AAC "Honey Badger" .300 BLK PDW

[CmdrSlander]

I just saw this:

Its AAC's new PDW being developed with help from Remington. They want to compete with MP5SD and MP7 whilst offering an operator the enhanced range and power of .300 BLK and the ability to remove the suppressor and load supersonic for longer range engagements on demand. It uses a modified AR upper, and the lower of your choice. The stock is a new design and is fully adjustable (the buffer tube is nonstandard, of course)

I love this thing. What do you guys think?

 

[LiquidTension]

This was posted in the NFA section back on 10/17. The general opinion is that it is super cool

 

[P.B.Walsh]

Well, I am generally not a huge fan of magazine fed rifles (dont like having to keep up with a magazine), but that rifle looks very nice!

 

[W.E.G.]

If you've got $400 for the ATF, and you don't begging for written permission every time you cross state lines with it, and you have a wheelbarrow full of cash, I'd say you're good to go.

I'll probably stick with my crusty old AK-47, 'cause whatever gets shot with that spendy new thing won't be able to tell the difference between the two.

 

[openminded]

Two Questions

I love AR-15s, and have entered into the service where I will be trained on the M-16. I have two questions about the Honey Badger:

1. Is it a good gun for women to use? The suppression and the size lead me to assume yes?

2. It requires a trust and a tax stamp. My boyfriend has a trust. Since we already have the template from him, can I use that one without having to hire a lawyer?

 

[RhinoDefense]

Operator? Like you dial 0 and someone answers?

 

[kozak6]

It's interesting that the finish is so uneven and that it's a little bit scraped up.

 

[68wj]

It's interesting that the finish is so uneven and that it's a little bit scraped up.

Test gun instead of safe queen. Unless someone threw it down their driveway to make it look that way.

 

[Madcap_Magician]

1. Is it a good gun for women to use? The suppression and the size lead me to assume yes?

I can't address the NFA questions, but the AR-15 platform is easy for anybody to use. Virtually no recoil, the carbine stocks are adjustable for length of pull for smaller people, and they're easy to learn how to use (They have to be, there's a lot of stupid privates out there).

 

[Justin]

I'll probably stick with my crusty old AK-47, 'cause whatever gets shot with that spendy new thing won't be able to tell the difference between the two.

Completely different applications. The Honey Badger is more about the end user experience, and is designed to be a very useful CQB-type gun that can be used without blowing your eardrums out, hence the chambering in .300 Blackout and the integral suppressor.

On the receiving end, this gun probably doesn't differ much from most other guns.

 

[USSR]

I'll probably stick with my crusty old AK-47...

And I'll just stick to my crusty old M1A1.

Don

 

[Andrew Wyatt]

I'll just stick with my crusty old brown bess.

 

[MachIVshooter]

1. Is it a good gun for women to use? The suppression and the size lead me to assume yes?

With the exception of some very heavy recoiling guns, I am of the opinion that firearms are unisex. To elaborate on what I mean about those shoulder busters is simply that the greater upper body mass of an average male versus an average female equates a lower likelihood of injury from recoil. Everyone has their own limits, of course. My sister, at 5'7" 135 lbs, owns and shoots a .300 Ultra Mag.

My boyfriend has a trust. Since we already have the template from him, can I use that one without having to hire a lawyer?

If it is that kind of trust. There are infinite variations, though. You don't really need an attorney to set up a simple trust if you don't mind doing some reading.

 

[Fishbed77]

Operator? Like you dial 0 and someone answers?

HAHAHAH!

I love it!

I always roll my eyes when I hear or read the word "operator." It's not a switchboard or a piece of heavy machinery. It's a friggen gun.

 

[JustinJ]

Well, I am generally not a huge fan of magazine fed rifles (dont like having to keep up with a magazine), but that rifle looks very nice!

But loose rounds are are easy to keep track of?

 

[Girodin]

Completely different applications. The Honey Badger is more about the end user experience, and is designed to be a very useful CQB-type gun that can be used without blowing your eardrums out, hence the chambering in .300 Blackout and the integral suppressor.

On the receiving end, this gun probably doesn't differ much from most other guns.

Exactly. I own and enjoy shooting AKMs. Ballistically one can do with a x39 what can be done with the 300 BLK. If you can't see that weapon above is built to offer certain capabilities and advantages that an underfolder AK wont you aren't looking. Even a purpose built SBR AK is going to take a back seat in a number of respects.

Having put in a bit of trigger time with the MP5 I'd love to get my hands on the pictured gun. I prefer the controls of an AR platform weapon already. Add to that a round that out performs 9mm (and by a huge margin in supersonic loads) and on paper it looks real good.

 

[Strykervet]

I like it. I'm building a .300BLK when I get the barrel, but I can't build an SBR. I will have the suppressor though, an AAC SDN6.

These kinds of weapons are nothing new though, but I bet this one is a lot quieter and better suited to some special applications.

As for a round that has distance capability out of a short barrel... I don't think the .300 is gonna be it. It isn't going fast enough with a high enough BC to fare as well at range as say a 6.5 Grendel would. But the Grendel can't fire subsonic (at least nobody has gotten one to cycle subs that I know of, and certainly not one that does subs and supers). AAC claims the .300BLK and the SDN6 suppressor are quieter than an MP5SD, and it can fire subs or supers through that suppressor, it is made for a .308.

The one in the picture looks shorter though, but it is probably real similar (if not the same).

Also, the suppressor mounts they use, the Blackout flash suppressor? You obviously can't see it in the picture, but it is there. I have three of them and one of the Brakeouts, got them to use one or two suppressors on four rifles. The Blackout flash suppressors kill ALL of the flash --like there is none, from a .308 and 6.5Grendel. The Brakeout, it leaks a little flash, but very little, and it kills almost all the recoil in an M4. AAC makes some pretty impressive stuff.

Their customer service is top notch too. They sent me a wrong Blackout flash hider/mount, called, they kicked another one out and told me to keep the wrong one. I had to wait another week, but when I found out the wrong one will be the right one for the .300BLK, well, that made it great.

I bet that rifle will be costly, but it will be sweet. Certainly much better than an overpriced 9mm.

 

[rsilvers]

Its AAC's new PDW being developed with help from Remington.

AAC made the gun. Remington made the ammo.

 

[Prince Yamato]

The AK-47 equivalent would be the integrally suppressed AK by Red Jacket. That runs about $2500. The selling point with .300 blackout is that you have .308 hitting power with a hearing safe bullet.

 

[MachIVshooter]

AAC made the gun. Remington made the ammo.

So you don't believe an R25 (LR308) is the heart of this machine?

 

[P.B.Walsh]

@Justin, I simply do not like the fact of having to buy separate magazines for another rifle. I enjoy the convenience of having everything on the rifle (magazines detach, floorplates do not).

I do however see the light of a dbm, I just prefer the floorplate (with the obvious exception of semi-auto rifles).

 

[Z-Michigan]

So you don't believe an R25 (LR308) is the heart of this machine?

MachIV, rsilvers works for AAC and oversees the 300BLK project, so I have a hunch he knows the origin of this nasty little PDW. And as the owner of a DPMS LR-308, I don't think this looks much like it, except in the most superficial "also an AR pattern" way.

To me the lower looks a lot like, though not quite the same as, a Noveske flared, forged lower* and the upper looks pretty much custom. I'm especially curious about the forend, which looks like a Troy VTAC-Extreme that got shaved, and found some way to overlap the upper receiver.

* http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=2807

 

[ugaarguy]

So you don't believe an R25 (LR308) is the heart of this machine?

Why would you use AR-10 or SR-25 pattern receivers as the basis for a rifle chambered on a .223 case necked up to 30 caliber? What makes you think AAC doesn't have their own manufacturing capability either?

 

[MachIVshooter]

Why would you use AR-10 or SR-25 pattern receivers as the basis for a rifle chambered on a .223 case necked up to 30 caliber? What makes you think AAC doesn't have their own manufacturing capability either?

Because I didn't look that closely. The proportions and the short, straight magazine looked AR-10 pattern.

And I'm not assuming that AAC can't manufacture.

 

[Walkalong]

Way cool. The only thing I don't like about it is that I cannot walk into the gun shop and buy it just like any other rifle. Bummer, cause that thing is awesome.