ACLU and Heller

[TexasRifleman]

OK that's the funniest joke I've heard in a very long time.... LOL

 

[tuckerdog1]

Ginsburg worked with the ACLU for about 7 yrs. One of the 4 that got it WRONG.

Big surprise.

Tuckerdog1

 

[shdwfx]

constitutional straitjacket

Their choice of words describing the Constitution and it's role tells you everything you need to know about the ACLU.

For them, the Constitution is a tool when it suits their purposes,
but is merely an obstacle to circumvent when it contradicts their agenda.

 

[cracked butt]

The 2nd amendment doesn't fit into the anti-American agenda of the ACLU.

 

[RNB65]

Nothing new here. The ACLU has always treated the 2A as if the Bill of Rights only consists of 9 amendments. The RKBA is not a civil liberty they've ever been willing to defend.

 

[rainbowbob]

The above statement doesn't look promising - what do you think?

Here is what I think:

They believe the Court "reinterpreted" the 2A? That should tell you everything you need to know about the ACLU's stance on an individual's right to posses a firearm. On this issue they are clearly NOT on the side of the protection of our constututional rights. My advice to every ACLU member that owns a firearm is to burn your membership card and send them the ashes with a note explaining why.

 

[torpid]

The ACLU has great potential, but apparently is in dire need of an organization-wide enema.

 

[Sun195]

I also wondered about this issue. ACLU has always claimed to defend individual rights, and since they didn't believe the 2nd was an individual right, they didn't see a need to defend it. Now that the Court has clearly affirmed (not reinterpreted, not granted) this is, in fact, an individual right, it would be nice if ACLU stepped up to defend it on a principled basis. After all, ACLU has defended a number of other people/groups/issues on the principle of the matter, regardless of whether they agreed with them, so why should this be any different?

But, I already know their answer to this (no), so it's purely an academic question.

 

[Siderite]

You can find their official "neutral" stance here: http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14523res20020304.html

It doesn't appear to have been updated in light of Heller.

 

[torpid]

...In Heller, the Court [FAIL]reinterpreted the Second Amendment[/FAIL] as a source of individual rights. Washington D.C.'s gun control law, which bans the private possession of handguns and was widely considered the most restrictive such law in the country, became a [FAIL]victim[/FAIL] of that reinterpretation.

The Court was careful to note that the right to bear arms is not absolute and can be subject to reasonable regulation. Yet, by concluding that D.C.'s gun control law was unreasonable and thus invalid, the Court [FAIL]placed a constitutional limit on gun control legislation that had not existed prior to its decision in Heller[/FAIL]. It is too early to know how much of a [EPICFAIL]constitutional straitjacket[/EPICFAIL] the new rule will create.

 

[lefteye]

The correct name of the organization is

American we get to choose your Civil Liberties Union

 

[Joe Cool]

Work from within if you can, take a liberal (ACLU member) to the range with you!
I did that and now there's one less uninformed individual who actually had some fun shooting and learned a few things...

 

[Poor East Texan]

The ACLU is only "good" on what they believe in.

I don't believe most of the same things!

 

[Snapping Twig]

FWIW, the ACLU is the new name of the orginization formerly known as the...

American Communist League.

Don't believe me, look it up.

They only changed the name.

 

[alsaqr]

Nope. It's dominated by leftist extremists. Has been for decades

#1

 

[willbrink]

"what do you think?"

What is there to think other than what we know: the ACLU is run mostly by anti gun anti 2A lawyers willing to ignore the facts, reality, history, case law, and now the Supreme Court, because they don't like the outcome. Ergo, business as usual at the ACLU.

 

[Hardware]

I only support political action organizations that believe in all 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights. Therefore, not one red cent of my money will go to support the ACLU.

 

[22-rimfire]

Their summary and interpretation of the ruling is all I need to know about the ACLU. Not interested in their opinions.

The Court was careful to note that the right to bear arms is not absolute and can be subject to reasonable regulation. Yet, by concluding that D.C.'s gun control law was unreasonable and thus invalid, the Court placed a constitutional limit on gun control legislation that had not existed prior to its decision in Heller. It is too early to know how much of a constitutional straitjacket the new rule will create.

reasonable regulation... I have grown comfortable with the NICs check and the Federal form. There needs to no other regulation.

That YET and straitjacket are significant in their interpretation. Shows their colors.

 

[scrat]

The correct name of the organization is

American we get to choose your Civil Liberties Union

hahahahahaha


so true so true

also known as the flavor of the month and what is hip to get people support

 

[.cheese.]

FWIW, the ACLU is the new name of the orginization formerly known as the...

American Communist League.

Don't believe me, look it up.

They only changed the name.

Cite? I looked it up and found multiple unreliable sources that mentioned various names similar to that. "American Communist League Union" ... "American Communist Lawyer's Union" ..... "American Communist Leadership Union" etc.

Wikipedia's article doesn't mention it, but that doesn't mean it isn't true. The ACLU themselves could very well have removed that from the entry.

If it's true, I would love to know - provide me with a reliable cite and I will absolutely ask the people I still keep in contact with at the ACLU about it. I just need a reliable cite, otherwise I'm going to look like an ass.

For the moment, I'm going to lean towards either "urban legend" or you're just pulling our leg.... but haven't totally tossed it out as impossible.

 

[Piedmont Plinker]

I say the ACLU are racists and anti-Christian who are going to destroy our country through political correctness.
They don't support the Second- the Second could be used to stop murderers and terrorists, though.
Oh, wait...

 

[bdickens]

One judges a man by the company he keeps.

The ACLU supports child pornographers, pedophiles, rapists and terrorists.

Make your own decision.

 

[Rachen]

ACLU supports our 2nd Amendment rights as much as American Hunters and Shooters Association supports our 2nd Amendment rights...Yeah, sure

 

[romma]

What a terrible statement by the ACLU! Already they are trying to re-interpret they way the ruling was put and diminish its meaning.

Once it was affirmed an individual right, there can be no turning back in my mind.

And it certainly is absolute in the sense that right to defense is endowed to every American...

The ACLU!

 

[.cheese.]

One judges a man by the company he keeps.

And a wise man keeps his friends close and his enemies closer.... so therefore if one consistently judged the wise by the company they keep, he would be sadly and repeatedly mistaken. Any man is liable to err, but only a fool persists in error.

Strategy is what will win us this war, we cannot afford to simply turn the other way when confronted with those who disagree with our respect for true freedom. Therefore, just as many of us subscribe the Brady mailing list, I keep in contact with those whom I know at the ACLU.