ACLU Brings Case in favour of Greencard Holder for CHL

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Wow, my hat is off to the ACLU of South Dakota. I have always criticized the ACLU for being a group that purports to be pro-liberty, but ends up slicing liberty up into the part it supports and the part it doesn't. They are big on privacy rights and the right to be free from unjustified searches/seizures, etc., but they have not been big supporters of economic freedom or the right to self defense. It is good to hear that this may be changing a little bit, at least in one state. It would be great if they would be consistent on their protection of privacy and joing some of these suits against obamacare, too.

Unfortunately, I now have to add the GOA to the category of organizations that are inconsistent in their defense of liberty.

I guess when it comes to the issue of prohibiting gun ownership to non-citizens, the question is whether liberty is natural, inalienable, and inherent in all individuals; or whether it is something that those in power may choose to grant to those whom they see fit.
 
Joe in fla said:
My point is that we in the US need to decide how to handle this issue ourselves and it should not based on what other countries allow or don't allow.
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Oh I understand, I merely used the hunting example as one of the many possible unintended consequences of silliness like this.
 
Firearms being necessary to the personal defense and the teeth that protect self determination of free peoples everywhere....

I think anyone in the world should be able to own 'em ;)
 
NO guns for non US citizens. NO matter what color there card is
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VERY closed minded and bigoted IMO................

remember, this country is a Republic and not a Democracy - and as much as I dislike many of the views the ACLU takes, they are fighting for the rights dealing with the rule of law versus democratic mob rule........the rights of ONE outweigh the opinions of many
 
Thought I'd chime in here as a green carder, and a Brit. I live in Washington State and have my CPL as it's called here. It wasn't that long ago the state decided to quit issuing Alien Firearms Licenses because of some issue with the Feds right after 911. This caused quite a stir since once that expired we were now overnight criminals, unless we forked over the hardware. Anyway, the NRA pushed the issue hard and Washington eliminated the AFL requirement.

So now I see this story about SD, a state I recently returned from a pheasant hunting trip, and I see the same sort of restrictions we went through here. Not as draconian, but restrictive nonetheless.

The SD news may be a catalyst, I can't deny that, but I've been lazy for too long. My N-400 has been submitted, I hope to become a naturalized citizen this year.
 
Welcome bikemutt! I think I've seen you on another forum. I had a Brit for a roommate in Iraq. He was an absolute RIOT! I had so much fun listening to him! If you are ever up the Whidbey Island way, let me know, we'll go to the range!
 
Thanks NavyLT, maybe on the opencarry forum?

Anyway, I'd be all over some range time on Widbey Is.

Once the moral-raising beatings at work back off a bit, I'll dial it in. I know where to find you :D
 
So now I see this story about SD, a state I recently returned from a pheasant hunting trip.....
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Bikemutt, I did some pheasant hunting in Vermillion a bunch of years ago. Off topic, but back then the birds were going by way of Nebraska and thinning out. Maybe that's turned around - for your sake I hope so.
 
Wishin, part of the problem with hunting pheasant in the Vermilion area is that simply isn't the prime area of the state.....South Central south Dakota and central South Dakota offer much more in the way of good hunting, with the added bonus of also being able to hunt sharp-tails and prairie chickens. Think more in terms of Winner and Pierre instead of Vermilion, and chances are the hunting will be much better
 
NO guns for non US citizens. NO matter what color there card is.
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My wife isn't a citizen. She carries a gun and you wouldn't want to try and take it away from her. Of course, in Alaska she doesn't need a CHL.
 
Back in the day when I was lot younger and a green card holder, the Selective Service, aka draft, was in full force and I was required to register. If I could carry a draft card and be called on to defend my adopted country back then, then it's my opinion that I should be able to carry a CHL and defend myself and my family now. Of course the point is moot for me since I have been a citizen for over 40 years and have my CHL.
 
cowpoke, the Bill of Rights is a package of HUMAN rights. We merely happen to be the only nation which has them codified into our primary controlling document.

The only rights which in my opinion should NOT be open to a non-citizen are of voting and of feeding from the public trough. And I don't include educational scholarships in "public trough".
 
I support the right of any law-abiding person to have the means and legal right to defend themselves. Our school systems are cranking out anti-gun minded people by the droves. Why not import as many like minded people as possible.
 
"Bikemutt, I did some pheasant hunting in Vermillion a bunch of years ago. Off topic, but back then the birds were going by way of Nebraska and thinning out. Maybe that's turned around - for your sake I hope so. "

This trip was to Aberdeen, SD. It was my first time there, an invited guest of my cousin. I've never bird hunted this way before and while it was a fun, fruitful trip, it's not really my cup of tea.

12 guns, 3 days, 367 roosters.

I didn't bring my dog since I don't trust airlines to handle them with the care I believe they deserve. I think it would have been much more enjoyable had she been with me.

Next season I think I will take time off and drive to western SD with a hunting buddy and our dogs, maybe hunt Idaho and Montana on the way.

I have to say though, it is nice to have the freezer stocked up with some fine SD pheasants, we gratefully enjoyed one just last evening.
 
12 guns, 3 days, 367 roosters........I have to say though, it is nice to have the freezer stocked up with some fine SD pheasants, we gratefully enjoyed one just last evening.
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That's not too shabby! Good hunt by many accounts.
 
IMO people who are here legally, whether citizens or not, should have the right to defend themselves outside of the home. If you can own a gun as a non-U.S. citizen, you should be allowed to carry it too.
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NO guns for non US citizens. NO matter what color there card is.
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Begs the question, If self defense is a natural right endowed by our creator why is it ok to deny that right to ANYONE? Or, do you believe that the right is granted by the government, and therefore removable by that government? Think about it.
 
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Begs the question, If self defense is a natural right endowed by our creator why is it ok to deny that right to ANYONE? Or, do you believe that the right is granted by the government, and therefore removable by that government? Think about it.
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Would you at least concede to known violent felons not having gun rights?
 
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