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If you have a tender heart better get a hanky ready. This is a story of Iwo Jima from a different perspective, wc
Six Boys And Thirteen Hands...
Each year I am hired to go to Washington, DC, with the eighth grade class from Clinton, WI where I grew up, to videotape their trip. I greatly enjoy visiting our nation's capitol, and each year I take some special memories back with me. This fall's trip was especially memorable.
On the last night of our trip, we stopped at the Iwo Jima memorial. This memorial is the largest bronze statue in the world and depicts one of the most famous photographs in history -- that of the six brave soldiers raising the American Flag at the top of a rocky hill on the island of Iwo Jima, Japan, during WW II.
Over one hundred students and chaperones piled off the buses and headed towards the memorial. I noticed a solitary figure at the base of the statue, and as I got closer he asked, 'Where are you guys from?'
I told him that we were from Wisconsin. 'Hey, I'm a cheese head, too! Come gather around, Cheese heads, and I will tell you a story.'
(James Bradley just happened to be in Washington, DC, to speak at the memorial the following day. He was there that night to say good night to his dad, who had passed away. He was just about to leave when he saw the buses pull up. I videotaped him as he spoke to us, and received his permission to share what he said from my videotape. It is one thing to tour the incredible monuments filled with history in Washington, DC, but it is quite another to
get the kind of insight we received that night.)
When all had gathered around, he reverently began to speak. (Here are his words that night.)
'My name is James Bradley and I'm from Antigo, Wisconsin. My dad is on that statue, and I just wrote a book called 'Flags of Our Fathers' which is #5 on the New York Times Best Seller list right now. It is the story of the six boys you see behind me.
'Six boys raised the flag. The first guy putting the pole in the ground is Harlon Block. Harlon was an all-state football player. He enlisted in the Marine Corps with all the senior members of his football team. They were off to play another type of game. A game called 'War.' But it didn't turn out to be a game. Harlon, at the age of 21, died with his intestines in his hands. I don't say that to gross you out, I say that because there are people who stand in front of this statue and talk about the glory of war. You guys need to know that most of the boys in Iwo Jima were 17, 18, and
19 years old - and it was so hard that the ones who did make it home never even would talk to their families about it.
(He pointed to the statue) 'You see this next guy? That's Rene Gagnon from New Hampshire. If you took Rene's helmet off at the moment this photo was taken and looked in the webbing of that helmet, you would find a photograph.... a photograph of his girlfriend. Rene put that in there for protection because he was scared. He was 18 years old. It was just boys who won the battle of Iwo Jima Boys. Not old men.
'The next guy here, the third guy in this tableau, was Sergeant Mike Strank. Mike is my hero. He was the hero of all these guys. They called him the 'old man' because he was so old. He was already 24. When Mike would motivate his boys in training camp, he didn't say, 'Let's go kill some Japanese' or 'Let's die for our country.' He knew he was talking to little boys .. Instead he would say, 'You do what I say, and I'll get you home to your mothers.'
'The last guy on this side of the statue is Ira Hayes, a Pima Indian from Arizona. Ira Hayes was one who walked off Iwo Jima. He went into the White House with my dad. President Truman told him, 'You're a hero.' He told reporters, 'How can I feel like a hero when 250 of my buddies hit the island with me and only 27 of us walked off alive?'
So you take your class at school, 250 of you spending a year together having fun, doing everything together. Then all 250 of you hit the beach, but only 27 of your classmates walk off alive. That was Ira Hayes. He had images of horror in his mind. Ira Hayes carried the pain home with him and eventually died dead drunk, face down at the age of 32 (ten years after this picture was taken).
'The next guy, going around the statue, is Franklin Sousley from Hilltop, Kentucky. A fun-lovin' hillbilly boy. His best friend, who is now 70, told me, 'Yeah, you know, we took two cows up on the porch of the Hilltop General Store. Then we strung wire across the stairs so the cows couldn't get down. Then we fed them Epsom salts. Those cows crapped all night.' Yes, he was a fun-lovin' hillbilly boy. Franklin died on Iwo Jima at the age of 19. When the telegram came to tell his mother that he was dead, it went to the Hilltop General Store. A barefoot boy ran that telegram up to
his mother's farm. The neighbors could hear her scream all night and into the morning. Those neighbors lived a quarter of a mile away.
'The next guy, as we continue to go around the statue, is my dad, John Bradley from Antigo, Wisconsin, where I was raised.. My dad lived until 1994, but he would never give interviews. When Walter Cronkite's producers or the New York Times would call, we were trained as little kids to say 'No, I'm sorry, sir, my dad's not here. He is in Canada fishing. No, there is no phone there, sir. No, we don't know when he is coming back.' My dad never fished or even went to Canada. Usually, he was sitting there right at the table eating his Campbell's soup. But we had to tell the press that
he was out fishing. He didn't want to talk to the press.
'You see, like Ira Hayes, my dad didn't see himself as a hero. Everyone thinks these guys are heroes, 'cause they are in a photo and on a monument. My dad knew better. He was a medic. John Bradley from Wisconsin was a caregiver. In Iwo Jima he probably held over 200 boys as they died. And when boys died in Iwo Jima, they writhed and screamed, without any medication or help with the pain.
'When I was a little boy, my third grade teacher told me that my dad was a hero. When I went home and told my dad that, he looked at me and said, 'I want you always to remember that the heroes of Iwo Jima are the guys who did not come back. Did NOT come back.'
'So that's the story about six nice young boys.. Three died on Iwo Jima, and three came back as national heroes. Overall, 7,000 boys died on Iwo Jima in the worst battle in the history of the Marine Corps. My voice is giving out, so I will end here. Thank you for your time.'
Suddenly, the monument wasn't just a big old piece of metal with a flag sticking out of the top. It came to life before our eyes with the heartfelt words of a son who did indeed have a father who was a hero. Maybe not a hero for the reasons most people would believe, but a hero nonetheless.
We need to remember that God created this vast and glorious world for us to live in, freely, but also at great sacrifice.
Let us never forget from the Revolutionary War to the current War on Terrorism and all the wars in-between that sacrifice was made for our freedom.
Remember to pray praises for this great country of ours and also pray for those still in murderous unrest around the world.
STOP and thank God for being alive and being free at someone else's sacrifice.
God Bless You and God Bless America.
REMINDER: Everyday that you can wake up free, it's going to be a great day.
One thing I learned while on tour with my 8th grade students in DC that is not mentioned here is . . that if you look at the statue very closely and count the number of 'hands' raising the flag, there are 13. When the man who made the statue was asked why there were 13, he simply said the 13th hand was the hand of God.
Great story - worth your time - worth every American's time
 
God bless the greatest generation for their sacrifices.God bless all our military personnel.Without them, we are nothing.
 
06

Thank you for sharing a number of great stories there. And don't forget to thank a vet, because all gave some, some gave all.
 
That I find to be a heart warming narrative by the son of a true hero.



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God Bless America
 
Did the WWII vets keep the Japanese from invading and occupying America? Just curious. I didn't think it was at all logistically possible for a small island nation to invade and occupy anything but a bunch of minimally-populated, unarmed volcanic Pacific islands. Can someone who is a little more tactically-minded than myself tell me why I'm wrong, and how the WWII vets preserved the freedoms of the U.S?

-Sans Authoritas
 
You must have forgotten that whole invasion of China and Korea and that whole attempt on Australia and, oh yeah, the invasion of Alaska (albeit, a feint)...

You are wrong. Japan had no trouble invading continents. Did their plans involve invading the US mainland? Not in phase one. Did they mercilously kill American civilians? Yes, they did. Had Japan won, along with Germany, would the US have suffered? Yes, it would have.
Ash
 
No, you said "I didn't think it was at all logistically possible for a small island nation to invade and occupy anything but a bunch of minimally-populated, unarmed volcanic Pacific islands."

And so, you were wrong.

Ash
 
Ash, ah, true that. But the main jist the statement was, "Could they have occupied the United States?" And if not, how did the vets protect the rights of the U.S?

And do you suppose they could've occupied China and Burma for more than a few short years before overextending themselves in manpower and materials?

-Sans Authoritas
 
Alaska, the Philippines, Guam, Wake Island, the Marshal Islands, these were all US territories. US soil invaded by Japan. In addition, there was Hawaii and Midway, also US territories with US citizens. Or did they not count because they were not within the present 48 states?

Japan had occupied Korea for decades. Kampuchea for more than a decade. They occupied Singapore, Malaysia, most of industrialized China, Burma, the hundreds and hundreds of islands, all the while threatening to conquer even more. Once you have conquered, you can leave garrison troops while combat troops continue.

Could Japan have over-extended at some point? Of course. Had they by 1941? No. With the raw materials flowing into Japan, had the US not intervened, it would have been much worse. The only fully successful submarine campaign waged by the US, in addition to outright invasions of occupied islands while obliterating their surface fleet, forced the Japanese to contract.

But, then, have you forgotten the British Empire? Ruled from an island, yet the British owned Burma, India, portions of the Middle East, Australia, New Zealand, large portions of Africa, and a substantial number of islands in every ocean.

Ash
 
Occupying the US would have been difficult but had Japan succeeded in dominating all of Asia, an attempt at an occupation of the US would not have been far off. Could they have done it? I doubt it but what is your point? Should we not protect ourselves until the enemy is in our house?

We did not attack Japan. Remember the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor? You don't go up and slug the biggest SOB on the block and not expect a beat down.
 
Click, how many hundreds of thousands of men do you suppose the Japanese could have ferried across the Pacific and kept alive and supplied for over a couple of months?

-Sans Authoritas
 
San, that is beyond the scope of discussion and you will not distract me from that discussion. Or perhaps you would like to compare the treatment of the Philippines under US control versus Japanese control? Or of the peaceful transition to self-rule following WWII? Or even the peaceful withdrawal of US military bases at the request of the Philippines in the 1990's?

In any case, as I said, that has nothing to do with your question of Japan's capability. As to supply, do you not think that California had the means to supply? Oregon? Canada? Of course, it would have been tough because of US submarine success.

Ash
 
SA, how many men in arms did Japan have? How many conquered peoples could they have pressed into service and put on ships? With the limited military personnel stationed in the US, it would not have taken too many men to score a significant military victory. Could they have held it? I doubt it?
 
Ash, sure it does. Why do the individuals in the U.S. government have a right to interfere with what island the Japanese want to invade and which indiginous people they want to slaughter? Perhaps I would like to compare. Remember the Moros? The Japanese didn't interfere when U.S. troops were slaughtering and torturing people. Why did the U.S. feel it had a right?

-Sans Authoritas
 
It is beyond the scope of your question.

We were not torturing the Moros. Don't make up history. But, if you wish to discuss torture, ask a modern day Philippino what he or she thinks of the Japanese. I personally know several. I am even friends with several. Are you?

In any case, the Philippines, like Alaska, Wake, Guam, and Hawaii were US territory at the time. US soil and the native populations were under US protection. Some of these same populations suffered horribly under Japanese domination, far worse than any populations under the Nazi's. And many of these native populations are currently US citizens - some even live in US states, choosing themselves to become US states. Others chose to remain territories. Others still chose independence. In none of these cases did the US thwart their plans. Following WWII, the right of self-determination was extended to them.

Ash
 
SA, how many men in arms did Japan have?

1,700,000 in 1941. Do you honestly think that if by some logistical miracle, all of them were to hit California, that they could occupy it for over three months?

How many conquered peoples could they have pressed into service and put on ships?

What A) number of ships suitable for troop transport did they have B) that could not have been intercepted?

With the limited military personnel stationed in the US, it would not have taken too many men to score a significant military victory. Could they have held it? I doubt it?

Military personnel? You're forgetting the most dangerous people: citizens fighting on their own homeland.

No. Not only could they not have mounted a big enough invasion force, but whatever they did land would have been decimated.

-Sans Authoritas
 
YOU STILL FORGET CHINA. Larger population than the US, and Japan subdued them first before moving on.

And industrial output would have been directly affected with a mainland invasion, including ship building and repair as well as manufacturing. A strike to the mainland could have directly reduced our key strateigic advantage, which was industrial capacity and output. With airfields on the mainland, Japanese bombers could have fought even further into the country.

Ash
 
1,700,000 in 1941. Do you honestly think that if by some logistical miracle, all of them were to hit California, that they could occupy it for over three months?
I can't help but wonder what magical property you think California has that China didn't have.
 
It has been a long time since the US military fought a conflict where the individual freedoms of Americans were actually at stake.

Does that make the sacrifices of individual soldiers any less tragic or heroic? Absolutely not. Does it mean that the military hasn't fought the forces of some true despots? Nope.

The only direct beneficiaries of US military action for the last 100+ years have been the governments of the countries the US fought to protect - France, England, the USSR, South Korea, South Vietnam, Kuwait, etc.
 
Ash wrote:
We were not torturing the Moros. Don't make up history.

Really?

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/02/20/american-waterboardi.html
http://waterboarding.org/node/20
http://www.nokilling.org/bloodbrotherhood/bb2.htm
http://waterboarding.org/node/7

I suppose in a dark, Godless day when waterboarding isn't considered "torture," perhaps U.S. troops (indeed, not "we," as though we we as individuals consist of nothing more than some mere appendages of the U.S. government and its policies) didn't torture. I wonder what that photo depicts, however? And I wonder why the soldier who witnessed it called it "torture?"

But, if you wish to discuss torture, ask a modern day Philippino what he or she thinks of the Japanese. I personally know several. I am even friends with several. Are you?

I haven't had that good fortune. Unfortunately, those who survived the slaughter and torture in the Philippines in the period between 1899 and 1906 are all dead.

In any case, the Philippines, like Alaska, Wake, Guam, and Hawaii were US territory at the time. US soil and the native populations were under US protection. Some of these same populations suffered horribly under Japanese domination, far worse than any populations under the Nazi's. And many of these native populations are currently US citizens - some even live in US states, choosing themselves to become US states. Others chose to remain territories. Others still chose independence. In none of these cases did the US thwart their plans. Following WWII, the right of self-determination was extended to them.

In any case, they were not a part of "the United States."

-Sans Authoritas
 
Ian, thank you for your very accurate and honest post. But I do contend that one's cause, not merely fighting and dying, makes all the difference in the world when it comes to defining "heroic."

And as you pointed out, more than 98% of the soldiers who died in the past 150 years had absolutely nothing to do with actually protecting the individual rights of Americans.

-Sans Authoritas
 
I am not trying to stir the muck, but I do not think Japan could have occupied the US. But at that time Japan really did not know true defeat. To die in battle was everything. No mercy. So, the men and women of our country died fighting a enemy that would show no mercy to anyone that was not from Japan. They would have attacked any shipping, Islands, and small as their country is, had we not stopped them, could have actually tried to attack and occupy parts of mainland USA. It would have been short lived had they tried it, but how many could have died? Yes they died defending the USA and all of our freedoms. God bless them all.
 
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