louis. About 15 months ago, Gander Mt. opened a new store with a LOT of .22LR and I was able to get a couple of thousand rounds over the course of the week. About a month later, the nearby Wal-fart had .22LR ammo, for the first time I had seen in about 2 years, and at a slightly better price than GM.
Now, I'm working up .38 Special/.357 Magnum reloads for 3 guns my family own. The biggest problems are getting brass, bullets, and powder (in that order). Primers haven't been the limiting factor.
Oh well.
Both .22LR and Mag are still scarce as hen's teeth in this area of Illinois just east of St. Louis. About 15 months ago, Gander Mt. opened a new store with a LOT of .22LR and I was able to get a couple of thousand rounds over the course of the week. About a month later, the nearby Wal-fart had .22LR ammo, for the first time I had seen in about 2 years, and at a slightly better price than GM.
Now, I'm working up .38 Special/.357 Magnum reloads for 3 guns my family own. The biggest problems are getting brass, bullets, and powder (in that order). Primers haven't been the limiting factor.
Oh well.
Ignition Override
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Which word--stockpiling or hoarding--describes people who have bought cases of ammo, where most of it is for planned retirement in March '17?
Now with a Saiga .223 and first AR clone (S&W .223) I told my wife "Here's the deal, am gonna buy two cases of .223 between now and Hillary's winning the election". Her only question was the price per case.
Don't worry, next to the Kremlin in 1962, both the Clinton Global Initiative and the Hillary White House will be the most transparent administrations ever 'seen'. There won't Be any last-minute Exec. Orders regarding ammo, will there?
larryh1108:
As Hillary's model, didn't CA recently add a stiff tax to ammo?
Now with a Saiga .223 and first AR clone (S&W .223) I told my wife "Here's the deal, am gonna buy two cases of .223 between now and Hillary's winning the election". Her only question was the price per case.
Don't worry, next to the Kremlin in 1962, both the Clinton Global Initiative and the Hillary White House will be the most transparent administrations ever 'seen'. There won't Be any last-minute Exec. Orders regarding ammo, will there?
larryh1108:
As Hillary's model, didn't CA recently add a stiff tax to ammo?
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Jlr2267
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I disagree. I believe that those who trust our government not to overstep its authority when led by a President who wishes to do so, are...well, not only naive but blind to history....in other words, those who don't understand how our government works tend to be less fearful of it, and more trusting.
Certainly not due to a lack of effort on his part. Luckily, he was rather incompetent at getting legislation through congress.
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Reloadron
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This evening Cabela's is opening a new store in Avon Lake, Ohio. They do a pre grand opening for club members. Since we have an invite and it's only a 35 min ride my wife and I will be there. I'll snag more powder and primers and check out the gun library as well as grab our limits of .22 LR. Have to see what they have brought in for the gun library. When they opened the Columbus, Ohio store they brought in inventory from all over the country and the sale prices were pretty good. The last shortages never bothered me as I remember the 90s. I simply stay well stocked and prepared.
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Kingcreek
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For over 30 years I've maintained a comfortable supply and surplus and continued to shoot as much as I desired. I have ignored the cycles of shortages and increased demand (aka panic!) and only restocked when I found bargains.
justice06rr
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Vern said:
None.
But if a person buys all the boxes of 22lr or 9mm that gets supplied in a lgs and leaves none for other shooters, that is not considerate IMO.
Buy all you want, I don't care. I care for the shooting community in general.
Vern Humphrey
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The best thing for the shooting community in general is for each person to make his own decisions.
There are other sources of ammo
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