Accurate 45ACP pistol

[Sauer Grapes]

All 3 of my 3rd Gen. S&W's will do sub 3" groups @25yds. {5906,4006 and 4506}

 

[tensnxs]

Most pistols will shoot 2.5" to 3" groups at 25 yards. All the guns you listed will shoot that with the right ammo, on occasion. The trick is getting consistently small groups and that doesn't come cheap.

P220 is a good one. I've had 3 of them and all of them group under 2" consistently at 25 yards with good ammo. HK USP is another good one. I like the Expert/Elite/Tactical lines for the light trigger, O-ring barrel and trigger stop. here is a review I did on the Expert.

 

[nickn10]

Most pistols will shoot 2.5" to 3" groups at 25 yards. All the guns you listed will shoot that with the right ammo, on occasion. The trick is getting consistently small groups and that doesn't come cheap.

P220 is a good one. I've had 3 of them and all of them group under 2" consistently at 25 yards with good ammo. HK USP is another good one. I like the Expert/Elite/Tactical lines for the light trigger, O-ring barrel and trigger stop. here is a review I did on the Expert.

Very nice groups, I can only hope I get a pistol that does that. Gun show tomorrow, got my fingers crossed.

 

[gunfighter48]

The two most accurate pistols I've owned were a Kimber Pro Carry II and a STI Ranger II. The Kimber would do 5 shot groups of 1 1/4 inches at 45 Ft. The STI will do 1 1/2 inches at 45 FT. I have only been able to do this twice with the Kimber and once with the STI. Not the guns fault, I just don't shoot that well anymore. My average is 5 shot groups in to 3-5 inch groups at 45 Ft., when I do my part.

 

[ms6852]

Try the springfields gi models. Get a trigger job done and you will be in the ball park.

My real recommendation would be to save your $600 until you have saved enough to buy a better quality firearm.

 

[nickn10]

Well good folks I went to the Gun Show in Colorado Springs today (Sat 1/14). I was armed with the information I gleaned here. I took my Rugers, a P90, a 97 DC and an LC9 along with $600. I was looking for a Sig 220 and a 9mm, I just did not like the trigger on my LC9. Got lucky,(I think), I sold the LC9 and the P90. I came home with the 97 DC, $265 a Kahr CM9 NIB 9mm and a Sig P220 LNIB W/3 mags and night sights, are night sights stock? Thanks for all the input it really helped me decide.
Nick

 

[nathan]

Those Sig 1911 s are very accurate from most reviews.

 

[NoirFan]

The first centerfire I ever shot was a .45 ACP Beretta Cougar. I had NO pistol experience before that but the gun made it so easy. All I had to do was point my finger and .45 holes would appear wherever I wanted them to. I have never shot a more accurate or more naturally-pointing auto than that first Beretta Cougar.

 

[buddyemily]

I am a lefty and carry a Glock 30 sf. Great weapon and super accurate.

 

[gallo]

I fired 100 rounds of WWB through a borrowed G30 with a 10 round magazine. I was surprised how accurate it was and how little felt recoil it had. I must say the g30 was just as accurate in my hands as my XD9 and the recoil extremely manageable.

 

[Prosser]

HMMM. My experience with a Glock 30 is there are more accurate shotguns.

Nickn10:
Suspect you got some excellent guns at the show. Can't wait to hear your range reports. Sounds like you got 3 great guns, for great prices.

 

[Pilot]

My recently purchased Colt 1911's are very accurate out of the box and reliable. As menitioned, the HK's are nice too, especially the USP Tactical, the Elite, and Expert. My .45 Tactical is a soft shooter, very accurate, with a nice trigger. The CZ-97B is on my list as my next .45. You can't go wrong with any of these.

 

[Prosser]

I came home with the 97 DC, $265 a Kahr CM9 NIB 9mm and a Sig P220 LNIB W/3 mags and night sights, are night sights stock? Thanks for all the input it really helped me decide.
Nick

 

[jackpinesavages]

Got lucky,(I think), I sold the LC9 and the P90. I came home with the 97 DC, $265 a Kahr CM9 NIB 9mm and a Sig P220 LNIB W/3 mags and night sights, are night sights stock? Thanks for all the input it really helped me decide.
Nick

Congrats!!

 

[rellascout]

I keep chasing my tail trying to find an accurate, non custom, factory out of the box 45 ACP pistol. So far 1 Glock, 2 1911s, 2 Rugers. I'm looking for 2.5-3 inch grouping from the bench at 25 yds. I have a $600 budget and I'm a lefty.Years ago I had a Colt 1911 that did 1.5" 90% of the time, I never should have sold it! My buddies Les Baer ($1800 ) did 1" most of the time. Can't afford that.

So it sounds like you have a Glock & 2 1911s & 2 Rugers... Right?

If this is your goal you can get almost any 4.25" to 5" 45 ACP. The guns you already own unless there is an issues with them should be more than able to achieve 3" groups at 25 yards from a rest. If not there is something wrong with the gun. IMHO

If you lock them in a ransom rest they should be capable of shooting 3" to 4" groups at 50 yards. Which means that it should shoot 1.5" to 2" groups at 25 yards. This is not the case with ploy guns because of the flex in the frame but using a similar device you can get similar results from polys.

So the real answer that it is the Indian not the arrows/bow. If you cannot get those groups off a rest it has to do with your interaction with the gun not the gun itself. Before you drop $600 on another gun look at your interaction with the gun. It should be capable of what you are asking it to do.

If you are hell bent on another gun I would look at the RIA tactical match $579 + shipping & transfer

CZ 97B if it fits your hand. It is a huge gun in the grip area. They are hard to find and they will be a touch over $600 NIB.



A used Sig P220 would also do the trick...

 

[nickn10]

So it sounds like you have a Glock & 2 1911s & 2 Rugers... Right?

If this is your goal you can get almost any 4.25" to 5" 45 ACP. The guns you already own unless there is an issues with them should be more than able to achieve 3" groups at 25 yards from a rest. If not there is something wrong with the gun. IMHO

If you lock them in a ransom rest they should be capable of shooting 3" to 4" groups at 50 yards. Which means that it should shoot 1.5" to 2" groups at 25 yards. This is not the case with ploy guns because of the flex in the frame but using a similar device you can get similar results from polys.

So the real answer that it is the Indian not the arrows/bow. If you cannot get those groups off a rest it has to do with your interaction with the gun not the gun itself. Before you drop $600 on another gun look at your interaction with the gun. It should be capable of what you are asking it to do.

If you are hell bent on another gun I would look at the RIA tactical match $579 + shipping & transfer

CZ 97B if it fits your hand. It is a huge gun in the grip area. They are hard to find and they will be a touch over $600 NIB.



A used Sig P220 would also do the trick...

Actually the Glock and 1911s were guns that I once owned, I was refering to the Ruger P90 and 97DC that I was having trouble getting better groups with. I'm not happy with 5-6 groups at 25yds, OFF OF A REST. I know I can do better as a shooter as my XD-40 gets 2-3 inch groups all day long off of a rest at 25 yds and easily 3-4 inch groups off hand at 50 ft. I sold the P90 yesterday and picked ip a Sig p220. Not shot yet but I will soon, will post results.

 

[rellascout]

Actually the Glock and 1911s were guns that I once owned, I was refering to the Ruger P90 and 97DC that I was having trouble getting better groups with. I'm not happy with 5-6 groups at 25yds, OFF OF A REST. I know I can do better as a shooter as my XD-40 gets 2-3 inch groups all day long off of a rest at 25 yds and easily 3-4 inch groups off hand at 50 ft. I sold the P90 yesterday and picked ip a Sig p220. Not shot yet but I will soon, will post results.

OK that makes more sense. I should have said quality 4.25" to 5" 45 ACPs. The Ruger is an avg gun at best.

You should have better luck with the Sig.

 

[nickn10]

Much better

I took the, New to me, Sig 220 out to test fire it this morning. Shot about 30 mixed rounds, 230 ball, 200 LSWC,(both are factory el cheapo Magtech loads) and 200grn Rainier HP reloads. It didn't like the LSWC but it shot the Rainier 200grn HP 1.48" at 15yds off the hood of my truck (8 shots) that is much better than the Rugers 4-5" from 20 yds off of a sand bag rest. Now to find whatit really likes and I'll be thrilled.
Nick

 

[nearmiss]

I have a variety of 1911s, any of which would shoot that kind of group. This is from a sub (at the time anyway) $500 RIA Tac, from 10 and 25 yards (on a sandbag). If my eyes were today what they were ten years ago these groups would likely be tighter.

 

[Mr.Blue]

What is a 97DC? CZ 97BD (decocker)?

 

[Bnuggetz]

Wondering wjy he didnt try rhe ruger p345. You were using older ruger technology.

From the stars

 

[nickn10]

What is a 97DC? CZ 97BD (decocker)?

The 97DC is a Ruger .45, it is a discontinued model.

 

[nickn10]

Wondering wjy he didnt try rhe ruger p345. You were using older ruger technology.

From the stars

As much as I admire Ruger products, I still own a few, with the exception of thier MK-III they are not noted for fine accuracy. I just wanted a .45 ACP that was more accurate than I was capable of shooting. I felt that not being able to blame the gun would force me to become a better shot, that was my thinking. Owning a Sig P220 is not a bad thing.

 

[nickn10]

Sig used to guarantee 2" groups at 50 yards with their P210. The P220 was the successor to that pistol and is VERY accurate (especially the older models IMO). The new P210 is guaranteed to do ONE inch at 50 yards. Of course that pistol costs over $2000 but it's the same pistol essentially that they sold for about $700. It's not much different than their P220 either but there are some serious differences. Still Sig makes a VERY accurate pistol. I've shot 2" groups at 50 yards with mine. I bought it used for $550 but that was about 12 years ago. The price isn't that low now. But there are some of the old "Made In W. Germany" models still out there. They're cheaper and very accurate. Used isn't a problem for a gun like a Sig. They last a very long time. If they start getting old replacing a few springs will make a big difference.

That said there are other very nice shooting pistols around. The XDm's shoot very well. I have two friends who had 9mm models and I was very impressed with their accuracy so I had to buy one. I got one in .40 just because I wanted something that held a bunch of rounds. It shoots very accurate too. It's nearly as accurate as my Sig but not quite.

And I also have a Taurus PT145 that shoots very well out to 25 yards. It loses accuracy quickly after that though. I hit 2 .45 casings with just 2 shots at 20 yards one day. I tried to hit one at 25 yards but I kept missing but less than an inch for the rest of the 11 rounds I had loaded in the gun. For a gun with a < 3" barrel that's pretty dang good.

The truth is there are a LOT of accurate pistols around. If you have one that doesn't shoot 2" at 25 yards it either has a problem or you need to practice more. Not everyone is able to shoot a pistol that accurately. It's much harder than doing it with a rifle. I was lucky when it came to shooting pistols I guess. I've always been able to shoot them fairly well. That's not to say I'm special or better than other people. Believe me there are LOTS of things I can't do. We all have our talents.

With practice most people can shoot accurately though. There's no doubt about that. Trigger pull is very big on shooting pistols. It makes much more difference than on shooting a rifle.

That Sig P220 should easily do what you want. If it doesn't send it to Sig and let them tell you why it doesn't. They might even fix it for free.

I scored on a Made in Germany P-220 in LNIB condition this past week-end. I bought 1000 rainier 200grn HP bullets, I have Unique, Tightgroup, HP-38 and AA-5,powders. I should be able to find the load it likes best. Of course with all of the possible combinations I can only hope.
Nick

 

[tuj]

STI Spartan. Accurate out of the box, costs $600.