ACOG saves Marine's life in unexpected way

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First, here's an older Rifle Country thread about the Marines and the ACOG:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78053


And here's a link to yesterday's USMC article:

http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf/main5/58B5D880417C402F85256F4000433286?opendocument

The picture will surely give one pause...

In case you can't get to .mil addresses, here's the article...interestingly, the ACOG was a gift from the Marine's father just before he deployed. What a cool dad!

CAMP BAHARIA, Iraq (Nov. 1, 2004) -- A rifle-mounted scope designed to enhance enemy visibility on the battlefield saved the life of a Marine during a Sept. 17 firefight on the outskirts of Fallujah, but not the way intended.

Sgt. Todd B. Bowers, a member of the 4th Civil Affairs Group, I Marine Expeditionary Force, spotted enemy snipers during a security patrol outside the restive town of Fallujah. While returning fire, a sniper-fired round hit Bowers’ advanced combat optical gun site, mounted on his M-16A2 service rifle. Fragmentation from both the ACOG and the bullet were peppered across the left side of Bowers’ face.

“It was about a four-hour firefight. Bullets were flying everywhere, and as I returned fire, it felt like my weapon blew up,†said Bowers, 25, a native of Washington, D.C.

A Navy corpsman removed a piece of fragmentation and applied a pressure dressing to his left cheek.

As the corpsman began calling for a medical evacuation, Bowers refused and kept on fighting alongside his fellow Marines.

“After he was cleaned up, I knew he would be okay, but I was surprised that he didn’t want to leave on a medical evacuation,†said Sgt. Jung Kil Yoo, a member of 4th CAG.

Small pieces of fragmentation can still be seen on the left side of his face.

“Luckily, I had my ballistic goggles on to protect my eyes, without them I probably would not be able to see out of my left eye,†said Bowers.

He can still see the bullet lodged in his scope, which was given to him by his father, John Bowers, two days before leaving to Iraq.

“The last time I saw my dad was the day he handed me the scope,†said Bowers.

His dad was a former sergeant in the Marine Corps, who didn’t want to see his son go into combat without a useful piece of gear.

“The ACOG was the best purchase I have ever made in my life,†said John to his son during a phone conversation.

Bowers’ heroism and loyalty to his unit impressed even those who knew him well.

“I knew he was a good Marine,†said Yoo, 28, a native of Neptune, N.J. “Where some would freeze up, he stood his ground and continued to press forward.â€

“Sgt. Bowers was able to keep a cool head about the whole situation,†said Lance Cpl. James J. Vooris, 20, a native of Albany, N.Y., and a combat photographer with Headquarters Company, Regimental Combat Team 1.

With all that was going on around him, Bowers did not have time to stop and think about what happened.

“I didn’t realize how lucky I was till later that day when I sat down to think about it,†said Bowers.

As a constant reminder of how the scope possibly saved his life, Bowers plans to keep the scope and mount it on his mantel when he returns home.

“It’s (the bullet) there and I am glad it stayed there,†said Bowers as he pointed to his ACOG still mounted to his weapon.

Bowers, who has been in Iraq since August, is currently serving a seven-month deployment, his second tour in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom.
 
Holy smokes! I served with Bowers last year in Iraq! Wow, what a story! Glad he's ok!
 
ACOGs are sturdy, but the center is a prism, so solid glass. I am not suprised the bullet stopped inside.

I am sorta suprised and annoyed it blew up that badly. The army is starting to look into how devices fail, to recuce secondary projectiles, like the scope bits in this guy's head.


Oh, and anyone who doesn't think they might need to toss their optics and go to backups in a hurry, send them this article. There isn't an optic tougher than this one. He presumably used the irons under it for the rest of the fight.
 
Holy smokes! I served with Bowers last year in Iraq! Wow, what a story! Glad he's ok!

Whoa...small world!

I am sorta suprised and annoyed it blew up that badly. The army is starting to look into how devices fail, to recuce secondary projectiles, like the scope bits in this guy's head.

I tend to think all bets are off if your scope gets hit with a rifle round.. ;) Good thing he had his goggles on!
 
That's awesome. I am glad he is okay. I am surprised they didn't dispose of the scope though with the tritium being radiactive(the ACOG instructions say to properly dispose if it gets badly damaged) I hope he gets to keep it though. I hope he makes it home safe with the rest of our guys.
 
I wonder if this is covered by the warranty.
I'll betcha Trijicon would replace it in a heartbeat in exchange for his story.

IMO, ACOGs are the top of the line scope for a battlerifle. Unfortunately, that is reflected in their price. They are also very hard to find these days.
 
I bought one of those for my best buddy Joe as he could not get one after he got there. I had a heck of a time finding one as well. Thanks SWFA! I'll have to send him that pic! I hope he does not need his to provide the same "protection".
Thanks for the link.
Mike
 
Holey ????, I am going to buy an ACOG *RIGHT NOW!*

Glad he made it out largely allright.

Dad's gotta be feeling pretty f-ing good right about now too!


I wonder if this is covered by the warranty.

You know, I'd damn well bet this unit's warranty would be honored! Infact, I porpose Trijicon send him a replacement or three immediately at all speed.
 
The ACOG has built-in AR-type iron sights (albeit VERY SHORT RADIUS ones) right on top of the ACOG precisely for a situation like this. If he couldn't dismount the scope right then, a very high cheekweld would have let him use the sights on top of the scope for short range (under 100 yards) stuff.
 
Saved his life? Probably not.

No Mr. Murphy, the ACOG being used by the Marine was not a TA01NSN and it did NOT have any iron sights on top of it. Did you look at the picture? Besides, the TA01NSN's iron sights are a joke. They are so crude so as to be more of a hinderance than a functioning set of sights. Folks have trouble hitting human-sized silhouettes at 25 yards with the iron sights on top of the NSN models.

What the marine would have used, if he was firing his weapon sighted, was his original iron sights. The handle mounted ACOG has a hole in the mount to all the iron sights to be used. This is far from ideal, but a lot better than using ACOG iron sights. When using the hole through the mount, a tremendous amount of the field of view is lost because the hole in the mount creates tunnel vision. On top of that, because it is a tunnel, light transmission through to the eye is reduced.

I don't understand why it is assumed that just because the ACOG was shot that the ACOG saved the marine from that shot. I would suggest it did not.

Check the angle of the hole and note that he suffered wounds on the left side of his face from shrapnel. The marine was undoubtedly aiming the gun in a right-handed position with his right cheek welded against the gun and left cheek exposed. The round entered on the left side of the ACOG and sprayed shrapnel into his face on the left side. So, the ACOG actually helped cause the injuries he suffered.

Did the ACOG save him? NOPE. Had the scope not been present, the round would simply have passed by his face at a diagonal and would have continued in a direction to his right and behind him. His face would have been BEHIND the iron sights, well out of the bullet's path. The ACOG is a tough scope, no doubt, but being as the bullet was not actually heading directly into the marine, it did not save his life...just like the bullet proof limo didn't save Reagan's life and actually resulted in his being shot as the round that impacted him first ricocheted off the door.

If anyone was saved by the ACOG, it would have been one of the marine's buddies had that buddy been immediately to his right or located somewhere to the right and behind the marine.

You gotta love the story. Just how does anyone know that the ACOG was hit by a sniper? Sure, they may have been fired on by snipers, but if they were in a four hour firefight with bullets flying everywhere, as noted in the story. More than likely the round was NOT fired by a sniper.

Nice little patriotic story, but also propaganda. The information simply does not add up. I am sort of surprised nobody else was picking up on this.

And no, this sort of damage is NOT covered under warranty from Trijicon. Their warranty is for parts and labor and this damage to the scope was neither. If Trijicon replaces it, it will be because of the press associated with the event and no doubt they will make it known that they gave the marine a new scope and in exchance, will get to use the marine's story and publish pictures of the damaged scope.

As for the surprise noted about the scope stopping an incoming round, quite likely a 7.62x39 as noted, there is no real surprise. I have no idea what round impacted the scope. Given enough distance, velocity will bleed off and the round will loose much of its power, even for a 7.62x39. Since we don't know the caliber, it very well could have been pistol caliber.
 
Mader recalled a time when he was receiving enemy fire but could not tell where the rounds were coming. With his eyes alone, he saw a man more than 800 yards in front of him but did not know if the man was carrying a rifle. Using the ACOG, Mader could see an AK-47 in the man's hands, so the Marine immediately eradicated the threat.

How can you see someone 800 yards away with plain eyes?:scrutiny: :scrutiny:

"More than" typically means "around"....

800x3=2400-> Half a mile. :eek:
 
Obviously (from the picture) the ACOG didn't save the soldier's life, since the bullet impacted from the side. That doesn't mean it ain't a darn good scope. :p ;)
 
Did the ACOG save him? NOPE. Had the scope not been present, the round would simply have passed by his face at a diagonal and would have continued in a direction to his right and behind him. His face would have been BEHIND the iron sights, well out of the bullet's path.

I can not say that it saved him or not but your ability to deduce the angle and path of the bullet both with and without that scope is amazing.
That is no small amount of skill you've shared.

Mike
 
Mike,
Simple. Look at the picture.

The incoming shot impacted the side of the scope. Had the shot come from the direct front, it would have impacted the front of the scope. It did not impact at the front and so the shot came from somewhere off to the marine's left side, but no doubt left and forward of the marine.

The shot had to have come in at enough of an angle to miss the forward optic bulge of the front optic. If it had come in at a very acute angle, but large enough to miss the bulge, it would have glanced off and gone toward the marine's face/head. It did not glance off as indicated by the penetration. So the incoming angle wasn't that acute.

As noted, his right cheek would be against the stock, hence the splatter on the left side of his face, the left side where the round entered the scope. Since the scope stopped a round coming from the left and since the marine was not on the right side of his gun behind where the round impacted, the scope did not provide a shield for him. Both the marine and the incoming round were on the left side of the gun. The shot would have missed him, passing forward of his face, had pieces of shrapnel not impacted his face. The scope's position and incoming round resulted in the injury to the soldier that would not have occurred had the scope not been there.

It all just comes down to a little geometry and physics.

Mike, how else would you interpret the damaged scope and injury to the soldier. At what angle could the round have come in and the scope preclude the round from striking the marine given the round came in at a wide enough angle to miss the front optic, miss the bulge, not glance off, and penetrate on the left side? Just where would the marine have been struck had the scope not been there? It ain't rocket science.
 
Mike, how else would you interpret the damaged scope and injury to the soldier.

I wouldn't even try from that one picture.

I was only teasing you. :p If your skills are such that you can reach that conclusion from that photo and story, terrific.

Simple me, I am more in tune with the "what a nice story" crowd.

Good job.

Mike
 
DNS's evaluation assumes he was right handed and was returning fire, nose to charging handle

Fragmentation from both the ACOG and the bullet were peppered across the left side of Bowers’ face.
 
How can you see someone 800 yards away with plain eyes?

It's easy, open your eyes. It's much easier when A) it's daytime and B) there's nothing between you and the person you're observing. (BTW, that's my sarcastic answer. Don't be offended.)

Half a mile isn't that great of a distance to be able to pick up a 6', 150-200 lb person, as long as you have a clear field of view, with little or no clutter around the target. Now, if that person is standing in a treeline or actually making a good attempt at concealing themselves, it will obviously be more difficult.
 
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