ACOG Mount Question

[zstephens13]

Right now I have a decent 3-12x power scope on my RRA LAR-8.
I want to turn it into an all around utilitarian rifle that will be good for everything. I don't trust the ruggedness or durability of my current optic.
I'm going to take the plunge and get a Trijicon ACOG. With the websites handy product I chose the TA33R-9. I only have two questions about the optic.

1. On the webpage http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product3.php?pid=TA33R-9 it shows a picture of the reticle. Does the reticle actually have that silhouette outline, or is that just to show what it looks like?

2. The TA60 Flattop mount- is that about the same height of 1.5" rings with a scope. That height works for me and I don't want it to be too high.

Thanks for you help.

If you have pictures of your ACOG's, feel free to show me.

 

[plunge]

doesnt have the silhouette, just the bullet drop lines and the trident

 

[zstephens13]

Rog on that. Thanks plunge. I figured that, but I'd hate to be proven wrong after $1000.

 

[plunge]

here's a pic of "MY" M4 with ACOG. it's only mine for about 2 more months then i go back to the states

 

[plunge]

dont know why the pic was so small or sideways. oh well

 

[henschman]

No, the reticle doesn't have the silhouette in it. Just the chevron and stadia lines.

As for the height, it is designed specifically for AR flat-tops, so it should be good to go. As for how high it is compared to a scope in 1.5" rings, I'm not sure. All flat-top ACOGs are a perfect height for me. The ones that mount on the carry handle are a little high though.

One thing you might consider... the TA33 is lightweight, has a nice long eye relief, and is cheaper than other ACOGS, but it has a very narrow field of view. I found it annoying to shoot when I shot someone else's. For just a little bit more you could get a TA11, which is pretty much perfect. It still has a pretty forgiving eye relief, and has a much wider FOV. Its BDC also goes out to 800m instead of 600. The TA31 (the one that the military uses) is pretty good too, though it has a shorter eye relief than the TA11.

Personally on my .308, I have the TA55. It costs a bit more and is a bit longer and heavier, but I really like the extra bit of magnification over a 3 or 4x. It makes the rangefinding reticle easier to use. It is still great at close range using the bindon aiming concept method.

 

[TonyAngel]

If you have your heart set on the ACOG, then the TA33 is a nice model, but the narrow field of view mentioned is no joke. It's pretty darned narrow. I don't know that this will make a difference to you though.

The ACOG looks to be a nice combat optic, but if having a combat ready rifle isn't necessarily your concern and want to keep the rifle flexible, I'd look for a more conventional scope. My favorite general purpose optic is a 2.5-10X32 Nightforce. Good glass and very robust build.

I've tried more than a few ACOGs of the 3 and 4X variety and wound up selling them all in favor of more conventional optics for their flexibility; although I do still run a 1.5X ACOG on my carbine.

 

[zstephens13]

Ok. I was using Trijicon's website to compare 3 products so tell me what you think of each.

TA33R-9
TA11J-308
TA11E

I think the TA11J-308 is now kinda what I'm leaning towards. I like the crosshair reticle.

 

[spleify]

I went with the TA31 and love it, I just wish the eye relief was a little better

Here it is after I painted it

 

[zstephens13]

How are you going to use the iron sights with that set up?

 

[38SuperMan]

Here is my HK MR556 with an ACOG.

 

[Zerodefect]

You'll need a QR mount. I like this 33 better:
http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=354

But my favorites are the old school original ACOGS like the TA11. I prefer the 1-4x Trijicon Accupoints and Nightforce scopes now over ACOGS. ACOGS are quite specialized for a specific role, but if that exact role suits you, then you're golden.

 

[henschman]

The TA11-J308 would be an excellent choice.

 

[Zak Smith]

That's a novel way to mount BUIS..

 

[zstephens13]

Yeah, that's what I thought.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Here it is after I painted it

Is it still taped up or did you paint the fiber optic tube on the ACOG?

 

[sansone]

here's a pic of "MY" M4 with ACOG. it's only mine for about 2 more months then i go back to the states

thank you for your service

 

[TonyAngel]

I always get the TA11 and TA31 confused. One has a pretty short eye relief that makes awkward positions difficult and the other is very functional for the average joe. Based on spleify's comment, I believe that the TA11 is the one that is the way to go.

If this will be your first ACOG, I would suggest that you try to get your hands on one to try out before you buy one. I'm not knocking the ACOG. It's a solid piece of gear and requires no fuss to keep it in working order, but for the average guy, it may not be as useful or flexible as a more conventional optic.

I'll admit that the sight has a high "cool" factor and is bullet proof, but I know lots of guys that got them and, after the newness wore off, found that they didn't fit their needs very well. I've bought several and wound up with a Nightforce in the end. That little learning experience cost me about $1K losses buying ACOGs and selling them.