Acceptable accuracy for a .357 carbine at 50 yds?

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I put a Williams peep sight on my 1894 when I bought it about 30 years ago and I can hit generic 12oz soda cans at 50 yards with every shot. I don't shoot much paper with any of my guns as I figure that is only for zeroing whatever method of sighting you have on a firearm. I shoot at a private range 90% of the time so I can use interesting target materials. Years ago the owner pulled a rather large pine tree up just past the 100 yard mark and we had a lot of fun shooting the branches off for a number of years.
This is the deal for most of us; bagging a gun is for getting a good zero, and/or checking on load performance. Actual shooting is more likely offhand, or with an impromptu rest.
Bagging a gun is the only way to really find out its capability. A late buddy was a determined 'shoot for group' guy, but also a fine field shot.
But hey, whatever floats your boat; bags or offhand, or one leading to the other.
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Oh, John, we're playing on the same page. :) Have your exact setup on a '73; the OEM barrel sight was in the way when trying to use the tang. I got a folding, open sight to replace it, and yes, it is great for really fast and nasty shots.
Also makes a useful backup, should you stumble and bugger the tang.
BTW, zeroed the midbarrel sight by simply looking through the tang, and lining it up. Pretty much spot on.
The Marbles is the way to go, rather than Lyman...the Marbles is adjustable for windage too.
The open sights aren't hard to find, but you will have to choose from (IIRC) three heights, though there is a range of adjustment for elevation.
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I have thought about putting a peep sight on my Henry, but I prefer to shoot it off hand and quickly as possible, so open sights is what I need to do that. But no doubt, me and my rifle would perform better with a rear aperture. Anytime I need accuracy without a scope, I go to my rifles with rear apertures and front globe sights. My M96 with Pramm sights is just unbelievably amazing even at 500yds.
 
I do most of my shooting offhand. I do shoot from field positions and the bench too, but mostly I practice offhand because it's more fun - more of a challenge. I certainly think that you should shoot from a bench to see what the gun and shooter are capable of, even every trip to the range, but I think if you don't spend at least as much time shooting offhand as done from the bench, then you'll never be even a decent offhand shot.
 
I do most of my shooting offhand. I do shoot from field positions and the bench too, but mostly I practice offhand because it's more fun - more of a challenge. I certainly think that you should shoot from a bench to see what the gun and shooter are capable of, even every trip to the range, but I think if you don't spend at least as much time shooting offhand as done from the bench, then you'll never be even a decent offhand shot.
Agreed. I have spent too much time just shooting from the bench. I am a good shot off hand with my Henry 357 carbine or Win 30-30 carbine since they are short and light but I am terrible with my milsurps and buffalo rifles. So, been trying to get better with those at 200-300 meters. BPCR silhouette is steel chickens at 200 yds and it is very difficult for me.
 
I went to the only LGS for 50 miles and they only had Hornady XTPs in 125gr and 158gr. The only other bullets they had for .38/.357 were the Nosler 158gr HPs. Guess I'll have to make do with 158gr for a while.
 
I went to the only LGS for 50 miles and they only had Hornady XTPs in 125gr and 158gr. The only other bullets they had for .38/.357 were the Nosler 158gr HPs. Guess I'll have to make do with 158gr for a while.
Nosler pistol bullets while plenty accurate will spit the jacket off pretty easy, if you're gonna hunt I'd rather use the Hornadyq.
 
I went to the only LGS for 50 miles and they only had Hornady XTPs in 125gr and 158gr. The only other bullets they had for .38/.357 were the Nosler 158gr HPs. Guess I'll have to make do with 158gr for a while.
You could always order some 180gr rnfp coated from Missouri Bullets. $58.00/500 ct. These are excellent bullets in .357 lever guns. .357 Striker Hi-Tek coated.
 
I have a 16" Rossi 92 in .357. With the factory buckhorns, I could barely hit a paper plate at 50 yards from a sandbag rest. I changed the sights to something I thought was better. This is a group after the swap. I am happy with it.

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At 50 yards with iron sights, from the bench, you should shoot groups this size with handloads.

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Methinks it is true, with some load development, or sampling a variety of commercial ammo, one should get a good group at 50 yards, with any rifle, and even crude sights, unless of course the rifle is truly defective, which is not usually the case. Shooting a few groups with two brands of ammo, or some random .38spl and .357 will not reveal much. Same thing with loading bullets, can't just choose one type of bullet, load it up, and expect the best. The group above not only shows accuracy, but also consistency. And not strung one way or the other. That didn't happen without some experimentation with bullets, primers and powders.
 
Resorted to buying online and bought some 180gr Hornady XTPs and new Starline brass. Also ordered a picatinny rail so I can mount a 4-12 scope for load development only.
I do not like a scope on a levergun, either for aesthetics or for use... but for load development it's very nice.
 
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